Wednesday, December 13th 2023
Intel Claims Meteor Lake Beating Ryzen 7040 Phoenix in both Graphics and CPU Performance
Intel on Wednesday held a pre-launch round-table with HotHardware, in which it made several performance disclosures of its upcoming Core "Meteor Lake" mobile processor, comparing it with the current U-segment chips based on the 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake," and competing AMD Ryzen 7040 "Phoenix." In these, the company is claiming that its next-generation iGPU based on the Xe-LPG graphics architecture, armed with 128 EU, is significantly outperforming the Radeon 780M RDNA3 iGPU of the Ryzen 7040, while its CPU is ahead in multi-threaded performance.
In its comparison, the company picked the Core Ultra 7 165H, a middle-of-the-market performance segment part in the 28 W class. This is compared to the Core i7-1370P "Raptor Lake," and the AMD Ryzen 7 7840U. The company also dropped in the fastest Windows-ready Arm chip in the market, the Qualcomm 8cx Gen 3. In the 33 games that the 165H was compared to the 7840U, the Intel iGPU is shown posting performance leads ranging between 3% to 70% over the Radeon 780M, in 23 out of 33 games. In one of the games, the two perform on par with each other. In 9 out of 33 games, the Radeon 780M beats the Intel Xe-LPG by 2% to 18%. The iGPU of the 165H packs 8 Xe cores, or 128 EU (1,024 unified shaders). The Radeon 780M is powered by 12 RDNA3 compute units (768 stream processors).The Core Ultra 7 165H is a 16-core/22-thread processor, with 6 P-cores, 8 E-cores, and 2 L-cores (low-power island cores). The company put out a selection of multi-threaded CPU performance benchmarks, where it compared the chip to an i7-1370P (6P+8E), and the 7840U (8-core). In its benchmarks, Intel claims that the 165H is an average of 11% faster than the 7840U, and 9% faster than the i7-1370P, which is claimed to be 2% faster than the 7840U. All three chips are claimed to be of a similar power class, catering to the same category of thin-and-light notebooks.
Intel also demonstrated the power management benefits of the 2 low-power island cores in the SoC tile of the "Meteor Lake." The hardware scheduler of the processor is programmed to direct processing load to these cores first, and depending on their performance demand, upgrade them to the E-cores of the Compute tile, and then onward to the P-cores. When idling or with very low performance demand, all background tasks are relegated to the LP island cores, allowing the processor to clock-gate the Compute tile. This results in power savings ranging anywhere between 8% to 35%. Intel considers tasks such as video playback on online streaming services, or web-browsing, as workloads that can be relegated to the LP island cores for such power savings.
Sources:
HotHardware (YouTube), VideoCardz
In its comparison, the company picked the Core Ultra 7 165H, a middle-of-the-market performance segment part in the 28 W class. This is compared to the Core i7-1370P "Raptor Lake," and the AMD Ryzen 7 7840U. The company also dropped in the fastest Windows-ready Arm chip in the market, the Qualcomm 8cx Gen 3. In the 33 games that the 165H was compared to the 7840U, the Intel iGPU is shown posting performance leads ranging between 3% to 70% over the Radeon 780M, in 23 out of 33 games. In one of the games, the two perform on par with each other. In 9 out of 33 games, the Radeon 780M beats the Intel Xe-LPG by 2% to 18%. The iGPU of the 165H packs 8 Xe cores, or 128 EU (1,024 unified shaders). The Radeon 780M is powered by 12 RDNA3 compute units (768 stream processors).The Core Ultra 7 165H is a 16-core/22-thread processor, with 6 P-cores, 8 E-cores, and 2 L-cores (low-power island cores). The company put out a selection of multi-threaded CPU performance benchmarks, where it compared the chip to an i7-1370P (6P+8E), and the 7840U (8-core). In its benchmarks, Intel claims that the 165H is an average of 11% faster than the 7840U, and 9% faster than the i7-1370P, which is claimed to be 2% faster than the 7840U. All three chips are claimed to be of a similar power class, catering to the same category of thin-and-light notebooks.
Intel also demonstrated the power management benefits of the 2 low-power island cores in the SoC tile of the "Meteor Lake." The hardware scheduler of the processor is programmed to direct processing load to these cores first, and depending on their performance demand, upgrade them to the E-cores of the Compute tile, and then onward to the P-cores. When idling or with very low performance demand, all background tasks are relegated to the LP island cores, allowing the processor to clock-gate the Compute tile. This results in power savings ranging anywhere between 8% to 35%. Intel considers tasks such as video playback on online streaming services, or web-browsing, as workloads that can be relegated to the LP island cores for such power savings.
29 Comments on Intel Claims Meteor Lake Beating Ryzen 7040 Phoenix in both Graphics and CPU Performance
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Squinting it looks like the fifth bar is microsoft teams and shows no improvement. lol teams.
The 1370p is like consuming 10W more than the 7840U consistently in all core applications.
It translate to 20% more power consumption.
It is not the same at all.
1370p has a TDP of 28W, but has a 'Turbo power' of 64W.
In notebookcheck's review it usually hovers around 60W all-core
14 Cores vs 8 Cores and only 11% faster in multi threaded apps? :roll: oh dear!
for those who don't know, 28w on intel is equivalent to almost 70-80w, And to think this will go up against Zen5.:p
Edit: Intel confirms single threaded performance is lower vs Raptor Lake.
videocardz.com/newz/intel-launches-core-ultra-100-meteor-lake-series-up-to-16-cpu-cores-arc-gpu-with-8-xe-core-and-improved-ai-performance
So much for ‘serious’ IPC increase on the P cores.
They generally announce their mobile parts on CES, so Zen 5 APUs at earliest will probably be in CES 2025(i.e. January 2025).
This is important as Meteor Lake doesn't compete with any random CPU SKU but really just the mobile variants.
So it will really depend on how well, Meteor Lake does against Phoenix/Hawk Point(which is a Phoenix refresh) and if they can deliver Arrow Lake on time to compete against Zen 5 APUs.
Intel's driver team has been improving at a decent pace since the Arc A750 and A770 launches last year but they are still very much a "tinkerer's experiment" and nowhere near as good, reliable, or trouble-free as AMD or Nvidia options. If you're lucky, you might get it working with comparable performance to the competition in DX12 titles, but the overwhelming majority of titles you are likely to be running on a thin-and-light ultraportable laptop with integrated graphics are going to be DX11 or older. You will not find a single review outlet on the web recommend ARC graphics cards to anyone not willing to spend a lot of time troubleshooting, editing .ini files, replacing .dlls, and being okay with waiting a few weeks or months for new games to run without major issues.
Putting that up against Meteor Lake would have been like watching a Jedi fight a quadriplegic.