Lotta ASRock hate in this thread.

I'll just say, every new chip generation and certainly between AMD and Intel, what's good what's ok and what's bad changes a bit.

A great example of this is Gigabyte. On LGA1700/Intel they are known to have buggy BIOS', many complaints from enthusiasts especially about things like DDR5 compatibility. On AM5, they seem to have really good reviews. In fact, many point to the Gigabyte Elite AX as being best bang for the buck.

It's just something to be aware of, old narratives may not fit new platforms. From what I can tell, ASRock is an ok product on AM5.

Inflation. Stop blaming AMD/ ASRock for global problems. I pay $5.00 for a loaf of white bread.

Let's then blame the bankers and their wars.

A 32 GB kit of DDR5-4800 RAM costs £119.99.
A 32 GB kit of DDR5-5600 RAM costs £139.99 (currently discounted from £155.99).
A 32 GB kit of DDR4-3200 RAM costs £85.
(all Corsair Vengeance LPX at Scan UK)

Zen 4 doesn't scale as well with memory speed as previous generations did, and if you're saving on an A620 motherboard, and a non-X CPU, you might as well spend the extra couple of quid on a DDR5 kit that will serve you for years to come. Sure, Intel with DDR4 is cheaper, but is not upgradeable in the future. Just my 2 cents.

john_Yes and tech press had done everything possible to make 290X look problematic in their reviews. And while having the strongest model in the market is a huge marketing card, AMD ALWAYS HAD BETTER options in lower prices points than Nvidia. But there was always an excuse for many people to buy/promote the more expensive Nvidia model and trash AMD's options.

The tech press loved the 290x, it received many commendations for its performance and was dinged for its terrible cooler and heavy power draw.

john_I don't care anymore about excuses other throw. And you have thrown so many here. I mean, in 20 years we can find one example here of unoptimised driver, one example for a driver problem there, one example for a product that didn't perform well, one example of something else and just generalize that this is something normal for ALL AMD's products in all it's history.

That's a pretty narrow view of history. Its not one example of one bad driver, AMD's history int he late 2000s to mid 2010s was dreadful. Remember the black screen bugs? How about frame pacing issues? The GCN memory controller bug? Fan controller bugs resulting inf ans being stuck at 100%? All of these were major issues for years until the tech press called out AMD for them.

When you need the media to fix your drivers, you end up with a sour reputation.

john_Then we can forget Nvidia graphics cards dying, Nvidia cards overheating, Nvidia cheating in drivers, Nvidia paying developers to screw up a game to run worst on the competition, Nvidia paying developers to cancel an update that supports a feature of the competition, Nvidia locking features when their card is not the primary card, forget Nvidia's own driver problems and probably now swallow it's pricing policy by calling it "AMD's fault".

This is what we call "whataboutism". When your response to AMD doing bad things is "well well well what about nvidia" you are not only acknoledging that AMD does these things; you are voicing apporival for these actions as you dont find them worthy of admission. It's an awful comeback that gets brought up any time AMD's flaws are called out because apparently criticizing AMD means you think nvidia is perfect. :roll:

john_Never. Don't worry. Never. But while I was creaming about RT performance when RX 7900XT/X came out, even called an Nvidia shill, I have to say that it is funny calling "terrible RT performance" what was "great RT performance" just 6 months ago. Because 7900XTX does perform on par with 3080/Ti if I am not mistaken, in RT.

Releasing a new generation that is only competitive with what the competition was selling 2 years ago is not impressive. And the RTX 3000 series was far from impressive, their reviews are full of people commenting how RT still isnt ready for prime time.

Oh you are pure fun.

TheinsanegamerNThe tech press loved the 290x, it received many commendations for its performance and was dinged for its terrible cooler and heavy power draw.

Many major channel focused their attention on the negatives of the card, negatives that had nothing to do with performance. On the other hand we see all those years that performance is the main parameter when Nvidia or Intel products have the same disadvantages as 290/X reference cards.

That's a pretty narrow view of history. Its not one example of one bad driver, AMD's history int he late 2000s to mid 2010s was dreadful. Remember the black screen bugs? How about frame pacing issues? The GCN memory controller bug? Fan controller bugs resulting inf ans being stuck at 100%? All of these were major issues for years until the tech press called out AMD for them.

When you need the media to fix your drivers, you end up with a sour reputation.

Other than the frame passing issues of CrossFire that where fixed, you are just blowing out of proportions all other examples. Just read what you wrote. In your mind they are major issues. In reality, this kind of issues are happening here and there with any hardware from any firm.

And yes, you need users and the press to highlight an issue. That's common for any hardware or software out there. If we where talking about cars, you would be arguing that AMD cars are bad because they need 4 wheels!

This is what we call "whataboutism". When your response to AMD doing bad things is "well well well what about nvidia" you are not only acknoledging that AMD does these things; you are voicing apporival for these actions as you dont find them worthy of admission. It's an awful comeback that gets brought up any time AMD's flaws are called out because apparently criticizing AMD means you think nvidia is perfect. :roll:

And here you try to deflect those examples because the examples I mentioning are major issues. Cards dying and Nvidia's fix being running the cooler at higher speeds to help the hardware to at least survive the warranty period is not something insignificant. Punishing your own customers for having the nerve to use a competing card as primary, that's not something to ignore. What do you do here? Rushing to point the finger at me, accusing me for what YOU are doing here. Bravo. But it only works on 5 years old kids. And it only makes YOU look bad. Not me. I am not hiding. You are here.

Releasing a new generation that is only competitive with what the competition was selling 2 years ago is not impressive. And the RTX 3000 series was far from impressive, their reviews are full of people commenting how RT still isnt ready for prime time.

Yeah, distorting reality. That's common reply. But usually I see this kind of low quality responds from random trolls at Disqus. Rarely on TPU.

TheinsanegamerNThat's a pretty narrow view of history. Its not one example of one bad driver, AMD's history int he late 2000s to mid 2010s was dreadful. Remember the black screen bugs? How about frame pacing issues? The GCN memory controller bug? Fan controller bugs resulting inf ans being stuck at 100%? All of these were major issues for years until the tech press called out AMD for them.

I had a 9600 XT, an X800 XT and then went through the entire GCN 1 lineup (7770, 7870 then 7970 GHz edition) when my brother had a 6750, and we didn't have any of those issues... or any issue in fact.

I only had two GeForce cards in the era you described: the 7800 GS AGP which was a loud, slow, overheating piece of shit, and a 9600 GT which was okay thanks to the oversized Galaxy cooler on it.

You may discard it as anecdotal evidence, but the only AMD card I ever had problems with was the 5700 XT.

AusWolfa 9600 GT which was okay

9600GT was one of my favorite cards of all time. Probably one of the best value cards ever produced. But unfortunately back then we had Nvidia's bumpgate, with 8000 and 9000 series dying after a period of time. Putting a graphics card with potatoes and olive oil in the over was very much a thing back then.
But I have to say the whole Nvidia fiasco did gave me the opportunity to buy a "refurbished" 9800 GX2 and play with it a couple of weeks, before it died again, as expected, something that gave me the option to return it back to shop and take back my money. So, free benchmarking with a hi end card that I wasn't going to buy new in any case.

pavleLet's then blame the bankers and their wars.

Well, they ARE the reason for it so, I'm totally on board with you there! :clap:

AusWolfthe only AMD card I ever had problems with was the 5700 XT.

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What was your issue with the 5700XT, out of curiosity? I've owned dozens and used both a reference XT and Sapphire non-XT in a personal rig - both were great, stable, fast cards with no driver problems in games for anything I played - but I could never get the audio over HDMI to work without occasionally cutting out, on two different TVs and also going direct to a Yamaha HDMI receiver.

It was never a deal-breaker - I just didn't use audio over HDMI, but it was an oddity that seemed specific to that generation and not the Polaris/Vega cards before it.

Chrispy_[OT]
What was your issue with the 5700XT, out of curiosity? I've owned dozens and used both a reference XT and Sapphire non-XT in a personal rig - both were great, stable, fast cards with no driver problems in games for anything I played - but I could never get the audio over HDMI to work without occasionally cutting out, on two different TVs and also going direct to a Yamaha HDMI receiver.

It was never a deal-breaker - I just didn't use audio over HDMI, but it was an oddity that seemed specific to that generation and not the Polaris/Vega cards before it.

1. Occasional driver timeout errors and game crashes.
2. Too much heat on the GPU hotspot, VRM and VRAM chips - this was a design flaw of the Asus Strix cooler, not AMD's fault.

These weren't deal breaker issues, either, just a bit annoying. I ended up doing the washer mod which helped me with hotspot temps, but nothing much else.

Probably the best thing about my 5700 XT was that I bought it before the crypto boom, and sold it for more than 1.5x the original price a couple months later. :)

AusWolfProbably the best thing about my 5700 XT was that I bought it before the crypto boom, and sold it for more than 1.5x the original price a couple months later. :)

Ah yes. I saw the boom coming - well, more technically I saw the early onset of severe GPU shortages at the import level a couple of months climbing very early and ordered a pallet of sapphire vanilla 5700 cards with my own money at about $240/card ex VAT as both an investment and backup plan in case UK stocks ran out because we were using them for work builds still.

I mined 14 ETH on 24 of them over the course of 18 months, and then sold them all in early 2022 when the energy prices started getting hit by the invasion of Ukraine. Sadly I sold them for about £300 each on average which was nothing compared to the £1000 I got for a couple at the height of the GPU shortage/ETH boom but they were making me enough money that it wasn't worth selling them then, even at stupid profit per card.

I really hate Proof of Work crypto. Its boom/bust volatile nature is terrible for the GPU industry, it's terrible for gamers trying to get GPUs, and it's terrible for the environment. I offset most of my environmental damage due to the nature of my electric heatpump central heating, but for the really hot days in the summer I was dumping lots of waste heat outside because hot water use alone only had the compressor running around 8 hours every 24. For the two winters I was at least reclaiming all the mining waste heat and still needed to top up with the immersion heater sometimes.

Chrispy_Ah yes. I saw the boom coming - well, more technically I saw the early onset of severe GPU shortages at the import level a couple of months climbing very early and ordered a pallet of sapphire vanilla 5700 cards with my own money at about $240/card ex VAT as both an investment and backup plan in case UK stocks ran out because we were using them for work builds still.

I mined 14 ETH on 24 of them over the course of 18 months, and then sold them all in early 2022 when the energy prices started getting hit by the invasion of Ukraine. Sadly I sold them for about £300 each on average which was nothing compared to the £1000 I got for a couple at the height of the GPU shortage/ETH boom but they were making me enough money that it wasn't worth selling them then, even at stupid profit per card.

I really hate Proof of Work crypto. Its boom/bust volatile nature is terrible for the GPU industry, it's terrible for gamers trying to get GPUs, and it's terrible for the environment. I offset most of my environmental damage due to the nature of my electric heatpump central heating, but for the really hot days in the summer I was dumping lots of waste heat outside because hot water use alone only had the compressor running around 8 hours every 24. For the two winters I was at least reclaiming all the mining waste heat and still needed to top up with the immersion heater sometimes.

A pallet worth of cards? Wow!

As for me, I never expected the crypto boom. I bought the card for my own use, and wanted to keep it long term. But due to the crypto boom, and the aforementioned issues, I decided to sell it anyway.

As for PoW crypto, I agree - it's an enemy of gamers, an enemy of the planet, and the biggest scam in history. A total disgrace of humanity. It should have never existed, imo.

AusWolfA pallet worth of cards? Wow!

It was an informed investment gamble. I tried to buy a pallet in advance at work to ensure we wouldn't run out, because finding them was getting hard and the distributors were giving me looooonnnnnng lead times on restock. Work refused the capital funding as it's about 8-months of GPU for us in one hit - so I did it myself and sold 50 of them to my employer in the end, half a dozen on ebay to cover import duties and VAT on the pallet, and then used the rest for free, effectively.

I don't think I'd do it again, the tax paperwork and office admin involved with buying from individuals rather than VAT-registered distributors was a PITA. I made plenty of money but it was a ton of hassle and I'm going to be back on the horrendous self-assessment tax returns again for another three years, which I honestly CBF to deal with so I'm just going to throw money at an accountant until 2024.

Chrispy_[OT]
What was your issue with the 5700XT, out of curiosity? I've owned dozens and used both a reference XT and Sapphire non-XT in a personal rig - both were great, stable, fast cards with no driver problems in games for anything I played - but I could never get the audio over HDMI to work without occasionally cutting out, on two different TVs and also going direct to a Yamaha HDMI receiver.

It was never a deal-breaker - I just didn't use audio over HDMI, but it was an oddity that seemed specific to that generation and not the Polaris/Vega cards before it.

Oh I had some fun with my RX 5700 XT and I can tell you exactly what happened. I bought an XFX RX 5700 XT Triple-Dissipation and it would cause low-level system reset crashes. Now, I knew that this isn't something that drivers can cause and assumed it was a power distribution problem.

I sent it off for RMA and XFX sent me back an upper model, a THICC-III. I was pleasantly surprised and also glad that my case could hold it (over 1' long!) but it started having VRAM errors almost immediately and I had to RMA that one as well. The THICC-III that I got back had no issues and still doesn't. One thing that I did notice though was that while the THICC-III had three PCI-Express supplementary power connectors, the Triple Dissipation only had an 8 and a 6. I have a feeling that 8+6 wasn't enough and it needed 8+8.

john_There, I am an example of an AMD supporter being worst than an Apple one. And what the hell do I want? That ridiculous dream of a 50%-50% market in GPUs and CPUs (with a little luck we could be hoping for a 33%-33%-33% in the GPU market in a few years) and people buying the best option, not the shiniest logo.

another good example of the reality distortion field around AMD supporters: they think AMD is different.
Reality check: no they aren’t. AMD is exactly the same as Intel and Nvidia

Max(IT)another good example of the reality distortion field around AMD supporters: they think AMD is different.
Reality check: no they aren’t. AMD is exactly the same as Intel and Nvidia

So you have examples I guess.

Waiting for your examples.

john_So you have examples I guess.

Waiting for your examples.

`just the last one: 7900XT vs 7900XTX.
Nothing different from the "RTX 4080 12 GB" joke by Nvidia.

Not to speak about Zen 3 and Zen 4 pricing... even more hilarious than Intel's
I could go on for hours...

Max(IT)`just the last one: 7900XT vs 7900XTX.
Nothing different from the "RTX 4080 12 GB" joke by Nvidia.

Not to speak about Zen 3 and Zen 4 pricing... even more hilarious than Intel's
I could go on for hours...

So, you do NOT have examples.

I mean, what are your examples here? AMD following the leaders in the market to avoid a price war that can not sustain? That's your example? Congrats.

That's NOT an example.

If you are having problems with pricing, you should address them to
- Intel and Nvidia who dictate pricing. Nvidia controls 90% of the market, Intel controls 60% of the market while also having it's own fabs
- to yourself and everyone else who wish AMD to drop prices so you can go and buy cheaper Intel and Nvidia stuff. You and Nvidia together put that $1600 price tag on the RTX 1600. you with that mentality. So, in the end, you will go and buy the RTX 4080 12 GB at $800 saying
"But it is not the RTX 4080 12GB, it's the RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB and our beloved CEO even dropped the price by $100. The more we buy, the more we save".

Oh please. If you have any real arguments, here I am. If you don't, well, it's not going to be a surprise.

john_So, you do NOT have examples.

I mean, what are your examples here? AMD following the leaders in the market to avoid a price war that can not sustain? That's your example? Congrats.

That's NOT an example.

If you are having problems with pricing, you should address them to
- Intel and Nvidia who dictate pricing. Nvidia controls 90% of the market, Intel controls 60% of the market while also having it's own fabs
- to yourself and everyone else who wish AMD to drop prices so you can go and buy cheaper Intel and Nvidia stuff. You and Nvidia together put that $1600 price tag on the RTX 1600. you with that mentality. So, in the end, you will go and buy the RTX 4080 12 GB at $800 saying
"But it is not the RTX 4080 12GB, it's the RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB and our beloved CEO even dropped the price by $100. The more we buy, the more we save".

Oh please. If you have any real arguments, here I am. If you don't, well, it's not going to be a surprise.

Another reality distortion field by AMD supporters… I was expecting nothing different.
It is ALWAYS someone else fault for AMD misbehavior.

Max(IT)Another reality distortion field by AMD supporters… I was expecting nothing different.
It is ALWAYS someone else fault for AMD misbehavior.

Would you please just go to WCCTECH to post these nonsense? Anyone looking at the "quality" of your posts knows that you are NOT here to participate in conversations.

Anyway, no reason to suffer your existence here. Just adding you in my ignore list.

PS You are free to declare win. Because that's what I expect as a reply from someone like you.

Avro ArrowOh I had some fun with my RX 5700 XT and I can tell you exactly what happened. I bought an XFX RX 5700 XT Triple-Dissipation and it would cause low-level system reset crashes. Now, I knew that this isn't something that drivers can cause and assumed it was a power distribution problem.

I sent it off for RMA and XFX sent me back an upper model, a THICC-III. I was pleasantly surprised and also glad that my case could hold it (over 1' long!) but it started having VRAM errors almost immediately and I had to RMA that one as well. The THICC-III that I got back had no issues and still doesn't. One thing that I did notice though was that while the THICC-III had three PCI-Express supplementary power connectors, the Triple Dissipation only had an 8 and a 6. I have a feeling that 8+6 wasn't enough and it needed 8+8.

Agreed on the 5700/XT running hot but I knew what I was getting into. IMHO it was AMD cranking it up to its maximum for that performance hit and marketing BS. But I had not issues on Drivers.

I own 2, 5700 and a 5700XT. When I undervolted them the heat issues are gone and the performance stayed pretty much the same. The max heat posted was 78c under Cinebench stress test. and it runs a lot cooler when I play my video games.
AS posted before on this sight on my rig.

john_Would you please just go to WCCTECH to post these nonsense? Anyone looking at the "quality" of your posts knows that you are NOT here to participate in conversations.

Anyway, no reason to suffer your existence here. Just adding you in my ignore list.

PS You are free to declare win. Because that's what I expect as a reply from someone like you.

I don't care about WCCTECH or other websites. I'm posting here.
And being attacked by AMD cheerleaders just prove my point even more. Do whatever you want with your ignore list. So typical...

Icon CharlieAgreed on the 5700/XT running hot but I knew what I was getting into. IMHO it was AMD cranking it up to its maximum for that performance hit and marketing BS. But I had not issues on Drivers.

I own 2, 5700 and a 5700XT. When I undervolted them the heat issues are gone and the performance stayed pretty much the same. The max heat posted was 78c under Cinebench stress test. and it runs a lot cooler when I play my video games.
AS posted before on this sight on my rig.

Yep. The problem was that too many people don't know their posteriors from their elbows and immediately start bleating "Driver Issues!". I'm just glad that I'm not that dumb! (Well, not about this anyway) :laugh:

Not sure if these motherboards support Ryzen 8000 and 9000 series FCLK2500MHz+ (DDR5-7500+),
7000 series FCLK2000MHz(DDR5-6000+) will be enough.
Typically you can run DDR5-9000+ with 2 DIMM slots and DDR5-7000+ with 4 DIMM slots.
*7300+ is not possible with 4DIMM slots.
*DDR5-5600(1.1v) Hynix A-die 1R Module + 2DIMM Slot M/B = DDR5-9300 (Manual OC 1.75v)
*DDR5-5600(1.1v) Hynix A-die 1R Module + 4DIMM Slot M/B = DDR5-7200 (Manual OC 1.50v)
*DDR5-4800(1.1v) Hynix M-die 1R Module + 2DIMM Slot M/B = DDR5-8000 (Manual OC 1.75v)
*DDR5-4800(1.1v) Hynix M-die 1R Module + 4DIMM Slot M/B = DDR5-7000 (Manual OC 1.50v)
*Because it is a silicon lottery, we do not guarantee the actual operation.

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