Wednesday, December 13th 2023

Intel Claims Meteor Lake Beating Ryzen 7040 Phoenix in both Graphics and CPU Performance

Intel on Wednesday held a pre-launch round-table with HotHardware, in which it made several performance disclosures of its upcoming Core "Meteor Lake" mobile processor, comparing it with the current U-segment chips based on the 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake," and competing AMD Ryzen 7040 "Phoenix." In these, the company is claiming that its next-generation iGPU based on the Xe-LPG graphics architecture, armed with 128 EU, is significantly outperforming the Radeon 780M RDNA3 iGPU of the Ryzen 7040, while its CPU is ahead in multi-threaded performance.

In its comparison, the company picked the Core Ultra 7 165H, a middle-of-the-market performance segment part in the 28 W class. This is compared to the Core i7-1370P "Raptor Lake," and the AMD Ryzen 7 7840U. The company also dropped in the fastest Windows-ready Arm chip in the market, the Qualcomm 8cx Gen 3. In the 33 games that the 165H was compared to the 7840U, the Intel iGPU is shown posting performance leads ranging between 3% to 70% over the Radeon 780M, in 23 out of 33 games. In one of the games, the two perform on par with each other. In 9 out of 33 games, the Radeon 780M beats the Intel Xe-LPG by 2% to 18%. The iGPU of the 165H packs 8 Xe cores, or 128 EU (1,024 unified shaders). The Radeon 780M is powered by 12 RDNA3 compute units (768 stream processors).
The Core Ultra 7 165H is a 16-core/22-thread processor, with 6 P-cores, 8 E-cores, and 2 L-cores (low-power island cores). The company put out a selection of multi-threaded CPU performance benchmarks, where it compared the chip to an i7-1370P (6P+8E), and the 7840U (8-core). In its benchmarks, Intel claims that the 165H is an average of 11% faster than the 7840U, and 9% faster than the i7-1370P, which is claimed to be 2% faster than the 7840U. All three chips are claimed to be of a similar power class, catering to the same category of thin-and-light notebooks.

Intel also demonstrated the power management benefits of the 2 low-power island cores in the SoC tile of the "Meteor Lake." The hardware scheduler of the processor is programmed to direct processing load to these cores first, and depending on their performance demand, upgrade them to the E-cores of the Compute tile, and then onward to the P-cores. When idling or with very low performance demand, all background tasks are relegated to the LP island cores, allowing the processor to clock-gate the Compute tile. This results in power savings ranging anywhere between 8% to 35%. Intel considers tasks such as video playback on online streaming services, or web-browsing, as workloads that can be relegated to the LP island cores for such power savings.
Sources: HotHardware (YouTube), VideoCardz
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29 Comments on Intel Claims Meteor Lake Beating Ryzen 7040 Phoenix in both Graphics and CPU Performance

#26
Punkenjoy
No single thread performance?


This look like a future Bulldozer moment for Intel. i hope that i am wrong but since they barely compete against a CPU that will be 1 year old and the 8xxx APU are coming early next year (shipping now), i doubt that they will be able to compete soon with AMD.

There will be a double whammy with Strix point still in 2024. i hope that i am wrong.
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#27
Squared
I don't think this is like Bulldozer. Bulldozer was a whole new architecture on a whole new node and it performed worse than its predecessor in single -threaded tasks while also using more power. Moreover AMD was pretty much stuck with that node for 5 years. (AMD did eventually migrate from 32nm to 28nm, but the 28nm node was GPU-centric and killed AMD's desktop CPU line.) Bulldozer was so inefficient that AMD ported their old architecture to 32nm for the mobile market. Piledriver, Bulldozer's successor, pretty much fixed every issue, but Bulldozer competed against Sandy Bridge, Intel's wildly successful microarchitecture, and Piledriver competed against Ivy Bridge built on Intel's equally wildly successful 22nm node.

It is true that Meteor Lake is only coming to mobile (probably because it can't clock high enough for desktop) and it's a regression in single-threaded performance and it's late to market at a time when Intel needs a win. But it's efficient and has a great iGPU. It's not using a new CPU microarchitecture, so the regression in CPU performance is on the Intel 4 node and not on the design. (The E core microarchitecture is new but the multithreaded performance is better so I think those cores really have improved.) AMD isn't making stellar leaps; Zen 4 is good but not spectacular like what Bulldozer was against, and RDNA3 is probably why Meteor Lake's iGPU looks so good. And Intel won't be stuck on Intel 4 forever; Intel 3 and 20A are both due next year.

Bulldozer was a failure that AMD's entire future was built on. Meteor Lake is just another step down Intel's decline. I'd say it's more like Ice Lake, but at least this time Intel didn't precede it with a line that never really came to market (Cannon Lake). Ice Lake was followed by Tiger Lake which was great on mobile and Alder Lake which was great on desktop, so maybe there's hope for Arrow Lake and Lunar Lake. But the fact that Intel has been talking so much about Lunar Lake makes me think that Arrow Lake isn't looking much better than Meteor Lake.
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#28
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
darakianThe power numbers look quite good. +10% perf over zen 4 means that zen 5 will likely take back the crown whenever it's available, but I feel like most people expected that already. Good to see the tile architecture paying off in power draw though.

Edit:
Squinting it looks like the fifth bar is microsoft teams and shows no improvement. lol teams.
Imagine that, an electron app sucks at performance and needs better hardware. Go figure.
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#29
user556
CrackongAccording to Intel ark.
1370p has a TDP of 28W, but has a 'Turbo power' of 64W.

In notebookcheck's review it usually hovers around 60W all-core
Yeah, there's Intel's repeated big lie.
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