Typical Nvidia :slap:

This should be illegal.

Sorry Nvidia. Already have three air conditions, air heater and central heating in my house. I am ready for winter.

No "G" in the codename means this isn't supposed to be a consumer product most likely, A100 for example was a completely different architecture from the Ampere used in consumer products. That doesn't mean I don't believe that they are capable of introducing cards with such ridiculous TGPs to the masses.

PapaTaipeiThis should be illegal.

While I'm not gonna be looking to put a >600W+ part in my rig...
"Do more, with less" scaled up, may often appear as simply "more". As long as overall Performance Per Watt is increasing, we are still moving forward.

Think of the Steam Shovel, Jet Engines, or even Aluminum (yes, simply the material aluminum). All use considerably more resources than what they supplanted but allowed utilities well beyond what came before it.
Perhaps another more personal example, is how homes in the US moved from ~50A-<100A residential mains service to 200A being rather common. We have more appliances that save us time, multiply our labors, etc.
(We've also moved from illumination being a large part of our daily power use to appliances/tools and entertainment devices. Increases in efficiency (and overall decreases in consumption) in one area can allow for 'more budget' in another)
Should a homeowner or business be barred from using a welder, electric oven, etc. just because it uses a lot of current? Should we just ignore the multiplication of labor and utility?

In the history of technology, there has always been an increase in apparent resource consumption as overall efficiency increases and/or ability to do work multiplies.

You only got just one job AMD, just one job.... :slap:

LabRat 891While I'm not gonna be looking to put a >600W+ part in my rig...
"Do more, with less" scaled up, may often appear as simply "more". As long as overall Performance Per Watt is increasing, we are still moving forward.

It's not increasing that much with these stupidly overlocked cards, look at Apple ~ go wider or go home! This is why HBM(3) is the way to go, it's a lot more efficient than these monster power hungry GDDR6x cards.

The A100 was 400W max and we got 3090ti with 450W TGP
So if this AD102 is 900W TGP
Please expect 450/400 * 900 = 1012W TGP for our next performance champion :toast:

And people whine about ADL :laugh:

Go Nvidia :peace:

That picture is of an Nvidia H100 CNX DPU: www.nvidia.com/en-gb/data-center/h100cnx/

R0H1TIt's not increasing that much with these stupidly overlocked cards, look at Apple ~ go wider or go home! This is why HBM(3) is the way to go, it's a lot more efficient than these monster power hungry GDDR6x cards.

Rhein7You only got just one job AMD, just one job.... :slap:

These are related. Though, memory does constitute a large part of the power use. Unless bonding techniques have improved greatly however, HBM is quite spendy.

AMD *currently* has the lead on chiplet/MCM designs. They're already ahead of the curve on addressing the 'issues' with smaller and smaller lithography, as well as the problems with poor perf/W scaling as frequencies increase in monolithic ASICs. Rather than 'going big' or 'going wide' in a single chip, they 'glue on more girth'
nVidia and Intel are not ignoring MCM whatsoever; hence my emphasis on AMD only being 'currently' ahead. I see the Intel-headed multi-company effort to standardize MCM/Chiplet design and implementation potentially changing that AMD-held lead.

add to that a 1 KW CPU :)

I wonder if Nvidia considered that consumers have to pay for electricity. I could not justify paying for an additional 1kw of service.

Its the drawback of going one big monolitic chip design. AMD on the other hands opts for MGM based GPU's, multiple smaller GPU's combined as one.

900 watt o_O

My electric bill :fear:

That's to much, no matter what it cost I am not buying a freaking 900 watt card.

gmn 17add to that a 1 KW CPU :)

And power it through a 5A socket :D

JismIts the drawback of going one big monolitic chip design. AMD on the other hands opts for MGM based GPU's, multiple smaller GPU's combined as one.

True for AMD just not in the GPU space, as yet. The earliest you can see an MCM based GPU is probably next year.

A 900W GPU is just stupid. Imagine that heat dumped in your case with a air cooler. No doubt EK will be straight on it with a £400 full cover block for this.

"it could be the most powerful, Titan-like design making a comeback"

3090/3090 Ti is a Titan but branded as a GeForce.

TiggerA 900W GPU is just stupid. Imagine that heat dumped in your case with a air cooler. No doubt EK will be straight on it with a £400 full cover block for this.

case? refrigerator is the place where you keep those 900W things.
I need to start playing on my vacuum since it really uses less power. If that could only be possible. Heck, my fridge uses less than this card will.

Hey my AC uses less power than this electronic Hummer :nutkick:

This flagship/halo nonsense is irrelevant.

There's no point getting a GPU for gaming that's any more than 2-3x the performance of current-gen consoles. Games need to run at 4K on those, because that's what the console manufacturers promised.
What that means for games is that you can crank the settings a bit higher and increase the framerate but realistically the games aren't going to be much more demanding until the next generation of consoles lands.

If current consoles are running AAA games at 60fps and dynamic resolution of 1200-1800p in 4K mode on hardware that is roughly equivalent to a 6700XT (XBOX) or slightly improved 6600XT (PS5) then there's really not likely to be anything coming from developers that pushes beyond the comfort zone of those equivalent cards. Lovelace flagships with stupid 900W power draw will be superseded by another generation or two for sure by the time they're needed. It would be like buying a TitanXP for $1200 5 years ago and having it soundly beaten by newer technology with new feature set just a couple of years later at $700, or matched by a $329 card four years later at half the power draw.

For the period of time the TitanXP was a flagship, there were no games that pushed it hard enough to justify the spend. Those games arrived about 3 years later when it was no longer a flagship and could no longer justify either its power draw or purchase price.

I'm not saying that stupidly-powerful, wastefully-inefficient, offensively-expensive flagships shouldn't exist, I'm just saying that 99.9+% of the gaming population shouldn't have any reason to care about them, or what the rich choose to throw their money away on.

This is a weapon of mass destruction!

It's true that more energy intensive machine now do more. But they do WAY more and are still efficient when you compare the amount of energy in versus the work done.

With those cards, if a card running at 900w is 2 time faster than a card running at 300w, i could say, ok maybe, we are on something. But it's more likely that this card will be less than 50% more than a a 300w CPU, it's not progress.

I really doubt that it will be more than 50% more powerful than the same chip running at 300w but i may be wrong. Also, we need to consider that those are gaming card. They don't build infrastructure or house. They are just entertainment machine.

to me i think 250w is the sweat spot and 300/350w is really the upper limit of what i can tolerate. i wouldn't want to get a 900w heater in my PC. i would have to cool the case, then find a way to cool the room. If you don't have air conditioning in your room forget that during the summer.


To me, it's just Nvidia not wanting to lose max perf of next generation being slow on chiplet and taking crazy decision to stay on top.

don't sweat it, VRMs are just overengineered.

well you need this halo non sense for 4K120 in elden Ring. 4080 Ti / 90 for sure, 4080 won't cut it. Since +60% is the golden rule improvement that can be expected and 3080 delivers only 60FPS.

Holy crap. 900w? Just for the card? Jeez thats small domestic appliance territory. I suppose if you can afford the card you can afford the power use. Thats just utterly nuts.