Just pull everything out of those greedy sub-based money whores and run your own game, supported by the content creation industry . We don't need distributors taking large pieces of pie. GTFO, you can sit in the naughty corner with Gabe's 30% Steam cut. I don't care about shiny stores. I care about games.

Its just data. Everyone can run a server, and I applaud Epic for doing so as it is. The power of these tech giants needs to be stopped.

Public awareness is the most powerful weapon if we want to support this.

Something else must have happened, this game has been on Android and iOS for what, 2 years ? Did they realize that purchases through the most popular game on Earth were made directly in the app just now ?

Epic signed the contact about in-app purchase and Epic violated it, Epic got kicked out, Epic files a lawsuit about "Monopoly" and claims it is fighting for all developers.

SoMeThInG Is NoT RiGhT ... :nutkick:

More open ecosystem? From Epic? :kookoo:

I'm not sure how I feel about this one. If you want to use someone's service, you play by their rules. Google and Apple have the right to operate as they see fit within the boundaries of the law. The question is whether or not Google and Apple are breaking the law by imposing these rules.

I'm not sure about iOS, but on Android, you can easily install anything from an "unverified source" or whatever by ticking the option in Security Settings. It's no different than installing GPU-Z, which you downloaded from TechPowerUp, instead of installing it from the Microsoft Store, or whatever it's called.

The simple fact is that OS platforms are marketplaces, not stores. The store is the app store, and Apple is illegally restricting the market place to one store. Allow an Epic game store on iOS is the start. Time to fix this nonsense that only got started with the iPhone and is completely different from every other OS for the last 50 years.

That POS should be pulled off from the entire internet. Thanks Google and Apple <3

Vya DomusSomething else must have happened, this game has been on Android and iOS for what, 2 years ? Did they realize that purchases through the most popular game on Earth were made directly in the app just now ?

This is bigger than Epic. Apple is fighting this battle on in-app purchases in a broad sense. And Google happily tags along, after all, why not, you get double the weight to rake in more cash on a regular basis. This is like Steam extending its contract beyond the game purchase and applies the tax over all in-game purchases as well, I wouldn't be surprised if they follow suit. And note: they're not doing anything more for it than they always have. Its like free money!

Its greed. Pure and simple, and because technically they 'can'. The bigger their share of whatever pie, the more they can take over in the future. Apple does the same with start ups as Google in that sense. Its all business and we're suffering for it, in terms of creative landscape and fair play. We sure as hell don't benefit from it.

Vya DomusSomething else must have happened, this game has been on Android and iOS for what, 2 years ? Did they realize that purchases through the most popular game on Earth were made directly in the app just now ?

I believe they where planning the law suit... they implemented the alternative payment option to get banned from the store and leverage that to start the law suit.

Vayra86This is bigger than Epic. Apple is fighting this battle on in-app purchases in a broad sense. And Google happily tags along, after all, why not, you get double the weight to rake in more cash on a regular basis. This is like Steam extending its contract beyond the game purchase and applies the tax over all in-game purchases as well, I wouldn't be surprised if they follow suit. And note: they're not doing anything more for it than they always have. Its like free money!

Its greed. Pure and simple, and because technically they 'can'. The bigger their share of whatever pie, the more they can take over in the future. Apple does the same with start ups as Google in that sense. Its all business and we're suffering for it, in terms of creative landscape and fair play. We sure as hell don't benefit from it.

If they don't, then everyone will be putting their apps "Free" and everything are in-app purchases.

Mentioning steam is quite an example.
Imagine if every game is Freemium and steam does not benefit from in-game purchases.

Are they doing a charity or something ?
Just let you profit from their platform and use the server bandwidth for $0 ?

Monopoly? Lol.... how many people play this through the app stores?

Vya DomusSomething else must have happened, this game has been on Android and iOS for what, 2 years ? Did they realize that purchases through the most popular game on Earth were made directly in the app just now ?

The violation wasn't microtransactions, that's fine. It was selling microtransactions that circumvented Apple's system and offering a cheaper option directly inside the game (and encouraging players to dodge the official route). Basically they had one offering through Apple's official in-app purchase system that was x amount of vbucks (or whatever) for y dollars, and then they had an in-game offer for x amount of vbucks for y-20% dollars (so Epic earned 10% more on that deal, but for players it was 20% cheaper as they didn't have to pay Apple tax). Effectively making the game into a marketplace, which is a violation of Apple (and also Google's, apparently) store policies. This was only added recently and seems to be deliberate as they had the legal proceedings ready to go as soon as it happened.

hatI'm not sure how I feel about this one. If you want to use someone's service, you play by their rules. Google and Apple have the right to operate as they see fit within the boundaries of the law. The question is whether or not Google and Apple are breaking the law by imposing these rules.

I'm not sure about iOS, but on Android, you can easily install anything from an "unverified source" or whatever by ticking the option in Security Settings. It's no different than installing GPU-Z, which you downloaded from TechPowerUp, instead of installing it from the Microsoft Store, or whatever it's called.

While I agree on the Android side, on iOS it's completely locked down. If you want a game or app on an Apple device, you need to either jailbreak or get it directly through the App store. No sideloading. This effectively means you have two options for iOS:

• Only release your app on jailbreak marketplaces, which is in violation of Apple's terms of service and can result in legal action against the developers. Also the audience is much smaller on jailbroken devices compared to stock.
• Release it through the app store and have 30% of your revenue taken away

This was deliberate to send a message that Apple's system is very antitrust, which it has gotten many complains about previously.

AleksandarKThe company wants to fight both Apple and Google in court and make them be more developer-friendly, especially Apple.

Why is it "especially Apple"? Something is clearly missing in the OP.

hatI'm not sure how I feel about this one. If you want to use someone's service, you play by their rules.

How about the following rule: "any small company selling stuff on amazon, needs to send its CEO to participate in annual Bezos The Great Ass Kissing Ritual"?

Laws are created around cusotmers' interests. The shit that Apple is pulling off (long term subscription cut) is very clearly against it. The "oh, but isn't it kinda legal at the moment", first, I doubt it is legal in EU, second, The Standard Oil Company was also legal, until it stopped being legal, because new laws were introduced.

Last, but not least, people siding with transnational juggernaut assholes exposed for despicable behavior is appalling. (Stockholm syndrome?)

Vya DomusSomething else must have happened

variety.com/2020/digital/news/apple-app-store-eu-antitrust-probes-spotify-1234636728/#

telecoms.com/505823/telegram-adds-another-antitrust-complaint-for-apple-to-ponder/

EU is focusing on "when Apple is competing as app developer" scenario, so good luck, Epic, Telegram:

In announcing the investigations, EU Executive Vice-President Margrethe Vestager, who is in charge of enforcing the region’s competition policy, said: “Apple sets the rules for the distribution of apps to users of iPhones and iPads. It appears that Apple obtained a ‘gatekeeper’ role when it comes to the distribution of apps and content to users of Apple’s popular devices. We need to ensure that Apple’s rules do not distort competition in markets where Apple is competing with other app developers, for example with its music streaming service Apple Music or with Apple Books.”

Meanwhile in EPIC Store - haven't logged in for weeks. Try to claim Total War:

Your account is unable to download any more free games at this time, please wait 24 hours before trying to redeem a free game again.

The game can be claimed for 24 hours. Yeah, good luck with that.

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medi01How about the following rule: "any small company selling stuff on amazon, needs to send its CEO to participate in annual Bezos The Great Ass Kissing Ritual"?

Laws are created around cusotmers' interests. The shit that Apple is pulling off (long term subscription cut) is very clearly against it. The "oh, but isn't it kinda legal at the moment", first, I doubt it is legal in EU, second, The Standard Oil Company was also legal, until it stopped being legal, because new laws were introduced.

Last, but not least, people siding with transnational juggernaut assholes exposed for despicable behavior is appalling. (Stockholm syndrome?)

Don't try to twist my argument to make it out to be any more than it is. A company is allowed to operate as it sees fit, within the law of the land they're operating in. Surely the "Bezos The Great Ass Kissing Ritual" would result in all sorts of lawsuits, and rightfully so. If you don't like it, you're allowed to take action in many ways: you can vote with your wallet, start your own company, or petition to change the law. How would you feel if you were running a business and one of your partners decided to sue you because they don't like your rules?

Now, @kayjay010101 makes a good point. Evidently, you can't (easily) install things on iOS outside of their app store. You can do this easily on Android. That's not something I'm okay with as a consumer, so I guess I'm not buying an iOS device. That said, whether or not it's legal for them to do that is another question, and something for the courts to decide. If I had to guess, I'd suspect that Epic may have a valid point in court against Apple, but not Google.

hatI'm not sure how I feel about this one. If you want to use someone's service, you play by their rules. Google and Apple have the right to operate as they see fit within the boundaries of the law. The question is whether or not Google and Apple are breaking the law by imposing these rules.

I'm not sure about iOS, but on Android, you can easily install anything from an "unverified source" or whatever by ticking the option in Security Settings. It's no different than installing GPU-Z, which you downloaded from TechPowerUp, instead of installing it from the Microsoft Store, or whatever it's called.

Came here to point out that Google has a stronger case as they can quickly point to that. Does the average consumer even have a clue how to install from an unverified source? Arguably no. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

hatSurely the "Bezos The Great Ass Kissing Ritual" would result in all sorts of lawsuits, and rightfully so.

The "kissing" would, but "rules, made up by Bezos, to have access to amazon.com" would not, in line with your argument.

hatIf you don't like it, you're allowed to take action in many ways

As with The Standard Oil Company, there were so many options available. Say, walking instead of buying an overpriced gas.
Or founding your own oil company.

For some reason, people decided that although it was legal, it was not OK.

hatwhether or not it's legal for them to do that is another question, and something for the courts to decide

The point that you have completely missed is: laws are merely REFLECTION of what society deems right. We are talking about right or wrong here, and "it's right, because legal" has zero merit.

hatI'm not sure how I feel about this one. If you want to use someone's service, you play by their rules. Google and Apple have the right to operate as they see fit within the boundaries of the law. The question is whether or not Google and Apple are breaking the law by imposing these rules.

I'm not sure about iOS, but on Android, you can easily install anything from an "unverified source" or whatever by ticking the option in Security Settings. It's no different than installing GPU-Z, which you downloaded from TechPowerUp, instead of installing it from the Microsoft Store, or whatever it's called.

They don't "want to" use the service, but on iOS there's no alternative.

medi01Why is it "especially Apple"? Something is clearly missing in the OP.

See above.

Hold on... where is the journalistic impartiality?

GREED. Greed never changes...

Prima.VeraGREED. Greed never changes...

Honestly, everyone is free to set their own rules. And when someone else thinks those rules are not right, that's what the courts are for.

I see no drama here.

medi01The point that you have completely missed is: laws are merely REFLECTION of what society deems right. We are talking about right or wrong here, and "it's right, because legal" has zero merit.

Right, and the laws we have in place, which are there because society put them there, will decide whether or not it's okay for Apple and Google to operate in this way. As I mentioned, I believe they have a stronger case against Apple than Google.

Vayra86Just pull everything out of those greedy sub-based money whores and run your own game, supported by the content creation industry . We don't need distributors taking large pieces of pie. GTFO, you can sit in the naughty corner with Gabe's 30% Steam cut. I don't care about shiny stores. I care about games.

Its just data. Everyone can run a server, and I applaud Epic for doing so as it is. The power of these tech giants needs to be stopped.

Public awareness is the most powerful weapon if we want to support this.

Is it really the model that's the problem or is it the user? Free game is a free game. I dont need to buy skins etc. Or can buy up to $60 worth (cost of a typical new game).

SkullFoxHold on... where is the journalistic impartiality?

Good question. I'm wondering why the author's opinion was injected here. Is this an editorial or news?

Either way, par for the course. :(

EarthDogIs it really the model that's the problem or is it the user? Free game is a free game. I dont need to buy skins etc. Or can buy up to $60 worth (cost of a typical new game).

Good question. I'm wondering why the author's opinion was injected here. Is this an editorial or news?

Either way, par for the course. :(

It is clearly the model and not the user. The model is a business practice you see a lot: endlessly filled pockets of money get thrown at markets to control them completely. It warps the market and destroys fair competition, and the internet, being without boundaries, is the happy vehicle to prevent governments from any effective policy against it. The US won't, because hey, its success and any sort of ethical behaviour or ideal of equal opportunities is out the window anyway, as it has been the last years. But it is harmful to all stakeholders except the ones in the top of the tree. You know, that 1% of the wealthiest people talk about. How did a Jeff Bezos get filthy rich? Its sure as hell not just throwing packages across the world - it is because of barely paying taxes, a powerful lobby and deep, deep pockets. Its not about a good service or product. Its about just being everywhere. Tech companies love this approach. Look at Facebook. Google. Apple within its own ecosystem, Amazon. Netflix. Just-Eat. The list is long. At some point it was about some sort of sharing economy and people being their own boss using a platform. Where did that go, actually? How does that mix with a hefty sum you carry to a distribution partner that hardly has to do anything other than run some servers? And who randomly just increases the price of said service or changes policy?

The consumer masses hardly have the power anymore to do anything other than vote with their feet, but where will you go when all stickers are the same? This lobby is so deep into our systems... and its everywhere. Corruption, legalized and slowly but surely people are waking up to it. Not nearly fast enough though, and when they do, the next box of tricks has already been opened. It happens in fast food, it happens in retail, it happens in entertainment and it happens in many other places too. Multinationals are gaining power they should never have. Smaller business struggle to make ends meet. Any sort of normal entrepeneurship is basically pointless by default, you will get swallowed whole no matter what. Resident Evils' Umbrella Corp.? We're probably pretty close to it. Dystopia is just around the corner here. We're already structurally working more hours for lower total income, explain that with economies growing year over year?

This is much, much bigger than 'oh look free game'. The irony of it, the ONLY effective counter to that is what EGS is doing, which is essentially more of the same: getting lots of friends to regain control. I hope his motives are as he says they are. If not, this will kill the industry.

I'm very glad to see the recent acquisitions with THQ and how they are consolidating as independant publisher, and it underlines what I'm writing above is happening and real. (And why it is so, so incredibly important to remain a 'mobile' customer, not tied to some silly platform like Steam, when a new player arrives like EGS. Yes, I will say it again (royal you, note)).

So maybe, just maybe that also explains the lack of impartiality.

Please don't be upset by my short reply...

I downloaded a free game, many of them, that emplor this model. I didn't buy any skins or any back bling or dances or......... whatever else. Fortnite, Apex, COD, etc. Call me Mr. Default. :)

That said, in my head (lol), I would spend up to $60 on in-game items because that is how much the game costs. Why not? Support the devs? Same reason I don't steal games and haven't for over 15 years (adulting, lol).

What I don't like is the P2W model which Fortnite (sticking with the thread title) is not.

Perhaps this is preying on the weak minded? I don't know. It seems no different to me than the bitching about DLC and new maps (think BF4 as one example), and we accepted that model as well. But yeah, this I have zero issues with (people, be strong, lol), P2W sucks though.