Saturday, October 23rd 2021

Intel Xe-HPG Arc Alchemist Graphics Card Alleged Pricing Points Towards $650-$825 Range

Intel's Arc Alchemist lineup of graphics cards, based on Xe-HPG GPU configuration, is nearing the launch. With the current situation with AMD and NVIDIA GPUs outputting graphics card prices over the default MSRP, we wonder how Intel would place pricing of its upcoming GPUs and fit inside the market. And today, we got the first round of speculations based on Intel's Arc Alchemist GPU giveaway called Xe-HPG Scavenger Hunt. There are two principal bundles: one worth $900 that includes Intel Arc merchandise, Xbox Game Pass PC for six months, Intel Premium Arc Alchemist graphics card, and one worth $700 that consists of three months of Xbox Game Pass PC, Intel Arc merchandise, and Intel Performance Arc Alchemist graphics card.

According to some preliminary calculations from Tom's Hardware, we assume that with the $900 bundle containing one Premium Arc Alchemist GPU and other prizes, the card will cost as much as $825 when all things get removed. Going down the ladder, Intel has paired a bundle worth $700 with a Performance Arc GPU, which is roughly worth $650 on its own. It indicates that the two Intel Performance and Premium Arch Alchemist graphics cards are respectfully worth $650 and $825. What will the final pricing look like? We don't know. However, we assume that it could be very similar to this. For more information we have to wait for the official launch.
Sources: Reddit, via Tom's Hardware
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128 Comments on Intel Xe-HPG Arc Alchemist Graphics Card Alleged Pricing Points Towards $650-$825 Range

#101
trparky
GURU7OF9It's all about the $$$$$$$$$...
Yep. And anyone who doesn't know that is just fooling themselves.
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#102
AusWolf
A tempting offer on price would have been a good way to introduce their first line of cards to the world. I guess they don't have to care in a market where people are happy to buy any overpriced piece of crap.
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#103
GURU7OF9
AusWolfA tempting offer on price would have been a good way to introduce their first line of cards to the world. I guess they don't have to care in a market where people are happy to buy any overpriced piece of crap.
Exactly
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#104
jaszy
GURU7OF9Yes but they are supposedly on 6nm and won't affect Apple at all . Intel have already said they are happy to sell to miners and anyone for that matter. The prices are also not goung to be cheap either from what we have seen so far.
If you thought you were going to get a great discount think again, which leads me back to my original comment they are planning on cashing in bigtime anyway they can .
Its all about the $$$$$$$$$...
Apples currently on 5NP for latest phones. Enhancement node of 5N. or "5nm+"

I'll laugh when people start to justify sub 150mm2 "entry" dies being sold at $400+ USD MSRP. The market is making Apple of all companies look like a value company. It's mind boggling.
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#105
sixor
It feels like ageia physx again lol
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#106
Unregistered
Intel never were good at making GPUs and especially drivers for them, furthermore, all know how they lost their battle to AMD on CPU market.
Now they are taking the android approach with big.little cores because they still cannot get a better process just to say to the world how they are innovating
while doing something which has already been done in the past.
All these prices... We already knew they would be steep and a lot of us already know that the GPUs won't be good enough for any price.
NEVER will I buy their graphics cards.
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#107
bobbyrooney
will the one person that ever buys it let us know if its any good?
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#108
Luminescent
Read somewhere recently that someone at TSMC said production is better now and doesn't understand why some still report major shortages, i quote

TSMC Alleges Some Customers Are Hoarding Chips Creating Artificial Shortages

Good job Amd,Nvidia, Intel and others.
While some fanboys here fight about how one is better than the other they are laughing and ripping us off, they will never give up this shortages thing.
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#109
Caring1
LuminescentRead somewhere recently that someone at TSMC said production is better now and doesn't understand why some still report major shortages, i quote

TSMC Alleges Some Customers Are Hoarding Chips Creating Artificial Shortages

Good job Amd,Nvidia, Intel and others.
While some fanboys here fight about how one is better than the other they are laughing and ripping us off, they will never give up this shortages thing.
On the subject of price fixing, were you aware that if America released all the gold it has in storage onto the market at once, it would practically be worthless.
It only holds value due to it's scarcity.
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#110
Luminescent
If they keep this up these gpu's will be worth more than gold, just saw ads of people servicing and maintaining video cards.
I pray my card will have a long long life.
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#111
trsttte
LuminescentGood job Amd,Nvidia, Intel and others.
While some fanboys here fight about how one is better than the other they are laughing and ripping us off, they will never give up this shortages thing.
That's a very misguided idea, people on tech forums sometimes seem to think that only Amd, Nvidia, Intel, (insert whatever relevant tech product is in the discussion context) exist when there's literally thousands of different things that need to be made either at TSMC or any other of the dozens of semi fab companies.

Talking specifically about that article were TSMC head mentions stockpiling, he clearly mentions they don't know where it's happening in the supply chain (i mean of course they have some ideas), so any number of parts or different suppliers might be playing the market here - and I mean any supplier, mosfets, diodes, controllers of any type, all that shit needs to be fabbed and packaged somewhere. Processor core dies are far from the only thing in short supply even if they're indeed one of the hardest to manufacture.
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#112
Unregistered
I don't know why are people stoked about Intel discrete GPUs...
I had several of their integrated ones and always had problems with them.
Why should with discrete be any better, if anything, it should be worse.
Regarding prices, everything tech nowadays is 100 percent more and above,
if someone has to bite the bullet and buy a graphics card because either what they have is dead or nearing end of life,
they will go with AMD or Nvidia.
Why buy something from first generation of GPUs when you have the option to buy something that's been refining for years?
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#113
trparky
LuminescentIf they keep this up these gpu's will be worth more than gold, just saw ads of people servicing and maintaining video cards.
No, if this keeps up gaming as we know it on the PC will be dead. At this point they might as well just call it what they are, mining cards.

I've gotten to the point where I don't even get excited about new games since I'll probably never going to be able to buy let alone afford to buy the hardware to play those new games. Mark my words, if these graphics card shortages end up lasting much longer this is going to affect the gaming industry in the sense that game developers are going to stop investing as much money into making games since who's going to have the hardware to play them. Get ready folks, if you hated DLC then get ready for even more along with even more loot boxes.

RIP PC gaming, it was nice while it lasted.

As much as this might sounds like heresy, I hope that game companies start taking Apple with their M1 Pro and M1 Max chips seriously. At least they have graphics capabilities built into the chip that's at least worth more than a bucket of warm spit. Yes, AMD does have APUs but performance when compared to what the M1 Pro and M1 Max has they're lackluster at best. Come on AMD, you guys need to do better already; you guys might be the only thing that saves PC gaming as we know it.
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#114
trsttte
trparkyNo, if this keeps up gaming as we know it on the PC will be dead. At this point they might as well just call it what they are, mining cards.

I've gotten to the point where I don't even get excited about new games since I'll probably never going to be able to buy let alone afford to buy the hardware to play those new games. Mark my words, if these graphics card shortages end up lasting much longer this is going to affect the gaming industry in the sense that game developers are going to stop investing as much money into making games since who's going to have the hardware to play them. Get ready folks, if you hated DLC then get ready for even more along with even more loot boxes.

RIP PC gaming, it was nice while it lasted.

As much as this might sounds like heresy, I hope that game companies start taking Apple with their M1 Pro and M1 Max chips seriously. At least they have graphics capabilities built into the chip that's at least worth more than a bucket of warm spit. Yes, AMD does have APUs but performance when compared to what the M1 Pro and M1 Max has they're lackluster at best. Come on AMD, you guys need to do better already; you guys might be the only thing that saves PC gaming as we know it.
I think that's the wrong way to think about it, prices will get down again and developers focusing on storytelling instead of just pushing higher graphics is not entirely a bad thing. Just look at what they're able to do with consoles where they need to stretch every tiny bit of performance.

New hardware is cool, we might not be able to get it or afford it at first but give it a year or two and will be able to rip the benefits without paying for the early adopter tax
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#115
trparky
trsttteprices will get down again
I'm glad someone around here has that kind of optimism because I sure don't.
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#116
GURU7OF9
PCs will live on no matter what !
Never ever question that !
Difficult times will pass but PC'S will live on!
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#117
Luminescent
trsttteThat's a very misguided idea, people on tech forums sometimes seem to think that only Amd, Nvidia, Intel, (insert whatever relevant tech product is in the discussion context) exist when there's literally thousands of different things that need to be made either at TSMC or any other of the dozens of semi fab companies.

Talking specifically about that article were TSMC head mentions stockpiling, he clearly mentions they don't know where it's happening in the supply chain (i mean of course they have some ideas), so any number of parts or different suppliers might be playing the market here - and I mean any supplier, mosfets, diodes, controllers of any type, all that shit needs to be fabbed and packaged somewhere. Processor core dies are far from the only thing in short supply even if they're indeed one of the hardest to manufacture.
Then why apple doesn't have a problem ? no scalping there ehh, or mobile phones from hundreds of brands, no problem there either, i don't see samsung galaxy or iphones being sold at 5 times more because of the chips shortages.
This is stupid, we all see it.
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#118
trsttte
LuminescentThen why apple doesn't have a problem ? no scalping there ehh, or mobile phones from hundreds of brands, no problem there either, i don't see samsung galaxy or iphones being sold at 5 times more because of the chips shortages.
This is stupid, we all see it.
Different markets, differents demand, different allocations. GPU have a big crypto demand right now, as do building new computers. Phones are kind of constant, now maybe a bit less because people are at home so no need for new phones (although it's increasing because everyone killed their batteries while at home and need a new phone :D). And I mean, did you see what happened when the Airpods max released? They were also scalped hard, it just didn't last anywhere near as long because it's a different type of product.

Talking specifically of Apple, they are usually masters at managing a stable supply chain but are now also feeling the burn of shortages (just as toyota, they were also resisting relatively well but started feeling the shortages a month or two ago), and where fabbing their SoCs is concerned they are happily overpaying for most of the capacity of a node that is not yet very mature (5nm) because their gross margin is huge either way with the prices they charge for their stupid iPhones and everything else.
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#119
Adam Krazispeed
screwem all amd inteal and nvidai DIY PC & GAMINg ARE DEAD, IM GOING TO CONSOLE, K+JUST GOT ME A a SERIES X for 499 usd so F**k PC IM OUT THE PC MASTER RACE CUZ OF GPU PRICES... IM GOING BACK TO CONSOLES FUK THIS..


NOTHING WITH GPU ARE GONNA CHANGE UNLESS WE GET THE SOCIALIST LEFT AND SLEEPY JOE BIDEN OUT AND TRUMP BACK IN ADN HE FIX THE F***ING SUPPL CHAIN TAHT IS SO F***KED RIGHT NOW!!

F**K THE DEEPSTATE
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#120
RandallFlagg
Adam Krazispeedscrewem all amd inteal and nvidai DIY PC & GAMINg ARE DEAD, IM GOING TO CONSOLE, K+JUST GOT ME A a SERIES X for 499 usd so F**k PC IM OUT THE PC MASTER RACE CUZ OF GPU PRICES... IM GOING BACK TO CONSOLES FUK THIS..


NOTHING WITH GPU ARE GONNA CHANGE UNLESS WE GET THE SOCIALIST LEFT AND SLEEPY JOE BIDEN OUT AND TRUMP BACK IN ADN HE FIX THE F***ING SUPPL CHAIN TAHT IS SO F***KED RIGHT NOW!!

F**K THE DEEPSTATE
Tilt.
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#121
Dux
Prices will be insane. The main problem is mining, not chip shortage. Even when new fabs open, i doubt there will be decrease in prices. Better availability yes, but not lower prices. Because miners want to buy as many cards as they can. At any price. Talking about those mega mining farms, not some average gamer who wants to play games and mine a little while not gaming on his single card. I am going the way of XBOX Series S or X as well. And i just hope nobody figures out any time soon how to jailbreak new consoles. Because miners would buy all of them as well.
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#124
r9
LuminescentRead somewhere recently that someone at TSMC said production is better now and doesn't understand why some still report major shortages, i quote

TSMC Alleges Some Customers Are Hoarding Chips Creating Artificial Shortages

Good job Amd,Nvidia, Intel and others.
While some fanboys here fight about how one is better than the other they are laughing and ripping us off, they will never give up this shortages thing.
I've said this many many many times and I'll say it again .. just check all these companies earnings since the "shortage" they are all making record profits.
On MSRP of $500 if all the expenses to make and put a card on the shelf is $400 (probable more) they might make $100(probable less), but when selling the same card $1000 they are not doubling the profit $1000 - $400 = $600 vs $100 their profit goes up 6 times.
So can somebody tell me what would their incentive be to rush more cards on the market ???
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#125
RandallFlagg
r9I've said this many many many times and I'll say it again .. just check all these companies earnings since the "shortage" they are all making record profits.
On MSRP of $500 if all the expenses to make and put a card on the shelf is $400 (probable more) they might make $100(probable less), but when selling the same card $1000 they are not doubling the profit $1000 - $400 = $600 vs $100 their profit goes up 6 times.
So can somebody tell me what would their incentive be to rush more cards on the market ???
Depends on how long term their view is.

If they keep this up long enough they'll turn around and find their core market for consumer GPUs is gone, moved on. This mostly applies to AMD and Nvidia, but without decent GPUs available the desktop market is likely to crater which would affect Intel and AMD.

It's entirely possible this will push people in unforeseen directions. For example, tablet sales have made a comeback (YoY +12% in 2021 on top of a +19.5% growth in 2020). You can play games on an AppleTV. Oculus Quest 2 is selling gangbusters.

Look at it this way. For the $1000 a 3060 Ti commands today, you can buy an iPad with the A13, an Apple TV, and an Oculus Quest 2. You can even get the upgraded storage on one or two of those for that.
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