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Apple Introduces M1 Pro and M1 Max: the Most Powerful Chips Apple Has Ever Built

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Apple today announced M1 Pro and M1 Max, the next breakthrough chips for the Mac. Scaling up M1's transformational architecture, M1 Pro offers amazing performance with industry-leading power efficiency, while M1 Max takes these capabilities to new heights. The CPU in M1 Pro and M1 Max delivers up to 70 percent faster CPU performance than M1, so tasks like compiling projects in Xcode are faster than ever. The GPU in M1 Pro is up to 2x faster than M1, while M1 Max is up to an astonishing 4x faster than M1, allowing pro users to fly through the most demanding graphics workflows.

M1 Pro and M1 Max introduce a system-on-a-chip (SoC) architecture to pro systems for the first time. The chips feature fast unified memory, industry-leading performance per watt, and incredible power efficiency, along with increased memory bandwidth and capacity. M1 Pro offers up to 200 GB/s of memory bandwidth with support for up to 32 GB of unified memory. M1 Max delivers up to 400 GB/s of memory bandwidth—2x that of M1 Pro and nearly 6x that of M1—and support for up to 64 GB of unified memory. And while the latest PC laptops top out at 16 GB of graphics memory, having this huge amount of memory enables graphics-intensive workflows previously unimaginable on a notebook. The efficient architecture of M1 Pro and M1 Max means they deliver the same level of performance whether MacBook Pro is plugged in or using the battery. M1 Pro and M1 Max also feature enhanced media engines with dedicated ProRes accelerators specifically for pro video processing. M1 Pro and M1 Max are by far the most powerful chips Apple has ever built.

"M1 has transformed our most popular systems with incredible performance, custom technologies, and industry-leading power efficiency. No one has ever applied a system-on-a-chip design to a pro system until today with M1 Pro and M1 Max," said Johny Srouji, Apple's senior vice president of Hardware Technologies. "With massive gains in CPU and GPU performance, up to six times the memory bandwidth, a new media engine with ProRes accelerators, and other advanced technologies, M1 Pro and M1 Max take Apple silicon even further, and are unlike anything else in a pro notebook."

M1 Pro: A Whole New Level of Performance and Capability
Utilizing the industry-leading 5-nanometer process technology, M1 Pro packs in 33.7 billion transistors, more than 2x the amount in M1. A new 10-core CPU, including eight high-performance cores and two high-efficiency cores, is up to 70 percent faster than M1, resulting in unbelievable pro CPU performance. Compared with the latest 8-core PC laptop chip, M1 Pro delivers up to 1.7x more CPU performance at the same power level and achieves the PC chip's peak performance using up to 70 percent less power. Even the most demanding tasks, like high-resolution photo editing, are handled with ease by M1 Pro.
M1 Pro has an up-to-16-core GPU that is up to 2x faster than M1 and up to 7x faster than the integrated graphics on the latest 8-core PC laptop chip. Compared to a powerful discrete GPU for PC notebooks, M1 Pro delivers more performance while using up to 70 percent less power. And M1 Pro can be configured with up to 32 GB of fast unified memory, with up to 200 GB/s of memory bandwidth, enabling creatives like 3D artists and game developers to do more on the go than ever before.

M1 Max: The World's Most Powerful Chip for a Pro Notebook
M1 Max features the same powerful 10-core CPU as M1 Pro and adds a massive 32-core GPU for up to 4x faster graphics performance than M1. With 57 billion transistors—70 percent more than M1 Pro and 3.5x more than M1—M1 Max is the largest chip Apple has ever built. In addition, the GPU delivers performance comparable to a high-end GPU in a compact pro PC laptop while consuming up to 40 percent less power, and performance similar to that of the highest-end GPU in the largest PC laptops while using up to 100 watts less power. This means less heat is generated, fans run quietly and less often, and battery life is amazing in the new MacBook Pro. M1 Max transforms graphics-intensive workflows, including up to 13x faster complex timeline rendering in Final Cut Pro compared to the previous-generation 13-inch MacBook Pro.

M1 Max also offers a higher-bandwidth on-chip fabric, and doubles the memory interface compared with M1 Pro for up to 400 GB/s, or nearly 6x the memory bandwidth of M1. This allows M1 Max to be configured with up to 64 GB of fast unified memory. With its unparalleled performance, M1 Max is the most powerful chip ever built for a pro notebook.

Fast, Efficient Media Engine, Now with ProRes
M1 Pro and M1 Max include an Apple-designed media engine that accelerates video processing while maximizing battery life. M1 Pro also includes dedicated acceleration for the ProRes professional video codec, allowing playback of multiple streams of high-quality 4K and 8K ProRes video while using very little power. M1 Max goes even further, delivering up to 2x faster video encoding than M1 Pro, and features two ProRes accelerators. With M1 Max, the new MacBook Pro can transcode ProRes video in Compressor up to a remarkable 10x faster compared with the previous-generation 16-inch MacBook Pro.

Advanced Technologies for a Complete Pro System
Both M1 Pro and M1 Max are loaded with advanced custom technologies that help push pro workflows to the next level:

A 16-core Neural Engine for on-device machine learning acceleration and improved camera performance.
A new display engine drives multiple external displays.
Additional integrated Thunderbolt 4 controllers provide even more I/O bandwidth.
Apple's custom image signal processor, along with the Neural Engine, uses computational video to enhance image quality for sharper video and more natural-looking skin tones on the built-in camera.
Best-in-class security, including Apple's latest Secure Enclave, hardware-verified secure boot, and runtime anti-exploitation technologies.A Huge Step in the Transition to Apple Silicon
The Mac is now one year into its two-year transition to Apple silicon, and M1 Pro and M1 Max represent another huge step forward. These are the most powerful and capable chips Apple has ever created, and together with M1, they form a family of chips that lead the industry in performance, custom technologies, and power efficiency.

macOS and Apps Unleash the Capabilities of M1 Pro and M1 Max
macOS Monterey is engineered to unleash the power of M1 Pro and M1 Max, delivering breakthrough performance, phenomenal pro capabilities, and incredible battery life. By designing Monterey for Apple silicon, the Mac wakes instantly from sleep, and the entire system is fast and incredibly responsive. Developer technologies like Metal let apps take full advantage of the new chips, and optimizations in Core ML utilize the powerful Neural Engine so machine learning models can run even faster. Pro app workload data is used to help optimize how macOS assigns multi-threaded tasks to the CPU cores for maximum performance, and advanced power management features intelligently allocate tasks between the performance and efficiency cores for both incredible speed and battery life.

The combination of macOS with M1, M1 Pro, or M1 Max also delivers industry-leading security protections, including hardware-verified secure boot, runtime anti-exploitation technologies, and fast, in-line encryption for files. All of Apple's Mac apps are optimized for—and run natively on—Apple silicon, and there are over 10,000 Universal apps and plug-ins available. Existing Mac apps that have not yet been updated to Universal will run seamlessly with Apple's Rosetta 2 technology, and users can also run iPhone and iPad apps directly on the Mac, opening a huge new universe of possibilities.

Apple's Commitment to the Environment
Today, Apple is carbon neutral for global corporate operations, and by 2030, plans to have net-zero climate impact across the entire business, which includes manufacturing supply chains and all product life cycles. This also means that every chip Apple creates, from design to manufacturing, will be 100 percent carbon neutral.

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156 Comments on Apple Introduces M1 Pro and M1 Max: the Most Powerful Chips Apple Has Ever Built

#26

Steevo

R0H1TThey also massive caches which negates some of the disadvantages of having IF, besides they're designed for workstations & servers so they're kinda made for different loads.

Maybe maybe not, we can't do a truly apples to apples comparison here without a monolithic AMD APU having unified memory subsystem ~ that IMO is the biggest gamechanger!

AMD & Intel have long talked about unified memory (CPU+GPU) for nearly half a decade now, even more for AMD, & yet Apple is the one that stole the show.

PS, Xbox have it.

Not much different than the walled garden of Apple. Truly interesting to see who they are paying royalties to.

#27

R0H1T

SteevoPS, Xbox have it.

I don't believe they do, they share memory but don't have truly unified memory for both CPU+GPU otherwise AMD will have no problem introducing it on their notebook or desktop platforms.

#28

windwhirl

Vya DomusI just wonder what's the point in having an SoC at this stage.

Higher data transfer speed between the SoC components (since it only has to work with their own OS by design, they can go bonkers with trying anything and everything under the Sun to optimize it to the limits)?

Besides that, you could also throw in the theory that it's all to enhance Apple's profits, since no longer will you be able to upgrade the device without switching out the whole SoC.

R0H1TAMD & Intel have long talked about unified memory (CPU+GPU) for nearly half a decade now, even more for AMD, & yet Apple is the one that stole the show.

Well, Apple doesn't have to care about compatibility with anything other than their own OS. Hell, they don't care for compatibility with apps that are not designed for the latest macOS versions.. Intel, AMD, Windows can't go all in with radical changes because backwards compatibility is sacred there.

dragontamer5788But Apple here only has an 8-core CPU + 16/32-core GPU to feed here. GPUs can be absurdly high-latency no problem and that CPU-count is small enough that a classic ring-bus would be fine.

On top of that, they have lots of fixed function hardware to cover multiple tasks.

R0H1TI don't believe they do, they share memory but don't have truly unified memory for both CPU+GPU otherwise AMD will have no problem introducing it on their notebook or desktop platforms.

Wouldn't that require massive changes in how Windows does memory management too? I imagine the compatibility problem could be solved from Windows side, but still.

Plus, with the hardware variety in the PC world, that probably wouldn't fly so well without certain minimal specs.

#29

Darmok N Jalad

Vya DomusThe SoCs themselves are meh, in the sense that they're just scaled up variants of M1, nothing particularly interesting there. Those memory bandwidth claims are however rather curios, I can't see how they'd achieve that other than by using GDDR6 modules. Besides the performance implications (some of which being negative, actually) the other thing is that they're pretty power hungry and dissipate a lot of heat (probably more than the SoC itself). To put up to 64GB of that in a laptop is a questionable choice.

Also, these have gotten soo big with such a large transistor budget that it now defeats the purpose of having an SoC in the first place.

Edit: Apparently it's LPDDR5, which is still kind of stupid because that means a very wide interface, which is also power hungry.

The 2 MPBs get like 17 hours and 21 hours of battery life. Apple‘s battery claims are usually fairly accurate, though obviously variable loads will have different results. Still, I could see one getting a workday knocked out on battery. Perhaps by the memory being on package, there is energy savings to be had. Traditional slot memory has got to lose a fair amount of that efficiency by comparison. As for meh, I don’t know how much more interesting could they have made it in one generation? They added CPU cores, doubled/tripled the GPU, and made massive chips with high memory bandwidth. I’d love to see AMD do this with their IP, but they only come close in price-conscious consoles. These appear to be video editing beasts, which is a very popular and lucrative segment right now.

I do agree that these monoliths might spell trouble down the road, but considering the price segments these are in, I guess Apple and TSMC can make it work. The only advantage I can see is that Apple doesn’t appear to be pushing clocks very hard, as the thermals look very reasonable. Maybe if they had to hit higher frequencies, they could have some supply woes?

heinztvoertI saw the Event. So, they took away the ports - forcing us to buy a bunch of peripherals and adapters. They took away HDMI, SD card, etc.. Now they bring them all back like if it was a big deal. I was never a fan of the touch bar, but now that am used to it I kind of like it - so now they take it away. They say they introduce cutting edge innovative products - Yes sorry I don't see where the innovation or the cutting-edge is.

Because now Johny Ive is gone. He was the crazy-thin, portless design madman. Ever since he left, thinness has become less of an emphasis, and ports are finally making a comeback. The iPhone and iPad have thickened up, and these MPBs look thicker than the outgoing models, too. A proper keyboard returned, and Touchbar got thrown into the trash can. The Ive philosophy certainly flew in the face of a company with claims of concern for the environment. Dongles and adapters make money, but they sure don’t make a case for environmental sustainability. I’d call these the “about flippin’ time” MacBook Pros that Apple customers have been waiting 6 or 7 years for.

#30

R0H1T

windwhirlWouldn't that require massive changes in how Windows does memory management too? I imagine the compatibility problem could be solved from Windows side, but still.

Plus, with the hardware variety in the PC world, that probably wouldn't fly so well without certain minimal specs.

Don't think so, AMD proposed this back in 2012 ~
www.anandtech.com/show/5493/amd-outlines-hsa-roadmap-unified-memory-for-cpugpu-in-2013-hsa-gpus-in-2014
Heck even Intel was supposed to do full unified memory with TGL IIRC.
www.macobserver.com/analysis/understanding-apples-unified-memory-architecture/
But it was Apple that took the chequered flag :ohwell:

Yes that's undoubtedly the biggest issue IMO ~ compatibility!

#31

Minus Infinity

R0H1TI don't believe they do, they share memory but don't have truly unified memory for both CPU+GPU otherwise AMD will have no problem introducing it on their notebook or desktop platforms.

Or AMD is going to be doing that with Zen 4/RDNA3. The consoles APU's are custom designs, not a straight up Zen 2 design. They have features not in the deskptop APU's.

#32

TheoneandonlyMrK

Interesting approach, I think reviews could be interesting on a technology level, it couldn't do enough for me to buy apple but tech is tech I'll read.

#33

R0H1T

Minus InfinityOr AMD is going to be doing that with Zen 4/RDNA3. The consoles APU's are custom designs, not a straight up Zen 2 design. They have features not in the deskptop APU's.

Yes but we've been waiting for this nearly a decade now! This could be the next big thing for x86 in terms of efficiency ~ I'm also of the opinion atm that ARM isn't more efficient just because they're designed for low(er) power devices. In the last 4-5 years the kind of growth we're seeing on regular PC's I'm sure Apple can be beaten even at their own game but AMD/Intel will need all the right tools for that including the best nodes!

#34

Wirko

R0H1TI don't believe they do, they share memory but don't have truly unified memory for both CPU+GPU

What's the difference? Is the memory "truly unified" only if memory access is governed by a single MMU for both CPU and GPU?

#35

windwhirl

R0H1TYes but we've been waiting for this nearly a decade now! This could be the next big thing for x86 in terms of efficiency ~ I'm also of the opinion atm that ARM isn't more efficient just because they're designed for low(er) power devices. In the last 4-5 years the kind of growth we're seeing on regular PC's I'm sure Apple can be beaten even at their own game but AMD/Intel will need all the right tools for that including the best nodes!

There's also a matter of who would want that. That kind of thing would probably demand fusing the CPU, GPU and DRAM together. A very high performance SoC, yes, but also very expensive. And a potential upgrade nightmare too, if it's not done right.

#36

dragontamer5788

R0H1TYes but we've been waiting for this nearly a decade now! This could be the next big thing for x86 in terms of efficiency ~ I'm also of the opinion atm that ARM isn't more efficient just because they're designed for low(er) power devices. In the last 4-5 years the kind of growth we're seeing on regular PC's I'm sure Apple can be beaten even at their own game but AMD/Intel will need all the right tools for that including the best nodes!

I mean... its called the PS5 / XBox Series X.

I'm pretty sure they have unified memory. Hell, CUDA + CPU / OpenCL + CPU has unified memory. Its just emulated over PCIe. PS5 / XBox Series X actually have the same, literal RAM work for the iGPU side and CPU side.

#37

TheoneandonlyMrK

WirkoWhat's the difference? Is the memory "truly unified" only if memory access is governed by a single MMU for both CPU and GPU?

Unified is exactly like the Ps5 and Xbox.
One pool of memory for any use.
So apple clearly were not first and are doing something similar..
The GPU or CPU Can make memory calls in those.
Though inevitably the MMU is going to be on the edge of the soc on a buss.

#38

Wirko

windwhirlThere's also a matter of who would want that. That kind of thing would probably demand fusing the CPU, GPU and DRAM together. A very high performance SoC, yes, but also very expensive. And a potential upgrade nightmare too, if it's not done right.

The PC is modular, after all.

#39

dragontamer5788

WirkoThe PC is modular, after all.

Expandable is the bigger issue. If you solder the RAM onboard, you can get very high performance, such as GPUs.

But if you want sticks of RAM that you can plug-and-play, from 16GBs laptops to 2048GB servers, things are a bit more difficult.

#40

Darmok N Jalad

windwhirlOn top of that, they have lots of fixed function hardware to cover multiple tasks.

I think this is something that can be easily overlooked, but it's a big advantage Apple now has, IMO. I think it is how they can provide the performance they do in such (relatively) low-TDP designs. Because PC's have to accommodate so many hardware configurations and various software expectations, there's a lot of emphasis on general performance. Specialized hardware just won't get the same adoption in the PC-space, because not everyone will have access to it. With the M1 line, developers can treat it much like a game console--they know exactly how much hardware they have to work with, and the APIs give them one way to access it. No worries about OS version, vendor driver support, etc. It's not exactly the same, since Macs do provide general purpose computing needs for legacy software, but the hardware should be more accessible due to the limited number of configurations. Intel's CEO wants to win Apple back, but it's pretty obvious that Apple is well on its way to approaching this with a finer brush. Sure, there's some brute force in these new M1s, but there's this fixed function hardware making some key differences. I'm not sure how Wintel answers that, at least in a nimble fashion. This ain't PowerPC 2.0, that's for sure.

#41

Valantar

Vya Domus"Trounce" is a bit extreme, plus, whatever advantages it has they most likely come from the huge caches and not because of the core architecture itself.

That's just for the SoC ? Then the memory and package power can easily reach a good chunk of that in addition to the 40-60W. That doesn't really matter, I just wonder what's the point in having an SoC at this stage.

They didnt say whether it's SoC or package power, but given that the RAM is on the same package I would kind of expect them to be counted together. Either way, how much can this be? If a 256-bit GDDR5 bus is about 20W, I would expect the same in LPDDR5 to be way less than 10, especially when mounted on package like this.

And how is "trounce" extreme when we're talking about a >50% IPC advantage? And obviously the caches play a huge part in that, especially how they somehow manage much, much lower latencies than everyone else. That doesn't make it any less impressive though.

Fouquin24MB L2 is the P-core LLC. LLC is not shared by P and E cores, they each have dedicated L2.

Oh, no, that's not the LLC. LLC is SoC-wide L3(ish) where cores, ML cores and likely gpu all have access, illustrated with that 3*8 block grid to the lower right of the cores in that diagram. If the L2 is 24MB, I would expect the LLC to be far, far larger than that given the relative size in the diagram. 128MB? 256?

Edit: the A15 has a 32MB LLC. I'm thinking 256MB now.

R0H1TThey also massive caches which negates some of the disadvantages of having IF, besides they're designed for workstations & servers so they're kinda made for different loads.

Maybe maybe not, we can't do a truly apples to apples comparison here without a monolithic AMD APU having unified memory subsystem ~ that IMO is the biggest gamechanger!

AMD & Intel have long talked about unified memory (CPU+GPU) for nearly half a decade now, even more for AMD, & yet Apple is the one that stole the show.

It's a bit strange for you to bring up the Epyc/TR comparison just to then say it's not a valid comparison once people get into why this is likely to be more efficient. LPDDR5 is much lower power than a heap of IF links - but also much lower bandwidth, of course. Apple makes up for this with huge and fast caches, keeping memory accesses to a minimu, while the monolithic architecture and low core counts lets them stick to relatively efficient and low power on-die interconnects.

WirkoWhat's the difference? Is the memory "truly unified" only if memory access is governed by a single MMU for both CPU and GPU?

Truly unified means everything can access the same data equally, with no copies needed. That is a major performance benefit and power savings.

dragontamer5788I mean... its called the PS5 / XBox Series X.

I'm pretty sure they have unified memory. Hell, CUDA + CPU / OpenCL + CPU has unified memory. Its just emulated over PCIe. PS5 / XBox Series X actually have the same, literal RAM work for the iGPU side and CPU side.

No, at least MS has explicitly stated how their memory is split between OS/CPU software/GPU.

#42

dragontamer5788

ValantarNo, at least MS has explicitly stated how their memory is split between OS/CPU software/GPU.

CPUs have to transfer data to the GPUs all the time (and sometimes rarely, maybe a GPU->CPU transfer). One of the key advantages of a SOC is that this "data transfer" takes place in L3 cache instead of over system memory.

I find it hard to believe that Microsoft would design a SOC like the XBox Series X and ignore this simple and useful optimization. I see that Microsoft is playing cute games with its 10+6 GB layout, but I'm pretty sure they're just saying that CPUs use less memory bandwidth, so 10GB of fast-RAM + 6GB of slow-RAM is intended for the CPU to use slow-RAM and GPU to use fast-RAM. But both CPU+GPU should have access to both halfs.

If for no other reason than to optimize the "no copy" methodology between CPU -> GPU data transfers. (Why ever copy data when GPUs can simply just read the RAM themselves?). In dGPU world, you need to transfer the data over PCIe because the VRAM is physically a different chip. But in XBox Series X land, VRAM and RAM are literally the same chips, no copying needed.

#43

windwhirl

dragontamer5788I find it hard to believe that Microsoft would design a SOC like the XBox Series X and ignore this simple and useful optimization. I see that Microsoft is playing cute games with its 10+6 GB layout, but I'm pretty sure they're just saying that CPUs use less memory bandwidth, so 10GB of fast-RAM + 6GB of slow-RAM is intended for the CPU to use slow-RAM and GPU to use fast-RAM. But both CPU+GPU should have access to both halfs.

The Xbox has been using the Windows kernel for years now, just with less baggage. It wouldn't be entirely strange if the memory management scheme kept being fundamentally similar to standard Windows. Besides, HyperV is also involved, so that may have an effect in how memore is manged too.

#44

Wirko

dragontamer5788But in XBox Series X land, VRAM and RAM are literally the same chips, no copying needed.

Isn't that the case with every Intel and AMD processor with integrated graphics? At least since Haswell for Intel (AnandTech) and since Kaveri for AMD (Wikipedia).

#45

Darmok N Jalad

ValantarOh, no, that's not the LLC. LLC is SoC-wide L3(ish) where cores, ML cores and likely gpu all have access, illustrated with that 3*8 block grid to the lower right of the cores in that diagram. If the L2 is 24MB, I would expect the LLC to be far, far larger than that given the relative size in the diagram. 128MB? 256?

Anandtech is speculating it’s probably 64MB on the Max, 32MB on the Pro. They are looking at the actual die shots (provided in the presentation, interestingly), not the illustrative diagram Apple used in the presentation.
www.anandtech.com/show/17019/apple-announced-m1-pro-m1-max-giant-new-socs-with-allout-performance

#46

Aquinus

Resident Wat-man

If Apple isn't over-hyping the M1 Max, then it should bend over and spank my i9 9880h and Radeon Pro 5600m all while retaining the option of having 64GB of memory, while using the same or less power. I'm not going to lie, that's impressive, as it should for a freaking massive die. Of course, I've been saving my extra kidney for this special occasion. :laugh:

Edit: Holy crap. The pricing is about equal for what I paid for my almost-loaded 2019 16".

#47

TheoneandonlyMrK

AquinusIf Apple isn't over-hyping the M1 Max, then it should bend over and spank my i9 9880h and Radeon Pro 5600m all while retaining the option of having 64GB of memory, while using the same or less power. I'm not going to lie, that's impressive, as it should for a freaking massive die. Of course, I've been saving my extra kidney for this special occasion. :laugh:

6K , with what sounds like 3.5k minimum spend for 32 GB ram, and in some cases it's said (look around I'm not posting links to other tech sites)to be beat by the outgoing Intel 9th gen chip's sooo, there's that.
I mean it gets beat while being more efficient though for sure.:,p

I'm sure reviews and time will sort it out though it's early and speculative yet.

#48

dragontamer5788

WirkoIsn't that the case with every Intel and AMD processor with integrated graphics? At least since Haswell for Intel (AnandTech) and since Kaveri for AMD (Wikipedia).

Yeah, its not a new feature at all.

windwhirlThe Xbox has been using the Windows kernel for years now, just with less baggage. It wouldn't be entirely strange if the memory management scheme kept being fundamentally similar to standard Windows. Besides, HyperV is also involved, so that may have an effect in how memore is manged too.

But as Wirko has pointed out: this isn't new at all. Intel / AMD chips have been doing zero-copy transfers on Windows for nearly a decade now on its iGPUs.

Yes, that is even on Windows 10, which is HyperV virtualized for security purposes. (The most secure parts of Windows start up in a separate VM these days, so that not even a kernel-level hack can reach those secrets... unless it also includes a VM-break of some kind)

Now don't get me wrong: XBox Series X has a weird / complicated memory scheme going on. But I'd still expect that this extremely strange memory scheme was unified, much akin to AMD's Kaveri or Intel iGPU stuffs that you'd find on any typical iGPU for the past decade.

#49

Arc1t3ct

The M1 Max, at least on paper, makes every other CPU seem like a decade out of date... How can this be?

#50

Bomby569

Good for them. It would be nicer if it didn't came from Apple as i have absolutely no intention of buying anything from them.

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