Sunday, July 2nd 2023

ASUS has a GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Card with an M.2 SSD Slot

ASUS Chinese GM—Tony Yu—has shown off a graphics card concept on Bilibili that has a rather unusual feature, a slot for an M.2 NVMe SSD. The card is based on NVIDIA's GeForce RT 4060 Ti GPU and although not all details are clear at this point in time, but ASUS is taking advantage of the unused PCIe lanes on the card, since the AD106 GPU only uses eight PCIe lanes, the PCIe connector on the card has space for a further eight lanes. In theory ASUS could have added a pair of SSDs, since there are a total of eight lanes available, but as this was just a proof of concept, they seemingly stuck with a single SSD.

It's unclear if ASUS relies on bifurcation or if the company has added some kind of bridge chip, but bifurcation makes more sense, as a bridge chip would add a lot more cost. The neat thing with the NVMe drive being on the GPU, is that it also connects to the heatsink of the graphics card, which means the cooling should be rather good. However, for this to work properly, the SSD would have to be mounted back to front compared to how it would be mounted on a motherboard. Based on the test results, the SSD runs at a cool 42 degrees C, even when the GPU is being stress tested. It's likely that this product will not make it to markets outside of China, if it's ever launched into retail.
Sources: Bilibili, via @harukaze5719 (on Twitter)
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68 Comments on ASUS has a GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Card with an M.2 SSD Slot

#26
Chaitanya
TheLostSwedeI believe all AM4 and AM5 boards support it, as AMD doesn't limit it like Intel.
Even on Intel platforms its not gimped by Intel but its motherboard makers who are limiting it.
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#27
TheLostSwede
News Editor
ChaitanyaEven on Intel platforms its not gimped by Intel but its motherboard makers who are limiting it.
Please explain why they would be doing that? Even Intel W680 boards from the likes of Supermicro apparently lacks bifurcation support, a company that I don't think would limit things like that for its customers.
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#28
Dr. Dro
unwind-protectDoes Asus themselves even have a consumer board that does bifurcation?
Their upper range socket AM4 boards support it, I recall my old B550-E having bifurcation settings in the BIOS
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#29
trsttte
Besides helping to make use of the full cpu lane counts, this can be a nice solution to the ridiculous heatsinks gen5 m.2 ssds are coming with (though some one spending that much on the ssd probably also has a better gpu that "uses" the full lanes)
Ferrum MasterSo I stand corrected. ASUS are retards as usual. As the other 4 lines are simply wasted.
To be fair this is still unreleased and a new concept so cut them some slack

Though this is the same company that put a chipset on a daughter board only connected to an m.2 just so they could make an x670 itx board so yean...
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#30
Ferrum Master
TheLostSwedePlease explain why they would be doing that? Even Intel W680 boards from the likes of Supermicro apparently lacks bifurcation support, a company that I don't think would limit things like that for its customers.
Well there's a mish mash. My Z590I VISION D does have bios options for it... IMHO there had to add some additional switch HW to have it working, basically fully route the RSV pins also.
trsttteTo be fair this is still unreleased and a new concept so cut them some slack
For what? For their shitty support, half baked overpriced products? I have ASUS products most of them had some sort of issues. This card at it's core concept is stupid just because of the fact it uses weird 12 lane config. It is always 8+4+4. Why bother doing some cutouts special cooling etc rubbish that actually ain't needed, but leave out precious 4x lanes.
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#31
kapone32
NostrasThe vast majority of their boards does with AM5 at least.
See here
www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1037507
I'm a bit unsure if x4+x4+x4+x4 means that GPU can only do x4 or if x4+x4 still allows for x8 or that it really must be x8+x8 or x8+x4+x4.
If it's the former many support it, if it's not, it's a lot harder to find a cheap(er) board.

I think it's a bit of a pointless product however. Pricing must be seriously higher which kind of defeats the purpose of the entire product.
If they're going to sell it it's probably going to be OEM only.
Even on AM4 it was the same. If you have a high end MB this might work but this is aimed directly at Z690 and Z790 boards that don't have enough lanes to have a x8 M2 card in a 2nd x16 slot. This solves that if you have bit but some are dumb and only do x4x4x4x4 so your GPU might be running at x4 unless there is a controller on the board.
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#32
Count von Schwalbe
TheLostSwedeI believe all AM4 and AM5 boards support it, as AMD doesn't limit it like Intel.
My B550 didn't have it in M.2_0, but all of my Intel boards did (including laptops) but that is an edge case.
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#33
kapone32
Count von SchwalbeMy B550 didn't have it in M.2_0, but all of my Intel boards did (including laptops) but that is an edge case.
Which B550 board did you have? This is for the PCIe slot connected to the CPU.
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#34
InVasMani
TheLostSwedeIt's only one slot, it's a hole in the PCB so it can touch the heatsink.


Well, that's what the software is reporting...


The Silicon Motion one? Hardly a GPU though, but I guess there's no technical limitation in terms of putting something a bit more powerful on an M.2 card, just space and thermal restraints, as well as the narrow bus width.

I presume you've seen the are already M.2 ML/AI accelerators, but they're not GPU based.
No I hadn't noticed that there were M.2 ML/AI accelerators, but it seems seems a obvious application of some niche way of utilizing the lane bus width to repurpose it. I've seen a 10G NIC on a M.2 though which is cool I imagine someone might have a TB4 based M.2 by now or is cooking up that idea now based on newer generations of M.2 and bandwidth. The Gen 5 x4 slots on newer boards would probably be most suitable for a GPU and a cooler option for it. I suppose Gen 4 x4 would also work fine in terms of bandwidth depending on the type of GPU in question. Really a Gen 5 x4 would be overkill today for the type of cooler you'd generally be able to pair with it short of like a M.2 AIO water block.

Next handful of generations are going to be amazing for miniaturization and thermals limitations for stuff like this. The amount of progress we're seeing is great. I think ITX boards could stand to load up the rear I/O with additional TB4 ports why not put 4 on the rear instead of 2 better I/O on the rear, but no need for all the added size of physical PCIE slots that don't work within the limits of the form factor.
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#35
nomdeplume
Shou MikoIt's interresting yes because than x8 cards could have 2xM.2. slots on the back to make it a full x16 card to not block airflow underneath or for smaller motherboards like micro-atx or itx boards you can still have extra m.2. storage.
It's a novelty. Would be interesting if the x8 card had dual channel memory slots for GDDR. :sleep:
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#36
kapone32
nomdeplumeIt's a novelty. Would be interesting if the x8 card had dual channel memory slots for GDDR. :sleep:
EXpandable VRAM. It's been done before too
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#37
ALMorgan
Hmmm...
I would have seen better the possibility of upgrading the GRAM of the graphics card instead of an additional SSD, but I think it is a complex option from a technical point of view.

Best ALMorgan
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#38
AnarchoPrimitiv
Seems like every motherboard these days comes with 4 or even 5 m.2 slots, and even mITX boards come with two or three, so I'm not sure what the application would be where a customer says, "Yes, I need this specific GPU because I specifically need and additional m.2 slot"
ShihabWhile mounted on a major heat-generating component, and with the chips' airflow constricted? I call bs...
The article specifically says that cooling wasn't an issue
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#39
Count von Schwalbe
kapone32Which B550 board did you have? This is for the PCIe slot connected to the CPU.
AsRock B550 PG4. It was an unusual case as I was using an Intel SSD with dual x2 interfaces (Optane/NAND)
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#40
trsttte
kapone32Even on AM4 it was the same. If you have a high end MB this might work
Not really, even my old and cheap msi b450 had the option for 8x 4x 4x or 4x4x4x4x without even having the slots for it. It's more common than people are making it out to be
AnarchoPrimitivYes, I need this specific GPU because I specifically need and additional m.2 slot
It's more of a want vs need and I could see some sense to it now that m.2's are getting really dirt cheap. Maybe this could become an alternative to have so many m.2 slots on the boards and we get pcie slots back but i'm not getting any hopes up lol
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#41
iO
trsttteNot really, even my old and cheap msi b450 had the option for 8x 4x 4x or 4x4x4x4x without even having the slots for it. It's more common than people are making it out to be
AFAIK MSI removed bifurcation support on most boards when they added ReBAR support. At least on my B450I and the tomahawk.
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#42
freeagent
This board has bifurcation. I don't remember if my -F does.
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#43
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
freeagentThis board has bifurcation. I don't remember if my -F does.
If I ran any nvme it would be on a daughterboard with a heatsink and fan like a gpu if not water cooled, otherwise I will stick to SATA...
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#44
kapone32
eidairaman1If I ran any nvme it would be on a daughterboard with a heatsink and fan like a gpu if not water cooled, otherwise I will stick to SATA...
You got that right. It is what I lament about the WD AN 1500. Then I got one of these when it was cheaper than the non Waterblock SSD. Corsair MP600 Pro XT. What I am going to use it for will be a PCIe 5.0 drive whenever I decide to get one.
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#47
Darmok N Jalad
The 2013 Mac Pro did something similar, as much as one can say the proprietary cards are similar. One of the 2 FirePros had the slot for the SSD card. I think everything ran through a bridge chip, since there were already 2 GPUs involved in every MP. I could see something like this being really nice for ITX form factor systems, where space is always at a premium.
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#48
JoeTheDestroyer
Ferrum MasterWell there's a mish mash. My Z590I VISION D does have bios options for it... IMHO there had to add some additional switch HW to have it working, basically fully route the RSV pins also.
For motherboards, it's entirely a software thing.

The host (i.e. chipset) has to support it, to grok what's being done w/ the different lanes. But given the preponderance of motherboards that have things like switchable slots (e.g., x16/x0 vs. x8/x8, which is bifurcation), I feel safe concluding that most if not all modern chipsets support it.

The card itself (e.g., this asus one, or m.2 breakout boards) does require some extra hardware, specifically a clock redriver. But that's small and relatively cheap.

The only thing motherboards need to do is have their bios turn the feature on and configure it properly. So, as I said, all software.
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#49
jaszy
I don't see where m.2 is lacking on modern boards.. My low-mid end Z690 literally has 4 slots... 3 of them being Gen4.

Regardless, it's cool that this can make use of the extra bandwidth via slot.
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#50
TheLostSwede
News Editor
Updated the article to note that it was actually Asus' China GM that was in the video and added another picture of the card.
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