Monday, May 23rd 2022

AMD Unveils 5 nm Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" Desktop Processors & AM5 DDR5 Platform

AMD today unveiled its next-generation Ryzen 7000 desktop processors, based on the Socket AM5 desktop platform. The new Ryzen 7000 series processors introduce the new "Zen 4" microarchitecture, with the company claiming a 15% single-threaded uplift over "Zen 3" (16-core/32-thread Zen 4 processor prototype compared to a Ryzen 9 5950X). Other key specs about the architecture put out by AMD include a doubling in per-core L2 cache to 1 MB, up from 512 KB on all older versions of "Zen." The Ryzen 7000 desktop CPUs will boost to frequencies above 5.5 GHz. Based on the way AMD has worded their claims, it seems that the "+15%" number includes IPC gains, plus gains from higher clocks, plus what the DDR4 to DDR5 transition achieves. With Zen 4, AMD is introducing a new instruction set for AI compute acceleration. The transition to the LGA1718 Socket AM5 allows AMD to use next-generation I/O, including DDR5 memory, and PCI-Express Gen 5, both for the graphics card, and the M.2 NVMe slot attached to the CPU socket.

Much like Ryzen 3000 "Matisse," and Ryzen 5000 "Vermeer," the Ryzen 7000 "Raphael" desktop processor is a multi-chip module with up to two "Zen 4" CCDs (CPU core dies), and one I/O controller die. The CCDs are built on the 5 nm silicon fabrication process, while the I/O die is built on the 6 nm process, a significant upgrade from previous-generation I/O dies that were built on 12 nm. The leap to 5 nm for the CCD enables AMD to cram up to 16 "Zen 4" cores per socket, all of which are "performance" cores. The "Zen 4" CPU core is larger, on account of more number-crunching machinery to achieve the IPC increase and new instruction-sets, as well as the larger per-core L2 cache. The cIOD packs a pleasant surprise—an iGPU based on the RDNA2 graphics architecture! Now most Ryzen 7000 processors will pack integrated graphics, just like Intel Core desktop processors.
The Socket AM5 platform is capable of up to 24 PCI-Express 5.0 lanes from the processor. 16 of these are meant for the PCI-Express graphics slots (PEG), while four of these go toward an M.2 NVMe slot attached to the CPU—if you recall, Intel "Alder Lake" processors have 16 Gen 5 lanes toward PEG, but the CPU-attached NVMe slot runs at Gen 4. The processor features dual-channel DDR5 (four sub-channel) memory, identical to "Alder Lake," but with no DDR4 memory support. Unlike Intel, the AM5 Socket retains cooler compatibility with AM4, so the cooler you have sitting on your Ryzen CPU right now, will work perfectly fine.

The platform also puts out up to 14 USB 20 Gbps ports, including type-C. With onboard graphics now making it to most processor models, motherboards will feature up to four DisplayPort 2 or HDMI 2.1 ports. The company will also standardize Wi-Fi 6E + Bluetooth WLAN solutions it co-developed with MediaTek, weaning motherboard designers away from Intel-made WLAN solutions.

At its launch, in Fall 2022, AMD's AM5 platform will come with three motherboard chipset options—the AMD X670 Extreme (X670E), the AMD X670, and the AMD B650. The X670 Extreme was probably made by re-purposing the new-generation 6 nm cIOD die to work as a motherboard chipset, which means its 24 PCIe Gen 5 lanes work toward building an "all Gen 5" motherboard platform. The X670 (non-extreme), is very likely a rebadged X570, which means you get up to 20 Gen 4 PCIe lanes from the chipset, while retaining PCIe Gen 5 PEG and CPU-attached NVMe connectivity. The B650 chipset is designed to offer Gen 4 PCIe PEG, Gen 5 CPU-attached NVMe, and likely Gen 3 connectivity from the chipset.
AMD is betting big on next-generation M.2 NVMe SSDs with PCI-Express Gen 5, and is gunning to be the first desktop platform with PCIe Gen 5-based M.2 slots. The company is said to be working with Phison to optimize the first round of Gen 5 SSDs for the platform.
All major motherboard vendors are ready with Socket AM5 motherboards. AMD showcased a handful, including the ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme, the ASRock X670E Taichi, MSI MEG X670E ACE, GIGABYTE X670E AORUS Xtreme, and the BIOSTAR X670E Valkyrie.

AMD is working to introduce several platform-level innovations like it did with Smart Access Memory with its Radeon RX 6000 series, which builds on top of the PCIe Resizable BAR technology by the PCI-SIG. The new AMD Smart Access Storage technology builds on Microsoft DirectStorage, by adding AMD platform-awareness, and optimization for AMD CPU and GPU architectures. DirectStorage enables direct transfers between a storage device and the GPU memory, without the data having to route through the CPU cores. In terms of power delivery Zen 4 uses the same SVI3 voltage control interface that we saw introduced on the Ryzen Mobile 6000 Series. For desktop this means the ability to address a higher number of VRM phases and to process voltage changes much faster than with SVI2 on AM4.
Taking a closer look at the AMD Footnotes, "RPL-001", we find out that the "15% IPC gain" figure is measured using Cinebench and compares a Ryzen 9 5950X processor (not 5800X3D), on a Socket AM4 platform with DDR4-3600 CL16 memory, to the new Zen 4 platform running at DDR5-6000 CL30 memory. If we go by the measurements from our Alder Lake DDR5 Performance Scaling article, then this memory difference alone will account for roughly 5% of the 15% gains.

The footnotes also reference a "RPL-003" claim that's not used anywhere in our pre-briefing slide deck, but shown in the video presentation. In the presentation we're seeing a live demo comparison between a "Ryzen 7000 Series" processor and Intel's Core i9-12900K "Alder Lake." It's worth mentioning here that AMD isn't disclosing the exact processor model, only that it's a 16-core part, if we follow the Zen 3 naming, that would probably be the Ryzen 9 7950X flagship. The comparison runs the Blender rendering software, which loads all CPU cores. Here we see the Ryzen 7000 chip finish the task in 204 seconds, compared to the i9-12900K and its 297 seconds time, which is a huge 31% difference—very impressive. It's worth mentioning that the memory configurations are slightly mismatched. Intel is running with DDR5-6000 CL30, whereas the Ryzen is tested with DDR5-6400 CL32—lower latency for Intel, higher MHz for Ryzen. While ideally we'd like to see identical memory used, the differences due to the memory configuration should be very small.
AMD is targeting a Fall 2022 launch for the Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" desktop processor family, which would put this sometime between September thru October. The company is likely to detail the "Zen 4" microarchitecture and the Ryzen 7000 SKU list in the coming weeks.

Update 21:00 UTC: AMD has clarified that the 170 W PPT power numbers seen are the absolute max limits, not "typical" like the 105 W, on Zen 3, which were often exceeded during heavy usage.

Update May 26th: AMD further clarified that the 170 W number is "TDP", not "PPT", which means that when the usual x1.35 factor is applied, actual power usage can go up to 230 W.

You can watch the whole presentation again at YouTube:
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211 Comments on AMD Unveils 5 nm Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" Desktop Processors & AM5 DDR5 Platform

#201
TheLostSwede
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MusselsLPX was the literal worst for ryzen. The LITERAL worst.

I wrote a whole ass paragraph here and gave up, how about just a single image showing that hey - you were overclocking past officially supported speeds?



Intel dodged the issue by locking their cheap boards to 2133Mhz, AMD just gave people headroom to overclock and then realised trusting consumers was a terrible idea
Well, most people managed 3000 just fine, many 3200 and the lucky few 3466. So only getting to 2933 was :(

You know as well as I do that the official memory speeds mean very little in reality.

As I said, no issue with the same RAM at 3200 on Intel, which was the rated rated speed of those modules. But as you say, LPX and AMD was a match made in a septic tank. That RAM didn't work any better with my 3700X either...
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#202
Bronan
I really do not get why people want a so called 32 cores cpu while for games it does almost nothing as most games do not even use 2 to 4 cores
Sure some newer games use 2% to 4% of the other cores but if you turn all that extra cores off, you will not see any difference
If your doing CAD/CAM or similar stuff you actually use them but most never ever need them
But funny enough those are the biggest whiners over this nonsense

Anyway my point is that i do not get why new games are so darn slow and has endless load times
I was looking at a friend playing RDR2 and was not really impressed especially how slow the loading times where for each simple new challenge in the game
Overall it runned like a snail in my eyes on the latest XBOX

For me having more than 8 cores seems more than enough as i really do not need 32 cores ever
It makes me so sad that the cpu with the most cores these days gets the highest clocks.
For me that is counter productive i never need more than 8 cores for real

Regarding memory do not make me start, all the brands promise it will work a set of 4 on your motherboard well after 6 new sets corsair gave up and removed the whole set from sales.
I do not even want to begin over the LPX disaster for me that is still the worst ever in my long experience with pc building.
Especially because you needed them to be able to install the massive coolers you needed to OC your system

But i still want to see the 2 chip makers come with a new design for the socket so you never can mount the watercoolers/coolers tighter than the socket can handle
As i admit to be apparently a brute and do not really feel how much force i use on any tool
As exeample I helped a truck driver to mount his reserve wheel and he said pull it tight so i did .... result i broke that very thick bolts off :D
The man could not believe a human was able todo that, he send the movie he made with his phone to his boss to prove it really happened and he was not the fault :) ... LOL
He constant felt my arms and constant kept saying what, i cant believe it, how is this possible, it is impossible :D
Now you think that might be a fluke but it happened to me often when changing tires on cars in the paste as well.

So when i mount a cooler on my pc i have a high chance to kill the socket again, i even have ask others todo it for me which helped a bit but you do not ask your friends 80 to 180 miles away to come mount your cooler :D
That they will do once but not when you have issues and need to mount/dismount it constant.
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#203
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
BronanI really do not get why people want a so called 32 cores cpu while for games it does almost nothing as most games do not even use 2 to 4 cores
Sure some newer games use 2% to 4% of the other cores but if you turn all that extra cores off, you will not see any difference
If your doing CAD/CAM or similar stuff you actually use them but most never ever need them
But funny enough those are the biggest whiners over this nonsense

Anyway my point is that i do not get why new games are so darn slow and has endless load times
I was looking at a friend playing RDR2 and was not really impressed especially how slow the loading times where for each simple new challenge in the game
Overall it runned like a snail in my eyes on the latest XBOX

For me having more than 8 cores seems more than enough as i really do not need 32 cores ever
It makes me so sad that the cpu with the most cores these days gets the highest clocks.
For me that is counter productive i never need more than 8 cores for real

Regarding memory do not make me start, all the brands promise it will work a set of 4 on your motherboard well after 6 new sets corsair gave up and removed the whole set from sales.
I do not even want to begin over the LPX disaster for me that is still the worst ever in my long experience with pc building.
Especially because you needed them to be able to install the massive coolers you needed to OC your system

But i still want to see the 2 chip makers come with a new design for the socket so you never can mount the watercoolers/coolers tighter than the socket can handle
As i admit to be apparently a brute and do not really feel how much force i use on any tool
As exeample I helped a truck driver to mount his reserve wheel and he said pull it tight so i did .... result i broke that very thick bolts off :D
The man could not believe a human was able todo that, he send the movie he made with his phone to his boss to prove it really happened and he was not the fault :) ... LOL
He constant felt my arms and constant kept saying what, i cant believe it, how is this possible, it is impossible :D
Now you think that might be a fluke but it happened to me often when changing tires on cars in the paste as well.

So when i mount a cooler on my pc i have a high chance to kill the socket again, i even have ask others todo it for me which helped a bit but you do not ask your friends 80 to 180 miles away to come mount your cooler :D
That they will do once but not when you have issues and need to mount/dismount it constant.
RDR2 is a console game. That's why it has slow loads.

I'm not as familiar with AM5 as i am AM4, but AM4 was great in that the 5600x had 95% (or more) the gaming performance of a 5950x - you never needed more than midrange, for top tier AM4 gaming in the Zen3 lineup

No one should want a high core count CPU for gaming, i still advise people to get 6-8 cores at most. The higher core count and higher TDP are workstation CPU's and 100% not worth it - only a small loud minority of people would add 150W for 1% higher FPS, just to have "the best"
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