My guess - strategic move to avoid getting jebaited, or at least have better options if that happens.

I suspect the demand will still exceed supply, but with the 3080 fiasco lessons learned hopefully this will still be much smoother for buyers

Well, I guess the review embargo will lift a day or two before 30th instead.

Price increase of 3070 with aprox £70

One of Swedens biggest retailer had a Zotac 3070 low end sku prepared on site for Oct 15 release with a price of 5700sek and now, due to 3080 shortage, they increased the price to 6500sek.

We will not only see a delay of the 3070 BUT also most certainly a price increase due to overwhelming demand.

EDIT: Just noticed several other retailers jacking up prices for different 3080 sku by £50-70. This is leaning towards significantly higher prices for all graphic cards before xmas.

wolfI suspect the demand will still exceed supply, but with the 3080 fiasco lessons learned hopefully this will still be much smoother for buyers

They will have at least 100k in stock this time, I hope, not 10k like last time.

That's hilarious, the mighty Nvidia is waiting for AMD.

BoboOOZThey will have at least 100k in stock this time

I hope that's sarcasm.

BoboOOZThey will have at least 100k in stock this time, I hope, not 10k like last time.

You think they will? Because in Norway, one of the biggest electronics shops Elkjop is scheduled to have these available in January (3080 and 3090). I don't think 3070 availability will be any better. Norway is not a big country in terms of population but still that tells a lot. So this 100k in stock, I believe it when I see it or maybe 100k+ stock across the world?

BoboOOZThey will have at least 100k in stock this time, I hope, not 10k like last time.

100K stock world wide just before xmas is not much, it will be gone day one.

3070 is a main stream sku that much more people can afford and will be in 100x more demand than 3080.

They will need 1 million at least at release day BUT that wont happen.

Since they predicted 3080 demand wrong they did the same thing to 3070, ordering large volumes of components for manufacturing is done 6-9 months before manufacturing starts.

Only reason for the delay is to try to have a little more stock BUT it will still not be nearly enuf.

ratirtYou think they will? Because in Norway, one of the biggest electronics shops Elkjop is scheduled to have these available in January (3080 and 3090). I don't think 3070 availability will be any better. Norway is not a big country in terms of population but still that tells a lot. So this 100k in stock, I believe it when I see it or maybe 100k+ stock across the world?

I would imagine they will, I imagine they started production at the same time as with the more expensive SKU and this being a smaller die, yields should be better.

That said, my opinion is that, if you can wait, buying now is just dumb, the prices are still high because of the lockdown after-effects and the competition hasn't made their announcement.

So if there's another shortage, well, I consider it a favor to people who lack any discipline :D .

fynxer100K stock world wide is not much, it will be gone day one.

Probably, but it should last more than 10 seconds.

I wonder if, rather than it being stock or fears of RDNA2, it's because Nvidia is rethinking their software given the stability problems of the 3080 and 3090 at ~2GHz?

Don't forget, the 3070 will be a cheaper card with cheaper VRMs and lower capacitor counts to save costs. If the extremely complex and expensive voltage regulation of the 3080 and 3090 weren't stable, how do you think the cheapo cut-down variants are going to fare without some serious driver work? It's too late to change the board design at this point, likely thousands of cards have already been manufactured with inadequate bypass capacitors on Nvidia's rushed and inadequately-tested reference design.

BoboOOZwould imagine they will, I imagine they started production at the same time as with the more expensive SKU and this being a smaller die, yields should be better.

That said, my opinion is that, if you can wait, buying now is just dumb, the prices are still high because of the lockdown after-effects and the competition hasn't made their announcement.

So if there's another shortage, well, I consider it a favor to people who lack any discipline :D .

This is smaller if you consider 3080 or 3090 sure but they still have loads of cores and the die is still quite big.
I'm not buying anything for now. There's a lot in few months to come to make such a rush decision.
Your last paragraph, is 100% true. :) There's a lot of people who require somebody to making decisions for them. :D I think it's for the best :P

Yeah it's got nothing to do with AMD announcing their cards around the same time.
Jensen wants to beat their pricing. Simple as that.

Chrispy_I wonder if, rather than it being stock or fears of RDNA2, it's because Nvidia is rethinking their software given the stability problems of the 3080 and 3090 at ~2GHz?

Don't forget, the 3070 will be a cheaper card with cheaper VRMs and lower capacitor counts to save costs. If the extremely complex and expensive voltage regulation of the 3080 and 3090 weren't stable, how do you think the cheapo cut-down variants are going to fare without some serious driver work? It's too late to change the board design at this point, likely thousands of cards have already been manufactured with inadequate bypass capacitors on Nvidia's rushed and inadequately-tested reference design.

Indeed, it's not completely unreasonable to imagine they have to change something in the drivers and/or to refine their reference board specifications.

ChomiqYeah it's got nothing to do with AMD announcing their cards around the same time.
Jensen wants to beat their pricing. Simple as that.

Beat their pricing, I'm not sure, but steal some of their thunder, that's a definite possibility.

I ordered a pc part that the shop did not have in stock. They had to order it from the supplier. It took 12 days to arrive.

Nvidia postponing a launch 2 weeks later, using the stock reason is total buls**t. Everyone knows they are now waiting for AMD to unveil their RDNA2.

And this I believe is a BIG win for us consumers. Competition seems to be back... At least theoretically.

Reverse jabaiting techniques.

BoboOOZBeat their pricing, I'm not sure, but steal some of their thunder, that's a definite possibility.

NV already did try to steal the thunder with their 3080 and 3090 release. You can tell me how did that go. Since we will have them in the market AMD will be out with their products anyway.

VerpalWell, I guess the review embargo will lift a day or two before 30th instead.

Actually, two days before, so that RTX 3070 reviews land on October the 28th, the day AMD presents their Navi 2 GPUs, and they can steal some thunder. Want to bet?

Oh, so they need bigger quantities for the launch? Perhaps they could postpone it for December, they should have quite a number of cards then...

That aside, I think that 'price fixing' is the probable reason - from all those "leaked rumours" (sic!) it's more or less sure that AMD has competitive product line. What is not known is what will compete with what, and how 'disruptive' the pricing will be - that's what happened to Intel with their Sandy Bridge++++ architecture, when they suddenly had an epiphany that i3 could actually have 4 real cores and that whole product line could actually cost less.

Zen1 line wasn't actually better CPU than Intel, but it was similar enough in performance and much cheaper. For the same money, users could generally get at least 'good enough' and more 'future proof' (more cores, also more for many- core supporting software), and there is undeniable factor of 'fanboyism' - which is never good to underestimate.

AMD never talked about the money, so we don't know the degree of 'disruptiveness' they will go for - I guess they could make near-3070 performance card, and if they decide to charge something like 350g for it, then NVIDIAs hand will be pretty much forced - goes the same for other models, price/performance dependent.

I would, personally, like to see some 'disruption' in GPU scene - remember old GPU comparison tests here? "Best card for 30g", "Best card for 50-70g", "Best card overall" (where "overall" meant 250-400g)? Thing is, as time passed most components become better and faster and of more capacity, but the overall price that went in (say) mid-range configuration remained similar - CPU for ~200+g, RAM for 100g, HDD for 200g (well, for me - I need lots of slow space, and add it constantly - but ssd+hdd is about that same price for less storage-oriented user)... And now, I "understand" that 500g GPU is midrange??? Great! Sure, GPU needs a lot of things CPU takes from MB, ok, but for me, GPU prices are bit out of control... I need a replacement for RX580 8Gb and... crap, there is none...

CalmmoReverse jabaiting techniques.

GPU marketing just keeps devolving. AMD was terrible last time around, but have thankfully kept their mouths mostly shut for now (though some people really should be kept off twitter in the months leading up to a product launch). Nvidia has been on and off, but is no better overall. They both seem to think they're playing 4D chess, while everyone from the outside just sees two monkeys flinging crap at each other.

I really wish they would just start selling their products based on straightforward performance, features and value, letting their merits speak for themselves.

I don't know for sure but it seems like Nvidia intends to force AMD to compare their new cards to the RTX 3080/3090 instead of the 3070 in their reveal event.
As londiste said this is probably a strategic move to make it tougher for AMD to market their new cards.

$499 I'd like to see that.

Caring1$499 I'd like to see that.

Even 499 is too much. The 3070 has 50% less shaders than a 3080 not to mention the massive difference in bandwidth. I don't think there has ever been this big of gap between the two and they are asking 500$ for it ? Hell no.

The 3070 has 33% less shaders, not 50%.
The number of shaders or bandwidth doesn't matter, performance does.
The 3080 will be 30-35% faster for 40% more money which is quite resonable.

M2BThe 3070 has 33% less shaders, not 50%.

8704/5888 = 1.47. The 3080 has 47% more shaders, I rounded it up to 50%. I worded it wrong it seems.

M2BThe number of shaders or bandwidth doesn't matter, performance does.

Of course it matters, shaders and bandwidth generate the performance.

Chrispy_I wonder if, rather than it being stock or fears of RDNA2, it's because Nvidia is rethinking their software given the stability problems of the 3080 and 3090 at ~2GHz?

Don't forget, the 3070 will be a cheaper card with cheaper VRMs and lower capacitor counts to save costs. If the extremely complex and expensive voltage regulation of the 3080 and 3090 weren't stable, how do you think the cheapo cut-down variants are going to fare without some serious driver work? It's too late to change the board design at this point, likely thousands of cards have already been manufactured with inadequate bypass capacitors on Nvidia's rushed and inadequately-tested reference design.

Delay two weeks... for (what appears to be) a driver tweak........on a card that is still two weeks away? Can't say I buy that. They have time to do so.