Tuesday, June 18th 2024

First Reviews are Live and Snapdragon X Elite Doesn't Quite Deliver on Promised Performance

The first reviews of a notebook with Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite SoC have appeared today, and it looks like the promised performance isn't quite there. And yes, all the reviews that went live today are all based on Asus' Vivobook S 15 OLED, so it might be a bit too early to state that Qualcomm isn't delivering on its claimed performance, as other manufacturers might deliver better performance. Let's start with the battery life. The Vivobook S 15 OLED comes with a 70 Wh battery pack which enables it to deliver better battery life than many AMD or Intel notebooks, but Apple's MacBook Air 15 M3 delivers on average a 40 percent better battery life, with a smaller 66.5 Wh battery pack. Browsing the web or watching movies aren't really too taxing for the Snapdragon X Elite, but under heavier loads the battery life drops off a cliff.

When it comes to application performance, the Snapdragon X Elite offers good multicore performance in benchmarks like Cinebench 2024 and PCMark 10, but it falls way behind in most other tests, ranging from video encoding to file extraction and document conversion, with Intel Core Ultra 7 155H based notebooks often pulling ahead by 50 percent or more. Despite being equipped with LPDDR5X-8448 memory, the Snapdragon X Elite falls behind in both the memory copy and write tests in AIDA64 compared to the Intel powered laptops. However, it's not all doom and gloom, as the Qualcomm chip delivers an impressive memory latency of a mere 8.1 ns, compared to 100+ for the Intel based laptops. It also outclasses the Intel laptops when it comes to memory read performance.
Asus went with a fairly basic Micron 2400 SSD which is a DRAM-less Phison based drive and this might be part of the reason for some of the less flattering results in some tests. However, this shouldn't affect the gaming tests and this is another area where the Snapdragon X Elite doesn't deliver, and most games are unplayable at 1080p resolution. Many games don't run on the Qualcomm chip for obvious reasons, but many that do, suffer from texture and graphics glitches at times. Most games don't even manage 30 FPS at reduced graphics settings, let alone 60 FPS, but then again, this is hardly expected from an integrated GPU. Considering that the Vivobook S 15 OLED comes in at US$1300 with 16 GB of RAM and 1 TB SSD, you would expect it to deliver in terms of performance, but it seems like Qualcomm and Microsoft have a lot of work to do to optimize the platform as a whole.
Sources: Windows Central, Notebook Check (in German)
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124 Comments on First Reviews are Live and Snapdragon X Elite Doesn't Quite Deliver on Promised Performance

#26
Neo_Morpheus
So, they lied, just like every single time that intel marketing shows anything new.

Thats a good trait to copy. :)
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#27
wNotyarD
TheinsanegamerNExcept that, according to reddit users, these two cases are exclusionary. You can have 15 hour battery life OR run emulated apps, but not both. When doing both battery life is comparable to cheaper more powerful x86 machines.

I'll give apple this, this is something they fixed before launch. By all accounts macOS ARM binary translation battery life is still really good.
Apple had the benefit of hardware control, and actually killing x32 support before transitioning from x86_64 to ARM64. Lotsa less legacy to carry around and translate with Rosetta.
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#28
phanbuey
wNotyarDApple had the benefit of hardware control, and actually killing x32 support before transitioning from x86_64 to ARM64. Lotsa less legacy to carry around and translate with Rosetta.
Plus they did it before with PowerPC to x86, and they were doing it the whole time porting apps to iOS from OSX.

They were already porting when the iPad Pro came out. On top of having a tighter software stack, they spent at least 10x the time and money porting.

Bottom line is, you cant come out with a $1300 machine that gets beaten by $900-$1000 machines on all sides. I can't imagine these are selling well.
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#29
Beermotor
EatingDirtEvery year we're promised that ARM will replace x86 in the performance category, and the next new ARM processor is hyped up. Every year that hype dies because it turns out the ARM processor isn't as fast. Someday it might happen, but looks like, yet again, it's not this year.
Yes indeed. Back in the 90s the DEC Alpha and PowerPC chips were supposed to definitely supplant x86 and an almost exact scenario played out both times.

ISA compatibility is a gigantic brick wall that consumers don't want to have to surmount.
They'll just keep buying x86 and just deal with the minor inconvenience of slightly more frequent charging.
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#30
wNotyarD
phanbueyBottom line is, you cant come out with a $1300 machine that gets beaten by $900-$1000 machines on all sides. I can't imagine these are selling well.
Especially not when no one actually knows how they perform all-around. WHERE ARE THEM REVIEWS?

But I might add that even the sample of 1 device that we know something of has actually better results than I expected. Compared to the pathetic 8cx, Qualcomm evolved leaps and bounds with the X Elite.
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#33
R0H1T
EatingDirtEvery year we're promised that ARM will replace x86 in the performance category, and the next new ARM processor is hyped up.
Well Apple could in theory wipe out the entire sub $1k Windows laptops if they weren't so greedy SoB's ~ so no you're wrong about "ARM" as a whole! Having said that, like I said in other threads, it really depends a lot on the software you use :ohwell:

www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Air-13-M3-review-A-lot-faster-and-with-Wi-Fi-6E.811129.0.html
www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Air-15-M3-review-Apple-s-large-everyday-MacBook-gets-a-power-up.811701.0.html
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#34
wNotyarD
R0H1TWell Apple could in theory wipe out the entire sub $1k Windows laptop if they weren't so greedy SoB's ~ so no you're wrong about "ARM" as a whole! Having said that, like I said in other threads, it really depends a lot on the software you use :ohwell:
Technically, the M1 MBA Air is a banger for what it costs now (~USD720 around here). If only this price wasn't for that measly 8G/256G configuration...
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#35
R0H1T
Yes if they offered even a reasonably priced 16GB/1TB ~ RAM &/or NAND upgrade they'd have a lot more market share!
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#36
persondb
However, it's not all doom and gloom, as the Qualcomm chip delivers an impressive memory latency of a mere 8.1 ns
The memory latency is better than L3 latency of most chips?
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#37
Neo_Morpheus
BeermotorDEC Alpha and PowerPC
Alpha was killed by Compaq, because they believed the lies stated by Intel with the upcoming Itanium.

PowerPC failed mostly because of Apple.

The original plan was to have an open platform (CHRP) that would accept all OS (Win NT, OS/2, Unix and MacOS)

NT and Unix were ported, OS/2 was delayed (and then canceled) and Apple pretended to be stupid and never released MacOS as originally planned (they went with the clones though.)

Everyone bailed, Apple volumes weren’t enough to sustain the development cost and ended moving to Intel.

Its more complicated than that (and I’m going by memory) but its the gist as to why PowerPC died.
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#38
R0H1T
Intel had the most efficient desktop & laptop processors at the time, surely that helped right? Talking about Conroe so 2005/06 or slightly later.
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#39
AnotherReader
Neo_MorpheusAlpha was killed by Compaq, because they believed the lies stated by Intel with the upcoming Itanium.

PowerPC failed mostly because of Apple.

The original plan was to have an open platform (CHRP) that would accept all OS (Win NT, OS/2, Unix and MacOS)

NT and Unix were ported, OS/2 was delayed (and then canceled) and Apple pretended to be stupid and never released MacOS as originally planned (they went with the clones though.)

Everyone bailed, Apple volumes weren’t enough to sustain the development cost and ended moving to Intel.

Its more complicated than that (and I’m going by memory) but its the gist as to why PowerPC died.
The failure of RISC to supplant x86 was clear when the Pentium Pro became the SpecInt champion.
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#40
TheLostSwede
News Editor
persondbThe memory latency is better than L3 latency of most chips?
But does it matter in real world applications?
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#41
AnotherReader
TheLostSwedeBut does it matter in real world applications?
DRAM latency can not be better than L3. Either the test is flawed or their prefetchers are very good.
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#42
TheLostSwede
News Editor
AnotherReaderDRAM latency can not be better than L3. Either the test is flawed or their prefetchers are very good.
Well, they didn't post cache latencies.
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#43
bonehead123
TheLostSwedeAsus went with a fairly basic Micron 2400 SSD which is a DRAM-less Phison based drive and this might be part of the reason for some of the less flattering results
Well knowing AsSus they way I do, this was merely ANUTHA way for them to shave a few pennies off their build costs, that's all !
TheLostSwedeConsidering that the Vivobook S 15 OLED comes in at US$1300 with 16 GB of RAM and 1 TB SSD, you would expect it to deliver in terms of performance, but it seems like Qualcomm and Microsoft have a lot of work to do to optimize the platform as a whole.
Yes I would not only expect it to deliver, but DEMAND it for that price, and YES, they have ALOT of work to do before they can really make any substantial performance wins over other lappys already out there...I realize this basically a Gen 1 product in most respects, but just sayin, all the hype is apparently just that, so far !

Also, those specs aren't much to brag about, as again, there a many better-spec'd lappys out there in this price range that will outperform it...
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#44
ymdhis
It obviously did not deliver as it did not have AI in the product title.
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#45
TheinsanegamerN
R0H1TWell Apple could in theory wipe out the entire sub $1k Windows laptops if they weren't so greedy SoB's ~ so no you're wrong about "ARM" as a whole! Having said that, like I said in other threads, it really depends a lot on the software you use :ohwell:

www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Air-13-M3-review-A-lot-faster-and-with-Wi-Fi-6E.811129.0.html
www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Air-15-M3-review-Apple-s-large-everyday-MacBook-gets-a-power-up.811701.0.html
Apple's not interested in budget machines nor the audiences they attract and the problems they bring.
wNotyarDApple had the benefit of hardware control, and actually killing x32 support before transitioning from x86_64 to ARM64. Lotsa less legacy to carry around and translate with Rosetta.
32 bit is arguably a lot easier to emulate then x64 is, and it destroyed a lot of backwards compatibility. Not that apple has ever cared, but the windows world cant get away with such actions.
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#46
R0H1T
Even if it's not a grand slam(?) it's still a great first try. This should hopefully lower prices from Intel/AMD & if sun starts setting in the east then Apple as well :slap:
TheinsanegamerNApple's not interested in budget machines nor the audiences they attract and the problems they bring.
One can hope because maybe/eventually they'll run out of sheep?
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#47
destruya
So in other words, wait a month or two and you'll be able to buy these for a song as a nice bedside Chromebook alternative. Got it.

Just another lesson to NEVER PREORDER.
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#49
Evrsr
Like some reviews before, this day 1 review on Notebook Check is fishy.

Dave2D posted numbers that are very good, even on the GPU front. Not Meteor Lake good on the GPU but still, quite good.
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#50
Denver
Wow... The performance at 20w collapses... Loses in all real-world scenarios vs x86 zen4/MeteorLake competitors, including battery life.

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