These MSRPs are acknowledgement of the messed up market prices due to overdemand and undersupply.

Nvidia and AMD's MSRPs are unrealistic; If Intel's cards release at $650 and $825 and perform at the level of cards with a $650 and $825 street price, then all we really have here is Intel showing a competent understanding of the market value right now. It's vital to stress that when I say "perform" I don't mean the GPU itself, I mean the whole package - GPU, driver support, game profiles, encoder/audio/VRR features.

Should the ETH mining market crash in 2022 after a full transition away from mineable proof-of-work then all GPU prices will need to be adjusted as hundreds of millions of GPUs suddenly saturate the used market. Some miners will surely continue to mine other coins but at present the second most profitable coin will net GPU miners barely half what ETH provides and a huge influx of extra miners to a coin like RVN will immediately ramp up the difficulty and reduce mining profits even further.

Unless other proof-of-work coins massively increase in profitability, I think many miners will cut their losses and the mining boom will be over for another cycle.

cst1992At those prices I'd be surprised if they're sold out. Any of them.

There are fewer of them every day, and in other stores it is even more expensive. Do not compare US prices (often quoted excluding VAT), with European prices. In PL, it is often even more expensive than in the UK. For comparison, the RX 6700 XT in PL costs about 1000 pounds, not 700 ;)

There are lot of comments in this thread expressing disappointment with Intel and pricing, as if those people expected Intel to be the good guys and swoop in to undercut AMD and Nvidia, redefining the price/performance point for the whole market segment.

Can I please just ask what drugs those people are taking? They must be really good.

Intel has never ever behaved like that. Not once since the days of the 286 when I used my first x86 computer have intel been anything other than monopolising profiteers. They will always sell the minimum viable product for the absolute maximum they can get away with. Not only that, they have a criminal track record of cheating, lies, and market manipulation both in strongarming customers into anti-competitive practices and as operating as a cartel member. Various courts around the world have found them guilty and fined them but you cannot assume that the mere slap-on-the-wrist those fines represent will have done anything to change the corrupt mindset that still directs Intel. Figureheads come and go but the owners of Intel who really get a say in the morals/ethics of the company are the same that they've been for several decades.

The only good thing from Intel entering the dGPU market is more supply and more competition which will, in a stable market, improve the experience and reduce prices for us consumers. All we need now is a stable market, something that hasn't really happened for a long time now....

sam_86314LMK when I can get a decent performer (x70-tier) for $300-$400 (which will probably be never).

I wish these prices would get Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA in trouble for price-fixing, but that won't happen.

x60 tier is $330 now.

The $200-250 price point of last decade has changed because of a decade of inflation and China-US trade tariffs. A $300-400 price today is (if you reverse the inflation and remove the trade tariffs) exactly the $200-250 that the x60-tier cards used to cost. It impacts not just US citizens, but global customers of products made in China by US-owned companies.

Chrispy_There are lot of comments in this thread expressing disappointment with Intel and pricing, as if those people expected Intel to be the good guys and swoop in to undercut AMD and Nvidia, redefining the price/performance point for the whole market segment.

Can I please just ask what drugs those people are taking? They must be really good.

Intel has never ever behaved like that. Not once since the days of the 286 when I used my first x86 computer have intel been anything other than monopolising profiteers. They will always sell the minimum viable product for the absolute maximum they can get away with. Not only that, they have a criminal track record of cheating, lies, and market manipulation both in strongarming customers into anti-competitive practices and as operating as a cartel member. Various courts around the world have found them guilty and fined them but you cannot assume that the mere slap-on-the-wrist those fines represent will have done anything to change the corrupt mindset that still directs Intel. Figureheads come and go but the owners of Intel who really get a say in the morals/ethics of the company are the same that they've been for several decades.

The only good thing from Intel entering the dGPU market is more supply and more competition which will, in a stable market, improve the experience and reduce prices for us consumers. All we need now is a stable market, something that hasn't really happened for a long time now....


x60 tier is $330 now.

The $200-250 price point of last decade has changed because of a decade of inflation and China-US trade tariffs. A $300-400 price today is (if you reverse the inflation and remove the trade tariffs) exactly the $200-250 that the x60-tier cards used to cost. Thank the worst US president in the history of the US for this horrible mistake - it impacts not just US citizens, but global customers of products made in China by US-owned companies.

The problem is when AMD released 6600 for $330 everyone started to cry about how high is the price and nobody will buy it even for 330 at the market, but when everyone hear how intel possible will sell cards with performance lower than the current cards with msrp of $500 for 800+ they are so excited how intel chose the right price. I can only say "brainless"

usinameThe problem is when AMD released 6600 for $330 everyone started to cry about how high is the price and nobody will buy it even for 330 at the market, but when everyone hear how intel possible will sell cards with performance lower than the current cards with msrp of $500 for 800+ they are so excited how intel chose the right price. I can only say "brainless"

I think hoping for MSRP to mean anything at all in the current market is futile. The trick is to completely ignore MSRP where the market conditions dictate the pricing and the manufacturers get no real say in the matter.

Distributors are saying that they can't even get the cards from the manufacturers at MSRP which is insane because distributor costs should be much lower than MSRP to allow both distributors and retailers to stay in business.

ETH mining is the primary cause, and that's not going to change for at least 6 months, possibly longer. Keep an eye on whattomine.com if you want to see how profitable mining with GPUs is. Once profitability falls, miners will stop buying all the cards and creating a shortage, supply will finally meet demand and GPU pricing will bottom out for a year or two as all of the ex-mining cards flood the market.

swirl09These polls routinely dont have an answer for me.

Overpriced =/= They are out of their minds.

You're taking the polls too seriously :D

NuCoreThere is no problem with buying Radeons in the UK at the moment. An example from one of the stores (basically every major store has cards).

I considered several cards from here, also one GeForce in the list. However, the XFX RX 6700 XT Merc 319 Black quickly sold out, which I finally bought a few days ago for £729 with delivery.

There's several cards on the market, the problem is the insane prices, AIB already were always higher than the quoted MSRP from AMD/Nvidia but this generation that went all overboard with shortages, tarifs and even retailers marking up the prices

usinameThe problem is when AMD released 6600 for $330 everyone started to cry about how high is the price and nobody will buy it even for 330 at the market, but when everyone hear how intel possible will sell cards with performance lower than the current cards with msrp of $500 for 800+ they are so excited how intel chose the right price. I can only say "brainless"

The problem is the 330$ quoted by AMD doesn't mean shit when the best I can find is 600€. If i can get a performance equivalent to the 3070/3080 for 799$ that would be great since i can only find the 3070/3070ti for over 1000€ anyway

Here it should be remembered that Nvidia, for unknown reasons set the reduced MSRP prices for 3000 series cards. Since such an RTX 3070 had an MSRP price of 469 pounds, and the performance of the RTX 2080 Ti costing more than twice as much.

Later, there were analyzes and comments from card manufacturers that these cards in non-reference versions cannot be sold at a profit at prices close to MSRP.

AMD, having no choice after playing Nvidia, also had to set the MSRP prices detached from reality.

Prices should be looked at objectively (ignoring even covid or problems on the semiconductor and other component market) in terms of price and performance. Still the RX 6700 XT offers performance at the RTX 2080 Ti level and even considering the current prices around 700 pounds for this card is like a promotion with RTX 2080 Ti prices oscillating before the current crisis at the level of 1000-1200 pounds.

People just got too used to the unrealistic MSRP prices of the current generation of cards and forgot about the prices of the previous generation, and some people would still want manufacturers to pay them to install some vendor's graphics card in their computers.

RavenasNot one reference.

Disregarding that the 6800 Xt exists(and might as well since both models cost nearly the same right now), several of the 6900s just different have coolers, with minor or no changes to the reference pcb. Buildzoid made a video breakdown of most the 6900 XT pcbs, Sapphire was the worst offender as they only stretched the reference pcb to add RGB lighting. Even then the ones that can longer be considered reference are just new cooler, slight overclock, barely any or no changes to the pcb IMO that doesn't justify costing 50%- 90% more. Since their sitting on the store shelf I'm not the only one who shares this opinion.

Problem is inflation from mining and those willing to fork over 4000 for a GPU. I'd rather spend 1000 making good memories on a vacation or updating my truck in several areas then squander 3/4 of my bank account on 1 component.

I will not spend 400 on a 6 year old gpu (Reference) either. It very well be an AIB design and in Mint Condition, never abused.

By the time Intel launches these GPUs they will be 1 year old technology and both AMD and nvidia will have already moved forward. I'd rather see a PowerVR/Imagination Technologies Discreet GPU that is a viable contender like 3DFX.

Indeed. Quite steep pricing for this Intel midrange to lowrange thing. Not worth it no matter what. If this it Pat's idea of getting back in the game then they're sadly mistaken. 'Guess all that DLSS-like stuff costs. :)

Dont need those prices, they can fck them self. :toast:

I play atm No Mans Sky and Assassins Creed Odyssey on my PS4 slim, ill 100% on Odyssey (lasts more than 70 hours gametime) :laugh:


The point is companys tell u, u need them u need them like a drug dealer.;)
But for real Odyssey looks pretty nice on the PS4 i dont need max out only cause nvidia, amd and intel mean i should pay 6,7,8,9,1000$ for a gpu.:confused:

For sure im not backward, ill buy the PS5 then if i can get the PS5 Slim.:clap:
Slim is the best with no release bugs etc. et a.. my ps2, ps3 and ps4 Slims working well, my first gen of this Console are all dead (only the ps1 still works).:love:

usinameThe problem is when AMD released 6600 for $330 everyone started to cry about how high is the price and nobody will buy it even for 330 at the market, but when everyone hear how intel possible will sell cards with performance lower than the current cards with msrp of $500 for 800+ they are so excited how intel chose the right price. I can only say "brainless"

Who is this "everyone"? I wouldn't buy either. Especially since that mythical "$330" RX 6600 was more like £420 ($580) right from launch day in many regions...

BSim500Who is this "everyone"? I wouldn't buy either. Especially since that mythical "$330" RX 6600 was more like £420 ($580) right from launch day in many regions...

Huh? Maybe read the comments under the review of powercolor 6600 here in TPU

usinameHuh? Maybe read the comments under the review of powercolor 6600 here in TPU

I did. And the RX 6600 was never "$330" even on launch day in many regions. What I meant though is that at time of writing, 67% of people voted "Are they out of their minds" and only 33% voted "If performance delivers, yes" on the poll. That's kinda the opposite of "everyone here is an Intel fanboy for 'liking' these prices" you wrote. There are plenty of us who think they're both crap without being a fanboy to either...

Stop the insults and flaming. If it's against the rules, use the report button. If it merely offends you for expressing a different opinion from yours, use your common sense and walk away if you have nothing nice to say.

MIRTAZAPINEI guess budget sub $200 like the old RX480 or Gtx 1060 is now dead and would not comeback in a long time. Seem like even low end comes around $500 these days.

this is the new starting low
www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-gt-1030-ph-gt1030-o2g/p/N82E16814126209?Description=gt1030&cm_re=gt1030-_-14-126-209-_-Product&quicklink=true

then a big gap, then $330 MRSP (double that in reality)

I think if AMD comes out with a 6500, its MRSP might be $240 ish, but it might be equivelent to an old 480/1060. I guess we will see when nvidia releases the 3050?

mechtechthis is the new starting low
www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-gt-1030-ph-gt1030-o2g/p/N82E16814126209?Description=gt1030&cm_re=gt1030-_-14-126-209-_-Product&quicklink=true

then a big gap, then $330 MRSP (double that in reality)

I think if AMD comes out with a 6500, its MRSP might be $240 ish, but it might be equivelent to an old 480/1060. I guess we will see when nvidia releases the 3050?

I'm holding for a 6300 at max 150, maybe 200 if they deliver something actually nice price/perf wise, either that or I'm buying an APU

Geezus, Intel has a chance to shake up the gaming market, and what does it do? Charge a premium price for a product that has'nt proved itself at all at this point. We dont know nothing about the driver quality either. We're not talking just one driver release but how fast their driver team catches up upon bug reports, new game releases and all that.

mechtechthis is the new starting low
www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-gt-1030-ph-gt1030-o2g/p/N82E16814126209?Description=gt1030&cm_re=gt1030-_-14-126-209-_-Product&quicklink=true

then a big gap, then $330 MRSP (double that in reality)

I think if AMD comes out with a 6500, its MRSP might be $240 ish, but it might be equivelent to an old 480/1060. I guess we will see when nvidia releases the 3050?

My Bios flased GT710 with 2GB GDDR5 (@46,7GB/s), 954Mhz Stock, Chip: 1346.5 MHz will be hilarius after Maxwell u cant bios flash the gpu, anymore.

Yeah for sure why i cant flash my GT1030? for the reason the chip can do a much higher clock and bring much more performance, but nvidia say not via bios flash :)


At the end my GT 730 (BIOS flashed, 4GB GGDR5) have the similar perfromance like a GT 1030, but 2 GB more of its GDDR5 against the 1030:slap:



Yeah u can have 4 GB with the 1030 but only with DDR4 after that u slower than a Stock GT 710 with 2GB GDDR5:nutkick:
This 4GB DDR4 GT 1030 is slower than any APU before its sloewer than about 40% than a A8 IGP from 2010 compared with DDR3 1866 :)

ZoneDymoReally.....say something nice or nothing at all huh? thats the new policy here? good to know....looking forward to the future of tpu's comment section.
And I have used the report button, does not seem to do anything so I guess I kinda have a feel for where the line is and its quite generous, ill stick closely to that line then myself as well, even if that means that imo the quality of this website goes downhill.

Like I said, cant beat em (by reporting) join em (by posting equally mindless fanboy nonsense)

The message wasn't directed towards you in particular, but since you decided you needed to get a word in -

It's not new isn't some revolutionary addition to basic online etiquette. Responding to bait/insults isn't helping the quality of the discussion in any way. Not my words:

Posting in a thread

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While Intel is clearly out of touch with reality, I have to say that this is a very unfortunate time to enter this market anyway. So if they screw up, at least it wont be their fault entirely.

I actually think the Intel offerings MSRP will wind up being unrealistically low unless they have sufficient volume to fill the channel. I had given up on GPUs early this year and didn't look again until recently, but nothing has changed.

Intel's first two chips are supposedly in the area of RTX 3070 & 3080 performance, based on their core count and the DG1 performance that sounds about right. For the upper end part here at $825, that is the bottom end of current 3060 Ti pricing. If Intel's cards actually sell for that amount and are available, I'll be surprised.

Vya DomusWhile Intel is clearly out of touch with reality, I have to say that this is a very unfortunate time to enter this market anyway. So if they screw up, at least it wont be their fault entirely.

Unfortunate how? Nvidia and AMD are selling 6600's and 3060s like hotcakes. The market is starved for graphics -- if you're going to release a turd and have it sell out now is the best time ever. They almost can't screw it up.

phanbueyThe market is starved for graphics -- if you're going to release a turd and have it sell out now is the best time ever. They almost can't screw it up.

Turd or not these will still go straight to miners. They're going to enter the discreet GPU segment and the target consumer base wont even see one. They might be able to make money now but long term this is a catastrophe for their brand recognition.

There are people out there that don't even know AMD is making GPUs, imagine how this will go for Intel.

Vya DomusWhile Intel is clearly out of touch with reality, I have to say that this is a very unfortunate time to enter this market anyway. So if they screw up, at least it wont be their fault entirely.

phanbueyUnfortunate how? Nvidia and AMD are selling 6600's and 3060s like hotcakes. The market is starved for graphics -- if you're going to release a turd and have it sell out now is the best time ever. They almost can't screw it up.

This is the "unfortunate" truth. If those cards can mine, there is a virtually infinite demand for them at very juice margins. Intel is doing the same thing AMD, NVIDIA and third-party companies are doing, trying to get as big a slice from the miners as they can manage. ETH just shifted their switch to PoS again. (to 2022, since 2017).
Also, all of them are more than happy to set 400€-500€ as the new "midrange price bracket" and push everything above it further up, if this "demand" gets matched by production again.