Thursday, May 7th 2020

AMD B550 Chipset Detailed, It's Ready for Zen 3, Older AM4 Motherboards not Compatible

In their briefing leading up to today's Ryzen 3 3100 and 3300X review embargo, AMD disclosed that its upcoming "Zen 3" 4th generation Ryzen desktop processors will only support AMD 500-series (or later) chipsets. The next-gen processors will not work with older 400-series or 300-series chipsets. This comes as a blow to those who bought premium X470 motherboards hoping for latest CPU compatibility running into 2020. At this time only B550 is available, but we expect more news on enthusiast chipsets as the Zen 3 launch date comes closer. AMD B550 is a fascinating new mid-range chipset by AMD. Launching today as a successor to the popular B450 chipset, B550 is a low-power silicon with roughly the same 5-7 W TDP as the older 400-series chipset. Although AMD won't confirm it, it's likely that the chipset is sourced from ASMedia. It brings a lot to the table that could draw buyers away from B450, but it also takes some away.

The AMD B550 currently only supports 3rd generation Ryzen "Matisse" processors. Ryzen 3000 "Picasso" APU are not supported. What's more, older Ryzen 2000 "Pinnacle Ridge," "Raven Ridge," and first gen Ryzen 1000 "Summit Ridge" aren't supported, either. The Athlon 200 and 3000 "Zen" based chips miss out, too. AMD argues that it ran into ROM size limitations when trying to cram AGESA microcode for all the older processors. We find that hard to believe because B450 motherboards with the latest ComboAM4 AGESA support 2nd gen and 3rd gen processors, including APUs and Athlon SKUs based on the two. On the bright side, AMD assured us (within its marketing slides for the B550), that the chipset will support upcoming processors based on the "Zen 3" microarchitecture. The company also came up with a new motherboard packaging label that clarifies that the processors won't work with the 3400G and 3200G.
AMD B550 chipset highlights AMD B550 processor support AMD B550 vs B450
AMD B550 motherboards will feature partial PCI-Express gen 4.0 support. The main PCI-Express x16 slot, and one of the M.2 NVMe slots that are wired to the "Matisse" processor will be PCI-Express gen 4.0, however, all downstream PCIe lanes put out by the B550 chipset are gen 3.0. This is still a step up from 400-series "Promontory" chipsets, which are limited to gen 2.0. B550 puts out eight PCIe gen 3.0 lanes, which combine with the 20 usable processor lanes from "Matisse" to take the platform's total PCIe budget to 28 lanes (x16 gen 4.0 + x4 gen 4.0 + x8 gen 3.0). The B550 chipset itself connects to the "Matisse" processor via a PCI-Express 3.0 x4 connection.

In terms of connectivity, AMD's B550 chipset puts out up to six SATA 6 Gbps ports with AHCI and RAID capability; two each of 10 Gbps USB 3.2 gen 2 and 5 Gbps USB 3.2 gen 1 ports; and six USB 2.0 ports. PCIe, SATA, and USB connectivity from the "Matisse" processor is unchanged: four 10 Gbps USB 3.2 gen 2 ports, and up to two SATA 6 Gbps ports.
AMD B550 platform layout
The processor includes a PCI-Express 4.0 x16 PEG connection that can be split between slots. AMD is allowing motherboard designers to have multi-GPU capability with the B550, where the x16 PEG link is split between two x16 slots (electrical x8). Previously this capability was limited to the top-tier X370 and X470 boards. The processor also puts out one PCI-Express 4.0 x4 link meant to drive one M.2 NVMe slot or U.2 NVMe port. Every B550 motherboard we've seen so far features one M.2 PCIe gen 4.0 x4 (64 Gbps) slot.
AMD B550 motherboards
As with both its predecessors, the B350 and B450, the new B550 chipset enables full multiplier-based CPU overclocking, along with broad memory overclocking support. Motherboard designers are at liberty to kit out the B550 with the most elaborate CPU VRM solutions. Expect some of the pricier B550 boards to match their X570 counterparts in overclocking capability.

Motherboards based on the AMD B550 chipset are expected to launch on June 16, 2020. Prices start at $100, according to AMD.
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434 Comments on AMD B550 Chipset Detailed, It's Ready for Zen 3, Older AM4 Motherboards not Compatible

#351
medi01
MakaveliCorrect why does your opinon matter when you don't even own a AM4 board. The decision made by AMD doesn't affect you at all.

The only users that have a legit bone to pick here are AM4 users on boards that are not supported.
You don't need to own something from a company, to figure its practices are shitty.
Like in this case, when AMD hinted and explicitly stated something, which it failed to support.

If you have a problem with that, it might help to a bathroom and repeat "it's fine, if people disagree with me" 100 times.
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#352
Octopuss
TheLostSwedeFrom what I've been told, there is no X670.

Also, if those board images are of actual B550 boards, there's going to be sooooooooo much consumer confusion, as half of the slots are never going to be usable, based on the PCIe lane count of the platform. I think this is a poorly done job by the board makers.
What the hell, really? Half the reason I haven't upgraded to Zen2 was this chipset and the fucking fans on it. I hoped whatever refresh might come out, they would design in better to get rid of this.
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#353
TheLostSwede
News Editor
OctopussWhat the hell, really? Half the reason I haven't upgraded to Zen2 was this chipset and the fucking fans on it. I hoped whatever refresh might come out, they would design in better to get rid of this.
It's not a design issue, it's a production node issue if anything. Move to smaller node might solve that, as it should bring the thermals down.
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#354
Makaveli
medi01You don't need to own something from a company, to figure its practices are shitty.
Like in this case, when AMD hinted and explicitly stated something, which it failed to support.

If you have a problem with that, it might help to a bathroom and repeat "it's fine, if people disagree with me" 100 times.
No you don't need to own it however your opinion carries more weight when you do.

In your case I would be more concerned about updating your 10 year old intel rig for security purposes than what amd is doing for board compatibility.
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#355
Xzibit
MelvisThis is exactly what I mean! Couldnt agree more with this video!

They also have skin in the game because they kept recommending B450 and earlier gen boards to no end in hopes of longevity.

Thanks for taking our advise now that it turned out to be not so good advise.
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#356
Melvis
bugOnce again: did it read "Ryzen 4000 supported" on the box when you bought it?
Non-existing products are unsupported by default, you cannot blame AMD for your wishful thinking (even if they sorta encouraged it).
It doesnt say on any box so what the heck are you talking about?

You clearly didnt see the video did you? or you wouldnt of made such a silly post! :slap:
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#357
Countryside
Its astoundingly stunning how many people here see this as its nothing and think that everyone else is overreacting well that's what you get when a big problem for most is a small fan on chipset.
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#358
Octopuss
What problem are you talking about? 15 pages is a lot, something horrible must have happened.
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#359
djisas
CountrysideIts astoundingly stunning how many people here see this as its nothing and think that everyone else is overreacting well that's what you get when a big problem for most is a small fan on chipset.
And now some of the fancy new intel mb's are shipping with not one, not two, but three vrm fans, at least asrock is doing it, those new intel chips will be hell to cool...
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#360
bug
MelvisIt doesnt say on any box so what the heck are you talking about?

You clearly didnt see the video did you? or you wouldnt of made such a silly post! :slap:
What are you talking about? You know very well you're just venting, if you truly thought you were cheated, you'd be taking this to a lawyer, not an internet forum ;)
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#361
Melvis
bugWhat are you talking about? You know very well you're just venting, if you truly thought you were cheated, you'd be taking this to a lawyer, not an internet forum ;)
Yep that just proves it you didnt watch the Video at all! and you clearly have no clue what your talking about or what the issues are, go back and read and watch and you might learn something, till then dont bother posting and wasting peoples time when you havent bothered to learn!
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#362
Parn
Looks like AMD is going to employ the same strategy as Intel, 2 gens of CPUs max per chipset. AMD is winning the x86 CPU battle and gaining market share. So this has come at no surprise.
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#363
EarthDog
OctopussWhat problem are you talking about? 15 pages is a lot, something horrible must have happened.
The pure, kind, patron saint AMD took off her veil to spite all the loyal followers?

The law has a term for this... bait and switch. :p
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#364
bug
MelvisYep that just proves it you didnt watch the Video at all! and you clearly have no clue what your talking about or what the issues are, go back and read and watch and you might learn something, till then dont bother posting and wasting peoples time when you havent bothered to learn!
Of course I didn't watch the video, I was just trying to see whether you have a point on your own.
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#365
specopsFI
XzibitThey also have skin in the game because they kept recommending B450 and earlier gen boards to no end in hopes of longevity.

Thanks for taking our advise now that it turned out to be not so good advise.
Very true. And why did they recommend B450's? Because there was nothing better in the market to recommend (for the majority of their audience). And why did they think B450's had longevity? Because AMD has been selling the whole platform with longevity. And MSI went as far as to launch a whole series of B450 MAX motherboards, marketing them as future proof products.

So where did HWU do wrong?
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#366
Melvis
bugOf course I didn't watch the video, I was just trying to see whether you have a point on your own.
My point is the video! and what ive been saying all along, but since you STILL dont get it, just move on bud! and go to another forum page that is a little bit more toned down for you to understand! thank you!
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#367
sepheronx
ParnLooks like AMD is going to employ the same strategy as Intel, 2 gens of CPUs max per chipset. AMD is winning the x86 CPU battle and gaining market share. So this has come at no surprise.
Technically AMD did 3 so far, so 1 ahead of Intel. Not that I fully agree with their claim and all but still.
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#368
bug
MelvisMy point is the video! and what ive been saying all along, but since you STILL dont get it, just move on bud! and go to another forum page that is a little bit more toned down for you to understand! thank you!
Ah, my bad. I thought that was the poster's point. Do I feel silly now...
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#369
Rocketboy
This is no longer possible as the 3000 series and 4000 series are good enough to crush each other (zen3 old card support). Because pricing has become difficult.
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#370
Xzibit
specopsFIVery true. And why did they recommend B450's? Because there was nothing better in the market to recommend (for the majority of their audience). And why did they think B450's had longevity? Because AMD has been selling the whole platform with longevity. And MSI went as far as to launch a whole series of B450 MAX motherboards, marketing them as future proof products.

So where did HWU do wrong?
Its been said but still escapes the mind. AM4 Socket support doesn't equal Chipset support. The intro to the video makes it clear then it goes on to, Well they should do this or we think they should do that because of this and that.

BTW, Didn't they (HWU) have a poll and the majority of their audience/replies said it was unfortunate not bothered or will upgrade the motherboard. Only 1/4th were upset.

So its the people who take their recommendations to heart
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#371
Super XP
the54thvoidWait? No. So my planned 3 generation CPU path on one, original mobo is shafted? I'm pretty sure it was never promised but I'm certain future upgrade on the old X370 was spoken on for Zen 3?

If true, this sucks big time.
Speculation and all, but I believe AMD had issues ensuring full ZEN3 utilization with x370 mobo's. They did mention Socket AM4 compatibility back in the day, though I don't remember them talking about chipset clarification. A lot can happen in 3 years.
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#372
specopsFI
XzibitIts been said but still escapes the mind. AM4 Socket support doesn't equal Chipset support. The intro to the video makes it clear then it goes on to, Well they should do this or we think they should do that because of this and that.

BTW, Didn't they (HWU) have a poll and the majority of their audience/replies said it was unfortunate not bothered or will upgrade the motherboard. Only 1/4th were upset.

So its the people who take their recommendations to heart
I'm sure you, in principle, agree that socket support is completely pointless without chipset support? Denying compatibility for a pin-compatible product is in no way different from actually changing the socket. But that's pedantic at best.

The poll showed a rather big unhappy camp compared to market penetration of the B450/X470 chipsets. People who are not affected by any of this have a low tendency to be very upset about it...
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#373
bug
specopsFII'm sure you, in principle, agree that socket support is completely pointless without chipset support? Denying compatibility for a pin-compatible product is in no way different from actually changing the socket. But that's pedantic at best.

The poll showed a rather big unhappy camp compared to market penetration of the B450/X470 chipsets. People who are not affected by any of this have a low tendency to be very upset about it...
Turning this upside down, how can anyone ever be happy because of lack of support?
But there's a difference between "this doesn't work. bummer" and pulling out the pitchforks.
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#374
trparky
I know that I said earlier that I was going to back out of this thread but I'm just going to leave this here...
Got to love the thumbnail pic for this one. Steve, you're hilarious.
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#375
windwhirl
trparkyGot to love the thumbnail pic for this one. Steve, you're hilarious.
Honestly, I was tired of all the debate and back-and-forth about this matter, but I'm gonna watch that video just because of the thumbnail :laugh:
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