Tuesday, November 14th 2023
AMD Readies Ryzen 7 5700X3D and Ryzen 5 5500X3D Socket AM4 Processors
AMD Socket AM4 users are in for a treat, as the company plans two more processor models in the Ryzen 5000X3D series, according to chi11eddog, a reliable source with AMD leaks. Although based on the older "Zen 3" microarchitecture, these chips feature 3D Vertical Cache technology, which helps shore up their gaming performance to levels comparable at least to 12th Gen Intel Core "Alder Lake," giving Socket AM4 platform users a cost-effective upgrade path to prolong their gaming PC builds that could be as old as 5 years now. If you recall, AMD has formally extended "Zen 3" and 3D V-cache support to all Socket AM4 chipset generations, including AMD 300-series.
Among the two new processor models are the Ryzen 7 5700X3D, and the Ryzen 5 5500X3D. The 5700X3D is an 8-core/16-thread processor with 100 MB of total cache (that's 512 KB of L2 cache per core, plus 96 MB of L3 cache); while the Ryzen 5 5500X3D is a 6-core/12-thread chip with 99 MB of total cache. What sets the 5700X3D and 5500X3D apart from the 5800X3D and 5600X3D are lower clock speeds, and possibly, lower TDP. Both chips come with a base frequency of 3.00 GHz, compared to the 3.30 GHz of the 5600X3D and 3.40 GHz of the 5800X3D. The 5700X3D boosts up to 4.10 GHz compared to the 4.50 GHz of the 5800X3D; while the 5500X3D boosts up to 4.00 GHz when compared to 4.40 GHz of the 5600X3D. Both the 5800X3D and 5600X3D have their TDP rated at 105 W, so it's possible that AMD is using lower TDP and PPT values for the 5700X3D and 5500X3D. There's no word on when the two new chips are coming out, although AMD continues to release updates to the Socket AM4 AGESA microcode, with the latest version ComboAM4v2 1.2.0.B being released as recently as September 2023.
Source:
chi11eddog (Twitter)
Among the two new processor models are the Ryzen 7 5700X3D, and the Ryzen 5 5500X3D. The 5700X3D is an 8-core/16-thread processor with 100 MB of total cache (that's 512 KB of L2 cache per core, plus 96 MB of L3 cache); while the Ryzen 5 5500X3D is a 6-core/12-thread chip with 99 MB of total cache. What sets the 5700X3D and 5500X3D apart from the 5800X3D and 5600X3D are lower clock speeds, and possibly, lower TDP. Both chips come with a base frequency of 3.00 GHz, compared to the 3.30 GHz of the 5600X3D and 3.40 GHz of the 5800X3D. The 5700X3D boosts up to 4.10 GHz compared to the 4.50 GHz of the 5800X3D; while the 5500X3D boosts up to 4.00 GHz when compared to 4.40 GHz of the 5600X3D. Both the 5800X3D and 5600X3D have their TDP rated at 105 W, so it's possible that AMD is using lower TDP and PPT values for the 5700X3D and 5500X3D. There's no word on when the two new chips are coming out, although AMD continues to release updates to the Socket AM4 AGESA microcode, with the latest version ComboAM4v2 1.2.0.B being released as recently as September 2023.
105 Comments on AMD Readies Ryzen 7 5700X3D and Ryzen 5 5500X3D Socket AM4 Processors
Im pretty excited to see what the cheapest x3d chip can do, and think it is a very smart move for AMD to keep AM4 relevant.
AMD 1 month later: "Good news x370 users! You can now run 5000 series on it too!"
Me: "@#^#%^@#!"
Current Me: Buys 5900X
AMD 1 month later: "We're releasing more X3D 5000 series! Tee hee...tee hee hee hee..."
Current Me: *Insert beginnings of a family guy chicken coupon brawl here
Actually, I'm more than happy with my 5900X. Does everything I want it to and am not really bummed for not getting the 5800X3D.
I don't know your specific case, maybe you got the runaround with mobo support like user NC37 but in general the 5800x3d is an excelent upgrade performance and cost wise.www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d/22.html
The 7900x3d should slot somewhere in the middle between the 5800x3d and the 7950x3d. It's perfectly fine to be happy with ones purchase but I doubt you can significantly see what will be at most a 5% difference between both systems.
And it doesn't matter where the 7900x 3d is in the chart. Even if it's on the top of the chart (it isn't, cause 6 core gaming lmao) - there is no difference between that and a 5800x 3d with a 7900xt.
1. 2 CCDs with 6 cores produce less heat than 2 CCDs with 8 cores period less heat means more performance for Ryzen.
2. There are no Games that use more than 4 cores for raster
3. Rebar and Hyper RX are real improvements in raw performance
For the AMD users that have not met him let me expand as there is no TPU review. For those that have the 5900x, you know how that CPU just feels smooth in everything? For those that have a 5950X you know how that CPU feels snappy in everything? The 7900X3D is everything you want if you went from one of those to the 5800X3D and lament the Productivity performance (3DMark) to go to the fastest PC I have ever owned. I could post numbers but all I can say is all of the problems people have been complaining about for new releases have been a non issue for me. You see I actually believe what AMD tells me. So when I had my 6800XT and heard about 7000 I bought myself a FV43U. Using the 5800X3D/6800XT system I had to play some Games at 1440P the get over 100 FPS. Then I got the 7900XTX and that was great until something happened. I got my refund and saw that the 7900XT was $400 cheaper than the XTX for the series I had a Water block for. I got it and noticed maybe 10% less performance but I was getting close to 100 FPS in 4K. Then I got the 7900X3D and saw everything (even TW) consistently play at 120+ fps in all Games. Then AMD Drivers did there thing and today I have Hyper RX a software update that automatically applies those settings in Adrenlin. So now MSI Afterbutner is an after thought as AMD Overlay is even more granular than that and as AMD laptops evolve all AMD systems will benefit with the APU/GPU communication they are developing.
PS: I bought a MP700 1TB and that is about 15-20% faster than the Seagate FireCuda 530 2TB in daily use as an OS drive.
None of what I have said is hyperbole. This is after all an X3D thread and obviously AMD wants as many people to find their sweet spot for X3D chips. I am willing to bet that the 5500X3D will be a very popular first time chip and 6600s are actually around $200 CAD so the $600 Gaming PC may come back. I know the budget end has been crying for some love.
If products and updates are still being released for a platform, even if the products are just cut-down or modified versions of previous products, the platform is not dead.
It's possible for a CPU manufacturer to support multiple platforms at once (and therefore have multiple platforms that are not dead), and that's exactly what AMD is doing here with AM4 and AM5. Not every new CPU has to be a high-end model released for the newest platform, and a platform doesn't immediately become dead the moment a newer platform comes along.
AMD is treating AM4 as a low-end platform which will exist alongside AM5 for high-end processors, at least until releasing low-end Zen 4 desktop processors becomes more profitable than continuing to sell Zen 3 for AM4, like what they did a few years ago for AM3+ and FM2+, and what Intel did for LGA 1155 alongside LGA 1356. In both cases, 2 platforms were supported alongside each other for desktop processors at different price points.
By your logic, you may as well say that AM5 is dead too, because sTR5 was recently announced.No... So why even bother to bring it up?
If a CPU isn't powerful enough to run the rest of the game's calculations that need to be performed every frame (this can include calculating resources, physics, etc) faster than the GPU can generate frames, it will bottleneck the GPU, regardless of what the raster threads are doing.
The point that fevgatos and trsttte are making is that in most modern games at 4K ultra settings, with a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and an RX 7900 XT, performance will be limited by the GPU, so upgrading the CPU to a 7900X3D will not result in a significant increase to fps. This doesn't apply to all games, but it is demonstrably true for most, and benchmarks easily prove this.
What was "feeds my GPU 3-5 more GB/s VRAM" even supposed to mean? The CPU isn't connected to the VRAM, so it doesn't directly affect your VRAM bandwidth in any way. The CPU communicates with the GPU through PCIe. In what situations are you seeing your GPU get more VRAM bandwidth with the 7900X3D than with a 5800X3D, and does it actually affect performance? A more powerful CPU could potentially increase the VRAM usage with reBAR enabled as it would be able to access and use data from the GPU more often, but describing this as "feeding the GPU more VRAM" is completely backwards - it's using more bandwidth, not providing more bandwidth.
If you had read my comments, the logic I was criticizing was using the "4080 is obsolete because the 4090 exists" argument, because those are different products in the same stack, whereas the 5700x3d is a different product in a previous stack. I criticize the 5700/5500x3d because the 5800/5600 have been available for quite some time, with multiple sales that put them below the expected MSRP of these parts, said sales were easy to find and lasted quite some time. If someone wanted x3d at this price, well its been available for awhile already, and the niche of "wants a x3d and is willing to pay asking price but WASNT willing to buy at a cheaper price for over a year and still wants to dump hundreds into a EOL platform" is rather......how do we say? Small? Who are these people and why did they not get a 5800x3d when they were going for $220? Or the 5600x3ds that were on sale for $150 at one point?
But everyone's response to this question so far has been to accuse me of being biased(?) or just straight up anger. Tells me I'm on the right track here in saying these are likely a waste of time when there is such a major hole in the AM5 stack for a decent low price product.
www.amd.com/en/gaming/featured-games/avatar-pandora.html
That could be why the 7900xt is the card for 4K in this Game and that is not me but AMD saying that.
Do you know what Hyper RX is? Just because everyone one of relevance on Youtube uses a 4090 for their rigs means that other cards are not viable at that resolution.
The funniest is that I don't even have the BIOS that puts my card to 400W power draw. You could ask yourself how a GPU with the specs of the 7900XT could be considered a bottleneck at 4K.