I would buy a 5950X3D if they made one lol..

TomgangThis is like torture. AMD think of us with workstation and gaming pc in one. where are my 5950X3D?:confused:

Yes i know 5950X3D and for that matter 5900X3D has very very low chances of ever being a reality.

But Yeah i think as well the new cpus are just more deffective 5800X3D than cant be sold as a full 5800X3D. Reasons can be many like cant quite hold core clocks or smt and or some cores are deffective.

The 7900X3D answers all your questions. Where I live it is $400 cheaper than the 7950X3D and blows away the 5800X3D in productivity tasks

it'd have to be really cheap for me to upgrade from 5600X and stay on AM4 instead of going to AM5

freeagentI would buy a 5950X3D if they made one lol..

The 5950X is a beast no doubt.

dgianstefani5500X3D speedrun to dead on arrival even faster than 5600X3D.

Because what people are looking for in a gaming cream of the crop X3D chip is a six core part.

5500X3D seems perfect for upgrading a R5 2600 (if the price is right of course)

fevgatosYeah ill upgrade my 5800x 3d to a 5500x 3d cause the platform ain't dead. Gotcha

So, Nvidia releasing RTX 4090 first and lower models latter, means that RTX 4000 series is dead over a year now and we just wait here for the RTX 5000 series, or to be more precise, RTX 5090. After RTX 5090, RTX 5000 series will be considered dead, because every card released after RTX 5090 will be slower. Nice logic.

What? You think that graphics cards isn't a good example? OK.

As long as new options are released on the market, the socket is NOT dead. Not everyone on AM4 runs a 5800X3D or faster. People still running 1600, 2700, 3600, 5500 Ryzen CPUs, to just give a few examples, but where feeling that even a 5800X3D was way too expensive to justify an upgrade, they might find an 5500 X3D a great option that will give their platform more time. People who where thinking about an 5800 X3D but where waiting for one more slight drop of the price, might find 5700 X3D good enough.

Any NEW CPU that can offer the owner of a platform the option to keep it for even more time, is a proof that the platform is still supported.

Fungiit'd have to be really cheap for me to upgrade from 5600X and stay on AM4 instead of going to AM5

Not really; motherboard and 16gb of DDR5 already puts you at $300-350 before a CPU. If the rig is primarily for gaming there are significant benefits selling a 5600X for cheap and paying the small difference in the short term than spending hundreds on an entire platform change.

If availability and pricing aren’t horrendously out of proportion is a relatively good investment for gaming focused PCs on AM4

TheinsanegamerNQuestion. If the 500x3d, on sale for prices as low as $220 more then a year ago were not enough to convince you to upgrade, why would a downclocked version for the same price (or a gimped 6 core version for only a bit cheaper) be enough to convince you today?

Inflation, or deflation, depending on where you live?

freeagentI would buy a 5950X3D if they made one lol..

IIRC they made at least one, or was it 5900x3d in that presentation 2 years back o_O

TheinsanegamerNIt may not be dead but a EOL platform cannot be considered alive either. As AMD fanbois love to preach, every intel socket is DED because you cant fit 8 generations of CPU into it. AM4 is EOL, these chips are not new either, they're re binned versions of silicon that already exists.

Would be a lot nicer to see cheaper x3d parts and cheaper sub $200 6 core parts on am5 already.

LOL Schrodinger's Socket

A Computer GuyLOL Schrodinger's Socket

I'd rather buy a 5950x at $300 ~ anyone at AMD listening?

john_So, Nvidia releasing RTX 4090 first and lower models latter, means that RTX 4000 series is dead over a year now and we just wait here for the RTX 5000 series, or to be more precise, RTX 5090. After RTX 5090, RTX 5000 series will be considered dead, because every card released after RTX 5090 will be slower. Nice logic.

What? You think that graphics cards isn't a good example? OK.

As long as new options are released on the market, the socket is NOT dead. Not everyone on AM4 runs a 5800X3D or faster. People still running 1600, 2700, 3600, 5500 Ryzen CPUs, to just give a few examples, but where feeling that even a 5800X3D was way too expensive to justify an upgrade, they might find an 5500 X3D a great option that will give their platform more time. People who where thinking about an 5800 X3D but where waiting for one more slight drop of the price, might find 5700 X3D good enough.

Any NEW CPU that can offer the owner of a platform the option to keep it for even more time, is a proof that the platform is still supported.

Your logic is incredibly flawed here. AMD is releasing these not only more then a year after the x3d parts came out, but after their SUCCESOR platofrm came out, AND the successor x3d parts.

IF Nvidia released a 4080 super after the release of the 4090, the 5090, AND the 4080 super ti , yes it would be considered a DOA EOL product. Given the 5800x3d was on sale for as low as $219 last year (when I bought mine) you'll likely spend MORE on the 5700x3d today, or you'll buy a 5500x3d for more then the 5600x3d has gone for for much of this year.

It's a product line that doesnt make sense in context.

R0H1TI'd rather buy a 5950x at $300 ~ anyone at AMD listening?

The lowest I've seen it new at retail was $430.

Come on AMD, just release a 5950X3D. Please. You demo'd an early version as a proof-of-concept. Sure, it had 3DC on both dies, but I don't intend to really OC anyway.

TheinsanegamerNIF Nvidia released a 4080 super after the release of the 4090, the 5090, AND the 5080 super, yes it would be considered a DOA EOL product.

You sure about that?
www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1650-tu116.c3586

Also the comparison with CPU's is absurd any way.

TechLurkerCome on AMD, just release a 5950X3D. Please. You demo'd an early version as a proof-of-concept. Sure, it had 3DC on both dies, but I don't intend to really OC anyway.

An X3D with iGPU would be very nice to plug into my AM4 DeskMini. AMD make it happen!

A Computer GuyThe lowest I've seen it new at retail was $430.

Saw it around $350 last month including taxes. So it could go down to similar prices in the US, or maybe the etailer was just clearing stock?

TheinsanegamerNYour logic is incredibly flawed here. AMD is releasing these not only more then a year after the x3d parts came out, but after their SUCCESOR platofrm came out, AND the successor x3d parts.

IF Nvidia released a 4080 super after the release of the 4090, the 5090, AND the 4080 super ti , yes it would be considered a DOA EOL product. Given the 5800x3d was on sale for as low as $219 last year (when I bought mine) you'll likely spend MORE on the 5700x3d today, or you'll buy a 5500x3d for more then the 5600x3d has gone for for much of this year.

It's a product line that doesnt make sense in context.

Your bias is incredibly obvious here and you will find everything that doesn't suits you as incredibly flawed. (just playing with your own words here, don't take it personally)

Does the new CPUs offer the owner of the platform the option to keep it longer? Then the platform is alive and kicking.

Is Nvidia going to offer an RTX 3080 with 16GB of VRAM at $500 and an RTX 3070 with 16GB VRAM at $300? Then RTX 3000 series is alive and kicking.

People don't live next to a Microcenter, neither grab every sale they can spot on. People not buying an 5800X3D at $219 for various reasons, doesn't mean they wouldn't buy an even slightly more expensive 5700X3D today. TODAY that they will have to make their choice, an 5700X3D at let's say $249 could be a good enough excuse for them to keep the platform instead of upgrading to an new one.

R0H1TYou sure about that?
www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1650-tu116.c3586

Absolutely. That TU161650 is so obscure that despite living on GPU forums during the 2020/202 season I never so much as heard of this thing. Totally DOA.

R0H1TAlso the comparison with CPU's is absurd any way.

Yes, since GPUs are not socket dependent like CPUs are. Platform VS upgrade card is silly.

R0H1TSaw it around $350 last month including taxes. So it could go down to similar prices in the US, or maybe the etailer was just clearing stock?

When I've looked at AMD CPU pricing trends it seems once it goes 2 generations out the pricing gets ridiculous at least for new unused stock.
$350 would have been an exceptional deal. Observing early black friday deals on NewEgg is seems prices have been stagnant for a few months at least. Even during that fantastech sale over the summer.

Unless AMD has decided it won't let anyone sell it below $400 kinda like Apple(?) you should see all time low prices this time around, also given that there's been a marked slowdown in DIY sales wrt last year.

john_Your bias is incredibly obvious here and you will find everything that doesn't suits you as incredibly flawed.

And what bias would that be? I'd love to hear what I'm a shill for this time. Assuming you can name it, that is.

john_Does the new CPUs offer the owner of the platform the option to keep it longer? Then the platform is alive and kicking.

Is Nvidia going to offer an RTX 3080 with 16GB of VRAM at $500 and an RTX 3070 with 16GB VRAM at $300? Then RTX 3000 series is alive and kicking.

Your argument was that a 4080 launching was DOA because the 4090 existed. You took a lower product in the same stack and applied it to this, which is parts from an OBSOLETE previous gen stack being launched after their replacements have already been on the market. Now you cant refute that so you set up a strawman about different VRAM RTX 3000 series, which has nothing to do with the example you provided.

john_People don't live next to a Microcenter, neither grub every sale they can spot on. People not buying an 5800X3D at $219 for various reasons, doesn't mean they wouldn't buy an even slightly more expensive 5700X3D today. TODAY that they will have to make their choice, an 5700X3D at let/s say $249 could be a good enough excuse for them to keep the platform instead of upgrading to an new one.

These sales were common, spread all over the internet, and available on such hard to find sites as newegg and ebay. See, you ASSUMED with no evidence that I was quoting microcenter deals, making an arse of yourself in the process.

Just calm down for a minute and think about it. If that level of performance, at a lower price pre inflation crisis, wasnt enough to upgrade, why would a higher price at a time where spending is being cut back be appealing? Especially that now the 7000 series is out, and AMD isnt getting any newer zen chips. Assuming you were that strapped for cash that you are only now looking at upgrading on AM4, there are a whole host of gently used ryzen 5000 chips for WAY cheaper then this that will provide a nice boost for less $$$. This is targeting a niche of a niche market. It doesnt make a whole lot of sense, especially nearly 2 years after AM4 was EOL'd.

TheinsanegamerNQuestion. If the 500x3d, on sale for prices as low as $220 more then a year ago were not enough to convince you to upgrade, why would a downclocked version for the same price (or a gimped 6 core version for only a bit cheaper) be enough to convince you today?

I am not in need to upgrade. I own an AM5 system. But I will build a system for my kids when these little chips finally hit the market, if sold at the right price.

TheinsanegamerNAnd what bias would that be? I'd love to hear what I'm a shill for this time. Assuming you can name it, that is.

Your first argument was a kind of personal attack. Just send it back to you.

Your argument was that a 4080 launching was DOA because the 4090 existed. You took a lower product in the same stack and applied it to this, which is parts from an OBSOLETE previous gen stack being launched after their replacements have already been on the market. Now you cant refute that so you set up a strawman about different VRAM RTX 3000 series, which has nothing to do with the example you provided.

Oh come on. I am replying to YOUR EXAMPLE. You talked about a 4080 super AFTER 5090. So I gave you an example of a 3000 series card AFTER 4000 was released.

But I guess it's easier to reject the example than giving an answer here. Does your reply here answer your question? I think it does.
Tell me something. An RTX 3070 with 16GB of VRAM at $300, wouldn't be a good reason for many to choose the older series than the newest? What do you think those X3D chips are meant for?

These sales were common, spread all over the internet, and available on such hard to find sites as newegg and ebay. See, you ASSUMED with no evidence that I was quoting microcenter deals, making an arse of yourself in the process.

Hello strawman? (not biased he says....) You focus on Microcenter, you ignore everything you don't have an argument about. There are so many sales this period in Greece (some companies are advertising "Black November" to justify an extensive period of sales) that I would need to buy a warehouse first to grab them all. I am ignoring a number of sales, because I don't have the time and the immediate need for all those products. But next month I might need one of those and yes. And yes, I will pay more to buy it then, compared to today.

Just calm down for a minute and think about it. If that level of performance, at a lower price pre inflation crisis, wasnt enough to upgrade, why would a higher price at a time where spending is being cut back be appealing? Especially that now the 7000 series is out, and AMD isnt getting any newer zen chips. Assuming you were that strapped for cash that you are only now looking at upgrading on AM4, there are a whole host of gently used ryzen 5000 chips for WAY cheaper then this that will provide a nice boost for less $$$. This is targeting a niche of a niche market. It doesnt make a whole lot of sense, especially nearly 2 years after AM4 was EOL'd.

Look, I am pretty calm down, but I am going to stop replying to you, because you are NOT replying to me, you are just made "an arse of yourself in" no time. You just take one word or half my sentence, completely distort it to create a non existing argument, ignore anything it doesn't suits you and then talk about strawmans and flawed logic.

Anyway. Think at least this. If AMD is throwing new models in the market, they have done their research and they know there are people in the DIY market that want those options to not change platform. And considering that those people are people on a budget, they are probably going to Intel, an i5 with more cores than an R5, even if many of those cores are E cores and probably a cheap mobo with DDR4 support. AMD is trying to keep that target group on AM4, as long as possible.

They have this many x3d rejects? I have a feeling PS5 pro CPU is going to be 5000 series x3d.

TheinsanegamerNAnd what bias would that be? I'd love to hear what I'm a shill for this time. Assuming you can name it, that is.

Your argument was that a 4080 launching was DOA because the 4090 existed. You took a lower product in the same stack and applied it to this, which is parts from an OBSOLETE previous gen stack being launched after their replacements have already been on the market. Now you cant refute that so you set up a strawman about different VRAM RTX 3000 series, which has nothing to do with the example you provided.

These sales were common, spread all over the internet, and available on such hard to find sites as newegg and ebay. See, you ASSUMED with no evidence that I was quoting microcenter deals, making an arse of yourself in the process.

Just calm down for a minute and think about it. If that level of performance, at a lower price pre inflation crisis, wasnt enough to upgrade, why would a higher price at a time where spending is being cut back be appealing? Especially that now the 7000 series is out, and AMD isnt getting any newer zen chips. Assuming you were that strapped for cash that you are only now looking at upgrading on AM4, there are a whole host of gently used ryzen 5000 chips for WAY cheaper then this that will provide a nice boost for less $$$. This is targeting a niche of a niche market. It doesnt make a whole lot of sense, especially nearly 2 years after AM4 was EOL'd.

Anyone with interest in a 5000 series X3D chip is not going to be enticed by second hand/low cost non 3D chips when the primary difference and importance is the 3D vcache; theres a stark performance difference between them when looking at the reason they be purchased in the first place.