Thursday, May 7th 2020

AMD B550 Chipset Detailed, It's Ready for Zen 3, Older AM4 Motherboards not Compatible

In their briefing leading up to today's Ryzen 3 3100 and 3300X review embargo, AMD disclosed that its upcoming "Zen 3" 4th generation Ryzen desktop processors will only support AMD 500-series (or later) chipsets. The next-gen processors will not work with older 400-series or 300-series chipsets. This comes as a blow to those who bought premium X470 motherboards hoping for latest CPU compatibility running into 2020. At this time only B550 is available, but we expect more news on enthusiast chipsets as the Zen 3 launch date comes closer. AMD B550 is a fascinating new mid-range chipset by AMD. Launching today as a successor to the popular B450 chipset, B550 is a low-power silicon with roughly the same 5-7 W TDP as the older 400-series chipset. Although AMD won't confirm it, it's likely that the chipset is sourced from ASMedia. It brings a lot to the table that could draw buyers away from B450, but it also takes some away.

The AMD B550 currently only supports 3rd generation Ryzen "Matisse" processors. Ryzen 3000 "Picasso" APU are not supported. What's more, older Ryzen 2000 "Pinnacle Ridge," "Raven Ridge," and first gen Ryzen 1000 "Summit Ridge" aren't supported, either. The Athlon 200 and 3000 "Zen" based chips miss out, too. AMD argues that it ran into ROM size limitations when trying to cram AGESA microcode for all the older processors. We find that hard to believe because B450 motherboards with the latest ComboAM4 AGESA support 2nd gen and 3rd gen processors, including APUs and Athlon SKUs based on the two. On the bright side, AMD assured us (within its marketing slides for the B550), that the chipset will support upcoming processors based on the "Zen 3" microarchitecture. The company also came up with a new motherboard packaging label that clarifies that the processors won't work with the 3400G and 3200G.
AMD B550 chipset highlights AMD B550 processor support AMD B550 vs B450
AMD B550 motherboards will feature partial PCI-Express gen 4.0 support. The main PCI-Express x16 slot, and one of the M.2 NVMe slots that are wired to the "Matisse" processor will be PCI-Express gen 4.0, however, all downstream PCIe lanes put out by the B550 chipset are gen 3.0. This is still a step up from 400-series "Promontory" chipsets, which are limited to gen 2.0. B550 puts out eight PCIe gen 3.0 lanes, which combine with the 20 usable processor lanes from "Matisse" to take the platform's total PCIe budget to 28 lanes (x16 gen 4.0 + x4 gen 4.0 + x8 gen 3.0). The B550 chipset itself connects to the "Matisse" processor via a PCI-Express 3.0 x4 connection.

In terms of connectivity, AMD's B550 chipset puts out up to six SATA 6 Gbps ports with AHCI and RAID capability; two each of 10 Gbps USB 3.2 gen 2 and 5 Gbps USB 3.2 gen 1 ports; and six USB 2.0 ports. PCIe, SATA, and USB connectivity from the "Matisse" processor is unchanged: four 10 Gbps USB 3.2 gen 2 ports, and up to two SATA 6 Gbps ports.
AMD B550 platform layout
The processor includes a PCI-Express 4.0 x16 PEG connection that can be split between slots. AMD is allowing motherboard designers to have multi-GPU capability with the B550, where the x16 PEG link is split between two x16 slots (electrical x8). Previously this capability was limited to the top-tier X370 and X470 boards. The processor also puts out one PCI-Express 4.0 x4 link meant to drive one M.2 NVMe slot or U.2 NVMe port. Every B550 motherboard we've seen so far features one M.2 PCIe gen 4.0 x4 (64 Gbps) slot.
AMD B550 motherboards
As with both its predecessors, the B350 and B450, the new B550 chipset enables full multiplier-based CPU overclocking, along with broad memory overclocking support. Motherboard designers are at liberty to kit out the B550 with the most elaborate CPU VRM solutions. Expect some of the pricier B550 boards to match their X570 counterparts in overclocking capability.

Motherboards based on the AMD B550 chipset are expected to launch on June 16, 2020. Prices start at $100, according to AMD.
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434 Comments on AMD B550 Chipset Detailed, It's Ready for Zen 3, Older AM4 Motherboards not Compatible

#376
Melvis
bugAh, my bad. I thought that was the poster's point. Do I feel silly now...
Thats ok! we all realised how silly you where for your comments and not having the intellect to be able to view Videos or read comments, so all good! At least now you know ;)
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#377
ValenOne
EarthDogThe pure, kind, patron saint AMD took off her veil to spite all the loyal followers?

The law has a term for this... bait and switch. :p
There's another term for presenting themselves as virtuous but has similar behavior has their condemned targets... hypocrites. :p
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#379
bug
rvalenciaThere's another term for presenting themselves as virtuous but has similar behavior has their condemned targets... hypocrites. :p
Come on. This is not hypocrisy, it's just business. When you're not at the top of your game, you pretty much have to play nice (since your products are not competitive enough). And when you get on top, your shareholders will make sure they're getting paid.
And that's disregarding the possibility Zen3 is actually incompatible with chipsets built for CPUs two iterations older.

If there's anything amiss here, it's people building a mental image of a company based on company's own PR and kind words.
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#380
authorized
XzibitIts been said but still escapes the mind. AM4 Socket support doesn't equal Chipset support. The intro to the video makes it clear then it goes on to, Well they should do this or we think they should do that because of this and that.
AM4 support equals chipset support in context of cpu upgrades so that kind of defense seems childish. "Technically" they didn't say that, who cares, they misled people.

I agree with what he's saying in the video, but presenting that "what they should have said" statement was very cringy.

There's a silver lining for everyone who bought a bugdet oriented B450 motherboard - even if you have to buy a new B550 motherboard, a total cost will be about the same as if you bought an X570 in the first place.
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#381
ValenOne
bugCome on. This is not hypocrisy, it's just business. When you're not at the top of your game, you pretty much have to play nice (since your products are not competitive enough). And when you get on top, your shareholders will make sure they're getting paid.
And that's disregarding the possibility Zen3 is actually incompatible with chipsets built for CPUs two iterations older.

If there's anything amiss here, it's people building a mental image of a company based on company's own PR and kind words.
Business entity = separate legal entity from owners.

Being in business is not an excuse for behaving badly or opening the business for a class action e.g. www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/8/28/20837336/amd-12-million-false-advertising-class-action-lawsuit-bulldozer-chips

It looks like AMD deserves another class action. LOL. community.amd.com/thread/252855
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#383
las
Just in time to cut 300 and 400 series chipset support for 4000 series :D

2 gens of support on a consumer platform is enough. Lets go. Focus on new stuff and stop wasting time on supporting old stuff. Can't blame AMD for this.
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#384
ValenOne
bugYou really think "socket support should equal chipset support" will stand in court?


"Upgrade your processor without buying a new motherboard".
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#385
EarthDog
rvalencia"Upgrade your processor without buying a new motherboard".
"subject to future roadmap modifications"
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#386
Caring1
rvalencia

"Upgrade your processor without buying a new motherboard".
Cherry picking what the slide says doesn't help your argument.
It clearly shows until 2020.
Guess what year it is now!
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#388
bug
@rvalencia You're grasping at straws at this point. Let it rest.
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#389
las
rvalencia

"Upgrade your processor without buying a new motherboard".
Yes, feel free to upgrade to 3000 series. They did not really lie.
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#390
Super XP
rvalencia

"Upgrade your processor without buying a new motherboard".
It says Socket AM4 compatibility, but mentions nothing about chipsets. I think AMD is making a good decision here IMO. Sometimes trying to support old chipsets with new processors hinders the overall system performance or that old chipset hinders the new CPU potential.
Some might call this a cash grab, I don't, I believe AMD wants Zero performance compromise and if that's not supporting x370 then so be it. IMO
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#391
bug
Super XPIt says Socket AM4 compatibility, but mentions nothing about chipsets. I think AMD is making a good decision here IMO. Sometimes trying to support old chipsets with new processors hinders the overall system performance or that old chipset hinders the new CPU potential.
Some might call this a cash grab, I don't, I believe AMD wants Zero performance compromise and if that's not supporting x370 then so be it. IMO
It's also not supporting X470, but I'm still not going to burn AMD to the stake for that ;)

AMD shot themselves in the foot because now more people will realize they may not be the dreamy company they paint themselves to be: they did not shy away from making vague/borderline misleading statements, first chance they got. But that's AMD's problem to deal with.
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#392
ARF
And now what...... B550 will support only one generation because next year is AM5 and something completely different?!
Well, bad timing for a poor decision.
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#393
bug
ARFAnd now what...... B550 will support only one generation because next year is AM5 and something completely different?!
Well, bad timing for a poor decision.
B550 will support Zen2 and Zen3. Sure, it's ridiculously late for Zen2, but two generations on the same socket is about par for the course.
And I'm not sure if a Zen3+ is in the cards, that may also run on the B550.
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#394
ARF
B550 is impossibly late for Zen 2. It's about time for end-of-support and shelf life for Zen 2, if one doesn't count the new desktop APUs.
There is no such thing Zen 3+.
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#395
Super XP
bugIt's also not supporting X470, but I'm still not going to burn AMD to the stake for that ;)

AMD shot themselves in the foot because now more people will realize they may not be the dreamy company they paint themselves to be: they did not shy away from making vague/borderline misleading statements, first chance they got. But that's AMD's problem to deal with.
Well it's going to be a PR nightmare for AMD and deservingly so. I wonder if there will be a last minute strategy to actually support all Socket AM4 x370/x470 chipsets after all?
Total support would be wise though IMO, because many just want to plug in a new ZEN3 CPU and nothing more.
They aren't like us that want a new ZEN3 + a new chipset mobo built for that CPU. :D
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#396
BerserkerGuts
ARFB550 is impossibly late for Zen 2. It's about time for end-of-support and shelf life for Zen 2, if one doesn't count the new desktop APUs.
There is no such thing Zen 3+.
P0000pp00p0

OK miss this p....o.s... series
Maybe when stop intel buisness plan new mobo buy because more upgrade +15% performance pathetic
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#397
bug
BerserkerGutsP0000pp00p0

OK miss this p....o.s... series
Maybe when stop intel buisness plan new mobo buy because more upgrade +15% performance pathetic
May I suggest translate.google.com ? It's less brutal on the English language.
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#398
Super XP
BerserkerGutsP0000pp00p0

OK miss this p....o.s... series
Maybe when stop intel buisness plan new mobo buy because more upgrade +15% performance pathetic
Interesting, you make it sound like the ZEN2 series is garbage? or am I not reading your post correctly?
Those that have ZEN2 don't really have to upgrade to ZEN3, but the choice is available if they so choose so. ZEN3 is mostly for those that want to upgrade from existing ZEN, ZEN+ and Intel CPUs.
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#399
YAYgee
ARFThere is no such thing Zen 3+.
After Renoir and Cezanne the next one is a Zen 3+ APU according to AMD's internal roadmap (which also will have DDR5).
B550 is impossibly late for Zen 2. It's about time for end-of-support and shelf life for Zen 2, if one doesn't count the new desktop APUs.
B550 was launched together with R3 3100 and 3300X. So it isn't only the APUs. Plus, later there might be a few "AF" releases. They left it late. Can't argue with that. Still the Zen 2 offerings that are out now are great value (priced even more attractively once Zen 3 gets released?). B550 is a budget option after all.

Zen 4 could very well be a CES 2022 launch. And we'd get refreshes in 2021. N7, N7P and N7+ ported to N6 (all 7nm family) should present no problem I hear.

PS to be clear I do feel bad for those that wanted to upgrade to Zen 3. Let's see if AMD clean up their act going forward.
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#400
Gmr_Chick
BerserkerGutsP0000pp00p0

OK miss this p....o.s... series
Maybe when stop intel buisness plan new mobo buy because more upgrade +15% performance pathetic
You created an account just to spout nonsensical BS, didn't you?

All I can say is.... :nutkick:
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