Monday, May 23rd 2022

AMD Unveils 5 nm Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" Desktop Processors & AM5 DDR5 Platform

AMD today unveiled its next-generation Ryzen 7000 desktop processors, based on the Socket AM5 desktop platform. The new Ryzen 7000 series processors introduce the new "Zen 4" microarchitecture, with the company claiming a 15% single-threaded uplift over "Zen 3" (16-core/32-thread Zen 4 processor prototype compared to a Ryzen 9 5950X). Other key specs about the architecture put out by AMD include a doubling in per-core L2 cache to 1 MB, up from 512 KB on all older versions of "Zen." The Ryzen 7000 desktop CPUs will boost to frequencies above 5.5 GHz. Based on the way AMD has worded their claims, it seems that the "+15%" number includes IPC gains, plus gains from higher clocks, plus what the DDR4 to DDR5 transition achieves. With Zen 4, AMD is introducing a new instruction set for AI compute acceleration. The transition to the LGA1718 Socket AM5 allows AMD to use next-generation I/O, including DDR5 memory, and PCI-Express Gen 5, both for the graphics card, and the M.2 NVMe slot attached to the CPU socket.

Much like Ryzen 3000 "Matisse," and Ryzen 5000 "Vermeer," the Ryzen 7000 "Raphael" desktop processor is a multi-chip module with up to two "Zen 4" CCDs (CPU core dies), and one I/O controller die. The CCDs are built on the 5 nm silicon fabrication process, while the I/O die is built on the 6 nm process, a significant upgrade from previous-generation I/O dies that were built on 12 nm. The leap to 5 nm for the CCD enables AMD to cram up to 16 "Zen 4" cores per socket, all of which are "performance" cores. The "Zen 4" CPU core is larger, on account of more number-crunching machinery to achieve the IPC increase and new instruction-sets, as well as the larger per-core L2 cache. The cIOD packs a pleasant surprise—an iGPU based on the RDNA2 graphics architecture! Now most Ryzen 7000 processors will pack integrated graphics, just like Intel Core desktop processors.
The Socket AM5 platform is capable of up to 24 PCI-Express 5.0 lanes from the processor. 16 of these are meant for the PCI-Express graphics slots (PEG), while four of these go toward an M.2 NVMe slot attached to the CPU—if you recall, Intel "Alder Lake" processors have 16 Gen 5 lanes toward PEG, but the CPU-attached NVMe slot runs at Gen 4. The processor features dual-channel DDR5 (four sub-channel) memory, identical to "Alder Lake," but with no DDR4 memory support. Unlike Intel, the AM5 Socket retains cooler compatibility with AM4, so the cooler you have sitting on your Ryzen CPU right now, will work perfectly fine.

The platform also puts out up to 14 USB 20 Gbps ports, including type-C. With onboard graphics now making it to most processor models, motherboards will feature up to four DisplayPort 2 or HDMI 2.1 ports. The company will also standardize Wi-Fi 6E + Bluetooth WLAN solutions it co-developed with MediaTek, weaning motherboard designers away from Intel-made WLAN solutions.

At its launch, in Fall 2022, AMD's AM5 platform will come with three motherboard chipset options—the AMD X670 Extreme (X670E), the AMD X670, and the AMD B650. The X670 Extreme was probably made by re-purposing the new-generation 6 nm cIOD die to work as a motherboard chipset, which means its 24 PCIe Gen 5 lanes work toward building an "all Gen 5" motherboard platform. The X670 (non-extreme), is very likely a rebadged X570, which means you get up to 20 Gen 4 PCIe lanes from the chipset, while retaining PCIe Gen 5 PEG and CPU-attached NVMe connectivity. The B650 chipset is designed to offer Gen 4 PCIe PEG, Gen 5 CPU-attached NVMe, and likely Gen 3 connectivity from the chipset.
AMD is betting big on next-generation M.2 NVMe SSDs with PCI-Express Gen 5, and is gunning to be the first desktop platform with PCIe Gen 5-based M.2 slots. The company is said to be working with Phison to optimize the first round of Gen 5 SSDs for the platform.
All major motherboard vendors are ready with Socket AM5 motherboards. AMD showcased a handful, including the ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme, the ASRock X670E Taichi, MSI MEG X670E ACE, GIGABYTE X670E AORUS Xtreme, and the BIOSTAR X670E Valkyrie.

AMD is working to introduce several platform-level innovations like it did with Smart Access Memory with its Radeon RX 6000 series, which builds on top of the PCIe Resizable BAR technology by the PCI-SIG. The new AMD Smart Access Storage technology builds on Microsoft DirectStorage, by adding AMD platform-awareness, and optimization for AMD CPU and GPU architectures. DirectStorage enables direct transfers between a storage device and the GPU memory, without the data having to route through the CPU cores. In terms of power delivery Zen 4 uses the same SVI3 voltage control interface that we saw introduced on the Ryzen Mobile 6000 Series. For desktop this means the ability to address a higher number of VRM phases and to process voltage changes much faster than with SVI2 on AM4.
Taking a closer look at the AMD Footnotes, "RPL-001", we find out that the "15% IPC gain" figure is measured using Cinebench and compares a Ryzen 9 5950X processor (not 5800X3D), on a Socket AM4 platform with DDR4-3600 CL16 memory, to the new Zen 4 platform running at DDR5-6000 CL30 memory. If we go by the measurements from our Alder Lake DDR5 Performance Scaling article, then this memory difference alone will account for roughly 5% of the 15% gains.

The footnotes also reference a "RPL-003" claim that's not used anywhere in our pre-briefing slide deck, but shown in the video presentation. In the presentation we're seeing a live demo comparison between a "Ryzen 7000 Series" processor and Intel's Core i9-12900K "Alder Lake." It's worth mentioning here that AMD isn't disclosing the exact processor model, only that it's a 16-core part, if we follow the Zen 3 naming, that would probably be the Ryzen 9 7950X flagship. The comparison runs the Blender rendering software, which loads all CPU cores. Here we see the Ryzen 7000 chip finish the task in 204 seconds, compared to the i9-12900K and its 297 seconds time, which is a huge 31% difference—very impressive. It's worth mentioning that the memory configurations are slightly mismatched. Intel is running with DDR5-6000 CL30, whereas the Ryzen is tested with DDR5-6400 CL32—lower latency for Intel, higher MHz for Ryzen. While ideally we'd like to see identical memory used, the differences due to the memory configuration should be very small.
AMD is targeting a Fall 2022 launch for the Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" desktop processor family, which would put this sometime between September thru October. The company is likely to detail the "Zen 4" microarchitecture and the Ryzen 7000 SKU list in the coming weeks.

Update 21:00 UTC: AMD has clarified that the 170 W PPT power numbers seen are the absolute max limits, not "typical" like the 105 W, on Zen 3, which were often exceeded during heavy usage.

Update May 26th: AMD further clarified that the 170 W number is "TDP", not "PPT", which means that when the usual x1.35 factor is applied, actual power usage can go up to 230 W.

You can watch the whole presentation again at YouTube:
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211 Comments on AMD Unveils 5 nm Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" Desktop Processors & AM5 DDR5 Platform

#26
rrrrex
PCI-E 5.0 x16 is what you need for low/mid end gpu with 4 GB of VRAM, but amd doesn't want to make it real.
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#27
TheLostSwede
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tabascosauzAll in all, feels pretty familiar from AM4. I'm not concerned with the hardware, more with how AMD plans to improve their overall poopy approach to firmware/software. Hopefully AM5 is a new start for AGESA and they start taking a bit more initiative with ryzen master - the way they take 1 step forward and 2 steps back, that laptop and desktop marketshare ain't going anywhere
I guess they won't start from scratch, but they obviously don't need any kind of backwards compatibility, since you can't plonk an AM4 CPU into an AM5 board.
As someone that jumped on X370 and X570 early on, the AGESA really is AMD's weakness, as in the first case it took about nine months to get an almost fully working platform as promised and in the second case it took six months.
That said, it seems like Intel has been getting a bit sloppy with their UEFI builds at launch too, but that doesn't mean AMD should be allowed to get away with it.
Consumers shouldn't be beta testers every time a new product is launched.
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#28
ARF
rrrrexPCI-E 5.0 x16 is what you need for low/mid end gpu with 4 GB of VRAM, but amd doesn't want to make it real.
The scary thing here is if AMD decided to make the Radeon RX 7400 with PCIe 5 x2 connectivity. Then we are all screwed all along :banghead:

:kookoo:
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#29
Ferrum Master
TheLostSwedeConsumers shouldn't be beta testers every time a new product is launched.
It has become an ill trend everywhere, software and HW... I almost have a feeling they do it on purpose to cut prices.
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#30
ARF
Ferrum MasterIt has become an ill trend everywhere, software and HW... I almost have a feeling they do it on purpose to cut prices.
But they don't cut the prices, they keep them at the same levels, while significantly decrease the overall quality of the SW/HW...
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#31
Ferrum Master
ARFBut they don't cut the prices, they keep them at the same levels, while significantly decrease the overall quality of the SW/HW...
Cut prices ie labor cost for themselves to increase margin... If you didn't get the idea.
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#32
zlobby
oxrufiioxoI also feel it won't be enough especially if the rumored 10-15% ST performance improvements for Raptor Lake are true...
You buy CPU for their spec sheet or to get a job done? If it is the latter, then there are other CPU and solutions that are fater than Raptor Lake.
And that is a big 'if'. Intel really don't show much performance uplift gen-over-gen.
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#33
Richards
W1zzardThis footnote is for a Ryzen 6000 slide btw



For me too, finally people don't complain about my reviews being terrible, because I'm mentioning "no IGP"
You should switch to the 5800x3d for gpu tests. Its 15% faster than your current 5800x
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#34
zlobby
Ferrum MasterCut prices ie labor cost for themselves to increase margin... If you didn't get the idea.
People shoul really get in their thick skulls - companies optimize their expenses ONLY to increase profit margins.
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#35
tabascosauz
TheLostSwedeI guess they won't start from scratch, but they obviously don't need any kind of backwards compatibility, since you can't plonk an AM4 CPU into an AM5 board.
As someone that jumped on X370 and X570 early on, the AGESA really is AMD's weakness, as in the first case it took about nine months to get an almost fully working platform as promised and in the second case it took six months.
That said, it seems like Intel has been getting a bit sloppy with their UEFI builds at launch too, but that doesn't mean AMD should be allowed to get away with it.
Consumers shouldn't be beta testers every time a new product is launched.
The hardware makes me want to stay, because everything is familiar and we get better/more affordable/more balanced ITX boards and the Impact (I fear what 2 x PCH means for the Impact)......but man, the firmware just pulls me in the other direction. From 1004 up until 1203c we had a nice thing going, but AMD really been evaporating all our hopes with the AGESA since then (1207 seems finally okay again)

Perhaps it's a TSMC thing, but every one of their SKUs seems to improve SP significantly over time. Too eager on 3700X (mid-2019) and got garbage, too eager on 4650G and got bad SP, too eager on 5900X and got a bad clocking sample, too eager on 5700G and got bad IF. Maybe I'll wait it out.
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#36
Richards
Raptor lake will eat it up on single performance.. meteor lake will increase the gap to 45% in single core performance before they respond with zen 5
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#37
W1zzard
RichardsYou should switch to the 5800x3d for gpu tests. Its 15% faster than your current 5800x
www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/18.html

Kinda wrong thread, but I will upgrade the GPU test system this year, whether 12900K, 5800X3D, 7800X or 7900X I don't know yet. "it's easy just switch" takes about two weeks of full-time testing, running benchmarks all day, same scenes over and over again.
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#38
TheLostSwede
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tabascosauzThe hardware makes me want to stay, because everything is familiar and we get better/more affordable/more balanced ITX boards and the Impact (I fear what 2 x PCH means for the Impact)......but man, the firmware just pulls me in the other direction. From 1004 up until 1203c we had a nice thing going, but AMD really been evaporating all our hopes with the AGESA since then (1207 seems finally okay again)

Perhaps it's a TSMC thing, but every one of their SKUs seems to improve SP significantly over time. Too eager on 3700X (mid-2019) and got garbage, too eager on 4650G and got bad SP, too eager on 5900X and got a bad clocking sample, too eager on 5700G and got bad IF. Maybe I'll wait it out.
AMD has a different solution for mini-ITX boards. You'll see soon enough.

I'm not jumping on anything new this year, besides I only recently upgraded to a 5800X as the prices dropped below MSRP locally, which is really quite rare.
W1zzardwww.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/18.html

Kinda wrong thread, but I will upgrade the GPU test system this year, whether 12900K, 5800X3D, 7800X or 7900X I don't know yet. "it's easy just switch" takes about two weeks of full-time testing, running benchmarks all day, same scenes over and over again.
You mean to say that you have a life outside of running benchmarks all day?
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#39
Jermelescu
Hope they'll have Thunderbolt on the mobile versions. I'd love an slim AMD APU laptop that could use an external gpu for more serious gaming.
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#40
gasolina
15% single core boost with 5.4ghz vs the old one 4,9ghz as expected to be around 17% not over 19 or 20%+ , and by clock different it's is 10% in clock speed thus only 5-7% improvement clock to clock. I would skip this crap this happen just like from zen to zen+ and this is zen4+ on 6nm. And on the same thing will happen to raptor lake roughly 3% -5% clock to clock improvement but i'm a bit more curious about intel power consumption for the 13th gen ( i love number 13th )
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#41
Ferrum Master
TheLostSwedeAMD has a different solution for mini-ITX boards. You'll see soon enough.

I'm not jumping on anything new this year, besides I only recently upgraded to a 5800X as the prices dropped below MSRP locally, which is really quite rare.


You mean to say that you have a life outside of running benchmarks all day?
Hey, you should update your CPU-Z banner...

First gens always were raw... DDR5. AM5, well there are no real PCIe gen 4 or 5 devices to skip really, besides storage and unobtainium GPU's. Year or two is a norm IMHO, just because of the open Beta test.
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#42
ARF
Ferrum MasterCut prices ie labor cost for themselves to increase margin... If you didn't get the idea.
Prices is for the end user who buys in the retail shop. Cut costs is something else irrelevant. Choose your wording properly..
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#43
TheLostSwede
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JermelescuHope they'll have Thunderbolt on the mobile versions. I'd love an slim AMD APU laptop that could use an external gpu for more serious gaming.
There's USB4 support, which means Thunderbolt 3 is supported.
Ferrum MasterHey, you should update your CPU-Z banner...
Better?
Ferrum MasterFirst gens always were raw... DDR5. AM5, well there are no real PCIe gen 4 or 5 devices to skip really, besides storage and unobtainium GPU's. Year or two is a norm IMHO, just because of the open Beta test.
Yeah, I really hope, for AMD's sake, that they don't do that again, as it really doesn't help them in terms of winning over customers.
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#44
Ferrum Master
ARFPrices is for the end user who buys in the retail shop. Cut costs is something else irrelevant. Choose your wording properly..
Dude, I barely decipher what your idea is only guess. But free market always care for margin, cutting costs always mean getting lower BOM/labor costs for the device itself and it is cutting costs/price, thinking about the last bit, how much customer pays is all dependent from various bits past the maker, ie distribution net, logistics, taxes etc, seeing from your perspective and treat it with some socialist logic ain't meant here and it is not irrelevant. We speak about the makers themselves and deciding to deploy a raw product it is meant only about maker and their margin. The cut is unwelcome and common trend, thus my remark.

I have to admit that hardware and software complexity has really risen and you cant really compare it with like products from 10 years ago. It really takes longer to get things run... AGESA development wasn't smooth for sure.
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#45
Verpal
DDR5 only.... well I hope the DDR4 to DDR5 transition would become smoother in next few months, since platform cost can be quite steep even if you are upgrading from AM4.
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#46
Wirko
GoldenXPerformance seems promising, hopefully the mid and low end offers are reasonable.
I think the mid and low end will stay on AM4 + DDR4 for quite some time - I mean a year or more. There's a reason AMD launched several AM4 processors in April 2022.
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#47
GoldenX
WirkoI think the mid and low end will stay on AM4 + DDR4 for quite some time - I mean a year or more. There's a reason AMD launched several AM4 processors in April 2022.
While I would agree, only the 5600 is a valid option, the rest are overshadowed by Gen 10 low end offerings, not to say Gen 12 ones.
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#48
ARF
Ferrum MasterDude, I barely decipher what your idea is only guess.
My idea is that the maker can cut the costs (BOM) but increase the end user prices. This is exactly what happens in reality.
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#49
AlwaysHope
I was thinking of going to ADL now with more of it's bugs ironed out with bios updates so far, also same with win 11.... however... I'm keen to know when AM5 will actually be launched for retail globally?
Watching the DDR5 market indicates prices are coming down in my part of the world, ever so slowly, but by the time AM5 is really actually available I presume the kits will be cheaper still.
Also, happy my AM4 cooler mounting kits will work on AM5!
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#50
TheLostSwede
News Editor
AlwaysHopeI was thinking of going to ADL now with more of it's bugs ironed out with bios updates so far, also same with win 11.... however... I'm keen to know when AM5 will actually be launched for retail globally?
Watching the DDR5 market indicates prices are coming down in my part of the world, ever so slowly, but by the time AM5 is really actually available I presume the kits will be cheaper still.
Also, happy my AM4 cooler mounting kits will work on AM5!
August/September maybe?
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