alawadhi3000RDNA2 to RDNA 3 TFLOPs comparison is more or less valid if you are talking about rasterization performance and take into account that RDNA3 has dual issue FP32 ALUs (TLDR divide RDNA3 TFLOPs by 2 and compare to RDNA2).

As I said before about performance, believe whatever you want to believe.

Read the last few words of the sentence you quoted.

Every detail Sony gave about the PS5 Pro was leaked by him correctly 6 months ago, whether he was reliable or not before doesn't matter to me, on the PS5 Pro he was dead correct and I would actually believe him if he leaked something else about it, up to you whether or not you believe him.


Which is why I'm saying its based on Navi32/7800XT and not Navi32/7800XT

3) You trying to make a PC comparable to a PS5 Pro, since the PS5 has WIFI then you need to include one as well, WIFI is more convenient.
4) PS5 = less than 6600XT? LOL OK.
6) Stand for PS5/PS5 Pro is not required, its optional, I'm using mine without a stand, also you need both K&M and a controller to operate a Gaming PC, you can't play all games on a just a K&M.
7) Linux is free but unreliable for high end PC Gaming, cheap Windows keys are illegal.
8) Optional, not required, however its so valuable that you are likely to get it since it has so many games and extra benefits that its totally worth it.
9) Which is why its called optional, you have the option to get it or not, either way you'll enjoy the console whether you got it or not.

How the PC is $1000? Well add all the correct parts and you'll see how you can't get it below $1000 unless you go used or cut corners.

Gooigi's Ex3) if you can use the argument that you don’t need a PS account(because that’s ALSO convenience just like Wi-Fi) to play games, you don’t need WiFi to play online games and can use the Ethernet. Stop changing goal posts

Gooigi's Ex4) yes it does and here’s your proof:

I trust Gamer Nexus way more than Digital Foundry any day of the week of any year and I’m definitely not alone in that thinking. I was actually super nice about the PS5 performance. Steve, not so much LMAO

Gooigi's Ex5) you don’t need a K&M and a controller for the PC unless certain games you want to play that’s doesn’t accept controller and that usually a PC ONLY game. Also thanks to Valve’s Big Picture mode, you can hop on and get straight toy your games without a K&B and just use controller. Nice try tho…

Gooigi's Ex6) Linux is unreliable? Ok so is Windows and your point? Also people use Bazzite for dual purpose PC and AMD AND Nvidia GPUs perform BETTER in Linux. Also, you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Windows Keys. Cheap Windows keys are NOT illegal. If they were, they why are you paying for it instead of getting it? Common sense. Also, how would YOU know if the cheap Windows Keys are illegal…

Gooigi's Ex8) it was about the stand

Gooigi's Ex9)yes it optional but why would you spend $500 to play the same single player games that you play in PS4? AND NEVER PLAY ONLINE. I’m not telling people how to spend their money but to bring that kind of logic to the argument doesn’t makes sense when there are other cheaper options available. Also, again AS A CONVENIENCE… you need to add the PS plus to the total cost to the PS5 and that’s over $1000…but you refused to see it that way and ignore parts of the argument and says a PC equivalent is $1000 and it’s no where near.

alawadhi3000I already knew what you believe 10 posts ago, no need to repeat it in every post, move on.

alawadhi3000You quoted one sentence, go back and read it, its simple.

alawadhi3000For the 1000 time, his leak is from Sony's documentation which was given to some developers,

alawadhi3000while Sony can still finetune things such as clockspeeds a few months before release they can't change the hardware that late.

alawadhi3000PS5 Pro = RDNA3 60CU @ 2344 MHz (36 TFLOPs)

alawadhi3000Incase you didn't read (unsurprisingly!) it wasn't a reply to you.

alawadhi3000There are 200's more countries left for you to try, hopefully you'll get a country where a similar PC is cheaper.

alawadhi3000Apparently you don't realize (unsurprisingly!) that most of the data on the page is a copy and paste from PS5 GPU specs so I'll just LOL and move on.

alawadhi3000You're trying to build a PC to match a PS5 Pro, its not the other way around, its the PC that has to match the PS5 Pro hardware features, PS5 Pro has WIFI & BT.

LMAO, drawing conclusion about PS5 GPU from a video that tested three games at 120Hz less than two months after the PS5 release, not to mention the poor choice of games.
FYI you don't test a GPU using 120 FPS, lol.

And you're gonna install Windows or Linux using your controller? LOL.

Linux is unreliable as a high end gaming PC, doesn't twist my words to your liking.

And yes cheap Windows keys violates Microsoft ToS and are illegal.

Still not required.

You know that you can play online without a PS+ subscription, right?

TokyoQuaSaRWell you could be more explicit... Maybe you talk about your leak that supposedly "shows a game gaining way over 45% performance, this is not proven yet though." ? It's actually the only thing that is proven to be wrong, since in the presentation, Mark Cerny explicitly said "up to 45%" and ". And by the way I couldn't identify where in your leak there was such evidence.

TokyoQuaSaRAs every leak... And all leaks aren't always true in the end...

TokyoQuaSaRI don't say it's totally wrong, but anyway there is not that much in your leak. No TFLOPS, no frequency, etc.

Especially those TFLOPs and frequency, these are not in your leak.

TokyoQuaSaRI checked and it's not for at least a good part, like frequencies and TFLOPs. Sure it's subject to change and probably wrong on some parts, but if there were sure facts about it as you claim, it would probably be there.

Gooigi's Ex1) the fact that you can is already an L for the consoles. Also you can find an AM4 motherboard with wifi and BT for less than $100 NOT used so

Gooigi's Ex2) the 120fps gaming shows the capability of the GPU and something that is comparable to and at the time was compared to a GTX 1060. And guess what? Nvidia also has that fine wine ideology like AMD so if consoles have matured in gaming so has the GTX 1060 LMAO. GTX 1080 and 1080ti are PRIME EXAMPLES.

Gooigi's Ex3) no but can use a keyboard with out a mouse soooooo....

Gooigi's Ex4) and yet people are moving to Linux everyday because of Microsoft and most GPU and CPU drivers are more reliable and stable than Windows and majority of games that are not owned by Microsoft or Sony(look that up)

Gooigi's Ex5) So there is no such thing as sale on Windows Key? Windows OS go on sale ALL of the time and places to get those key are CHEAP AND LEGIT. Understand what you are saying before using it a point for argument(like the emulation issue with Nintendo Switch..) and AGAIN, HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IF THEY ARE ILLEGAL??? IS the website you're getting from a safe website?

Gooigi's Ex6) not technically require but CONVIENTLY required...two different things

7) Since you ignored my last comment I'll paste it here again. I know that you don't need a PS membership but: WHY WOULD YOU SPEND $500 TO PLAY THE SAME SINGLE PLAYER GAMES that you play on PS4? AND NEVER PLAY ONLINE. I’m not telling people how to spend their money but to bring that kind of logic to the argument doesn’t makes sense when there are other cheaper options available. Also, again AS A CONVENIENCE… you need to add the PS plus to the total cost to the PS5 and that’s over $1000…but you refused to see it that way and ignore parts of the argument and says a PC equivalent is $1000 and it’s no where near.

alawadhi3000Mark Cerny also said that one of the goals of the PS5 Pro is to get games that run on the fidelity graphics mode (30FPS/40FPS) to run at 60FPS, thats a gain of 50%-100%, is he contradicting himself there?

LOL.

Googling "PS5 Pro 36TFLOPs" is hard for you?


LOL you really have high hopes for TPU database when they can't even get all specs on a desktop GPU right like a RX 7800XT.


WIFI7 please, just like the PS5 Pro.

Testing above 100FPS stresses many other components like CPU & RAM, you can't know for sure its a GPU bottleneck on a PS5, so yes its a dumb comparison if your goal was to know how powerful the GPU is.

Congrats then, you saved yourself $5, now you can get the PC for $1025 instead of $1030 LOL.

Who moved to Linux for high end gaming? Thats just dumb.

LOL none of these cheap keys store can give you a legitimate key. All of them sell keys from old PCs, keys that were sold to an educational institution for a big discount, volume keys, ....etc. All are illegal to be resold.

Read the last sentence, your answer is right there, you can play online for free without a PS+ subscription LOL.

Gooigi's Ex1) Most Wifi 7 routers are not available and most people don't have a Wi-fi 7 router. Stop moving goal post please. Also since you want to mention that, lets add another $250-700 on top of that as well since it's soooo CONVIENT(you seem to have a hard time understanding this word)

Gooigi's Ex2) Consoles have a set performance target to achieve, otherwise we would have actual PC like performance from consoles instead of BEING BOTTLENECK TO THE GROUND LIKE THE PS5 AND SERIES X since you can't understand that. The fact that Steve is able to achieve those console performance with GTX 1060 SAYS A LOT. The reason you are having issue with is because of Shill Foundry.. let's keep it real...

Gooigi's Ex3) YIPEE! IT went from $700 to $690 so the PC IS CHEAPER THAN THE PS5 PRO LOL keep using that $1000 with no ACTUAL PROOF please.. quite entertaining to say the least...

Gooigi's Ex4)Ask the Steam Deck Community LMAO and also people who are sick and tired of Windows...Also any GPU that's higher than a RX 6800 is considered high end and a lot of people bought 4070s....

Gooigi's Ex5) Bro, you obviously have a motive and ignore that the fact that you can find Windows Keys for sale that's NOT STOLEN and again that you refuse to say...WHERE AND HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY ARE STOLEN?!?!? How DO YOU KNOW they are from unused education institutional codes? DO THEY TELL YOU WHEN YOU BUY IT? DO THEY TELL YOU WHERE THEY GO IT FROM? DO THEY TELL YOU THEY STOLE IT?? HOW DO YOU KNOW???? All you said is cheap Windows keys are illegal. So if I go to Newegg.com and buy Windows 10 for $50 when it originally was $120 for the basic version and $200 for the pro version, IS THAT STILL ILLEGAL??? GROUPON(a legit site) has Windows 10 keys for $15 dollars RIGHT NOW! Is that ILLEGAL? If so, then Microsoft should go after GROUPON(they are not)

Gooigi's Ex6) Now read the bolded section again and come back to me: Since you ignored my last comment I'll paste it here again. I know that you don't need a PS membership but(read this part please): WHY WOULD YOU SPEND $500 TO PLAY THE SAME SINGLE PLAYER GAMES that you play on PS4? AND NEVER PLAY ONLINE. I’m not telling people how to spend their money but to bring that kind of logic to the argument doesn’t makes sense when there are other cheaper options available. Also, again AS A CONVENIENCE… you need to add the PS plus to the total cost to the PS5 and that’s over $1000…but you refused to see it that way and ignore parts of the argument and says a PC equivalent is $1000 and it’s no where near

alawadhi3000Changing goalposts? LOL, the PS5 Pro has WIFI7.


Okay bro, keep telling yourself that and someday you'll believe it.


I'm still waiting for a PS5 Pro equivalent PC for $700.

Steam Deck community? LOL.

My bad my bad, I didn't realize that playing at 800p on low settings is considered high end PC gaming.

LOL Microsoft doesn't sell retail/OEM Windows for that price, even very large distributers can't get these low prices, you want to tell me that Groupon for example are a charity that sells Microsoft keys at a big loss?

You can play online for free without a PS+ subscription, is this very hard for you to understand?

And I didn't realize that Spiderman2 and other PS5 only games can be played on the PS4, please teach all of us (And Sony as well) on how you managed to do this.

Gooigi's Ex1) Wi-fi 7 JUST came out. Most people have wi-fi 6 router so Wi-fi 7 is not relevant to the conversation AKA MOVING GOAL POST until you have an ACTUAL argument. Keep on using that Wi-fi 7 that most users DON'T have access to

Gooigi's Ex3) I'm still waiting on that $1000 PC you keep talking about with no proof once so ever. I have shown you the $700 PC and you willingly ignore that. So please show me that $1000 PC please... I'm waiting...

Gooigi's Ex5) "LOL Microsoft doesn't sell retail/OEM Windows for that price, even very large distributers can't get these low prices, you want to tell me that Groupon for example are a charity that sells Microsoft keys at a big loss?" You didn't answer my question. IS IT ILLEGAL OR NOT? GROUPON is LEGIT and YOU CAN BUY IT RIGHT NOW. Is GROUPON legit yes or no?

Gooigi's Ex6) "You can play online for free without a PS+ subscription, is this very hard for you to understand" and again Why would you waste $500 to GET A NEW GEN CONSOLE TO PLAY THE SAME SINGLE PLAYER GAMES AS THE PREVIOUS GEN. AND WHY WON'T YOU PLAY ONLINE? Why would you do that if the PS4(cheaper alternative)can play those same games? Answer those questions please.

Gooigi's Ex7) Ask Sony why did they release God of War Ragnarök, Horizon Zero Dawn, Gran Turismo 7, Ghost of Tsushima, Stray, Spider-Man/Miles Morales, DEMON SOULS(LOL), TLOU 1 AND 2. Capcom Fighting Game Collection 1 and 2 for BOTH PS4 and PS5. Sony fanboys are literally pissed at Sony for not releasing games(which is ALSO ironic)

alawadhi3000Mark Cerny also said that one of the goals of the PS5 Pro is to get games that run on the fidelity graphics mode (30FPS/40FPS) to run at 60FPS, thats a gain of 50%-100%, is he contradicting himself there?

alawadhi3000LOL.

Googling "PS5 Pro 36TFLOPs" is hard for you?

alawadhi3000LOL you really have high hopes for TPU database when they can't even get all specs on a desktop GPU right like a RX 7800XT.

Gooigi's Ex5) Bro, you obviously have a motive and ignore that the fact that you can find Windows Keys for sale that's NOT STOLEN and again that you refuse to say...WHERE AND HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY ARE STOLEN?!?!? How DO YOU KNOW they are from unused education institutional codes? DO THEY TELL YOU WHEN YOU BUY IT? DO THEY TELL YOU WHERE THEY GO IT FROM? DO THEY TELL YOU THEY STOLE IT?? HOW DO YOU KNOW???? All you said is cheap Windows keys are illegal. So if I go to Newegg.com and buy Windows 10 for $50 when it originally was $120 for the basic version and $200 for the pro version, IS THAT STILL ILLEGAL??? GROUPON(a legit site) has Windows 10 keys for $15 dollars RIGHT NOW! Is that ILLEGAL? If so, then Microsoft should go after GROUPON(they are not)

TokyoQuaSaRNo he is not. There is FSR3, which wasn't present in the original PS5. That's definitely a way for games running at 30fps to run at 60fps while having only +45% rendering perf increase.

TokyoQuaSaRCome on you are the one arguing we have those numbers, why should I be the one searching for it ? As far as I'm concerned, I'm totally fine with waiting for the actual test of the PS5 Pro after its release.

TokyoQuaSaRWas there a mistake ? To be honest I don't check about AMD much usually so I don't know. Where was it wrong ? TPU is usually very reliable so yes, I do have high hopes, although again, I don't expect the numbers to be right already, especially for consoles, those numbers are harder to get.

TokyoQuaSaRRegarding Windows licenses, nowadays less and less people buy it full price imo, at least since "Windows as a service" is a thing and we get free updates for Windows. On paper you're right and it's not totally legal but come on, it's more grey than totally black, at least for the end user.

TokyoQuaSaRWiFi 7... That's obviously a bit ridiculous... It's a freaking desktop gaming PC, you don't connect with Wifi... At the very least you should give up on Wifi 7 and accept Wifi 6.

TokyoQuaSaRWith a well balanced gaming PC, you don't usually get CPU bottleneck before 120 fps imo.
700$ PC close to a PS5 Pro seems really hard to achieve without really good discounts imo, but I don't live in the US so I can't say for sure. I would say it's more like 900$ maybe ?

alawadhi3000www.youtube.com/live/X24BzyzQQ-8?feature=shared

Double the framerate without frame generation, BTW frame generation is present on the PS5 and is used in Black Myth: Wukong for example.

alawadhi3000Because it will save us a lot of time and space if you'd just google the obvious things instead of asking for it tens of times, its not hard.

alawadhi3000For starter the number of transistors is wrong, 28.1M is for the GCD transistors only, not the sum of both GCD and MCD transistors like the page says, I've emailed them about it a few months ago and they didn't correct it, while I do appreciate the efforts that goes in doing a GPU and SSD database, you should't treat them as citable source.

alawadhi3000Its not grey, its black, its illegal, those key reselling site hides those facts from the buyer.

alawadhi3000Don't want to go into details on why WIFI 7 is much better but WIFI 6 or WIFI 7 both should cost the same or at least similar on a PC, so it doesn't affect the end price of PC anyway.

alawadhi3000Configured one on PCPartpicker and at $1020 it was still missing a Gamepad and OS.

TokyoQuaSaRI wasn't even mentioning frame generation but FSR (or PSSR) as a whole. And could you be nice and give the exact minute he says that ?

TokyoQuaSaRActually all the sources I see about this chip mentions 28.1B transistors but whatever. And I don't see where they say it's both for GCD and MCD. That's really not a big deal to be honest, transistor count doesn't matter much anyway, except if you want to talk about the process, and in this case you want to talk about chips separately.

TokyoQuaSaRAs a matter of fact these resellers stay alive, and the buyer is not responsible for that anyway. I did read about it before, and all the sources I checked said it was at worst grey for the buyer, and there was almost no chance to have legal problems about it if you are an individual.

TokyoQuaSaRThe problem is that it prevents you from buying "old" AM4 motherboards with Wifi, so it does affect the price.

alawadhi3000You said FSR3, FSR3 means frame generation, FSR2 upscaling is available on the PS5 as well.

alawadhi3000Because the sources you use are typical copy-pasters with no brain, you can look at 7900XT/XTX density and compare since both are using TSMC's 5nm for the GCD, then you'll know its wrong.

alawadhi3000You can pirate as well and get it for free, no one will know, it doesn't make it okay, also since you accepted the terms of services then its your responsibility as well.

alawadhi3000You know that buying an old AM4 board and adding a ~$30 WIFI card is usually cheaper than buying an AM4 WIFI board right?

TokyoQuaSaRFSR3 includes all, not only frame gen. Anyway, I still don't know what moment in the video you're talking about. I really don't think Mark Cerny contradicted himself but if you think so just go tell him I dunno...

TokyoQuaSaRIt's not wrong, they just don't explicitly say it's for GCD only, no big deal here, doesn't make TPU not reliable just bc of that...

TokyoQuaSaRWell it's not always true. For some motherboards sometimes the wifi version is the same price as the non wifi one. Also, wifi 7 cards are more expensive that wifi 6 where I am. I have a pretty good motherboard bought last year and it has Wifi 6E and 10GbE, and let's say I don't feel too bad about it not being Wifi 7...

alawadhi3000Everything has to be spoonfed to you, the video in the link starts exactly where he said it, I'll move on.

alawadhi3000The field "transistors" is for the total, GCD transistors has its own field which you can see if you check the 7900XT/XTX pages, so yes, its wrong.

alawadhi3000Where you're at is irrevelent, the whole time we are talking USD. A WIFI 7 card can be had on Amazon for $33.

alawadhi3000Just came out? LOL, I had mine since July 2023, so thats over a year ago.
Just repeating the obvious until it hopefully (long shot, I know) sticks into your mind, PS5 Pro has WIFI7, your PS5 Pro equivalent PC must have it as well in order to be equivalent, common sense 101.


Flawed incomplete PC doesn't count as a PS5 Pro equivalent PC.

Buy the key and tell them to ship all original Microsoft packaging along with a new COA sticker, and you'll get your answer the hardway LOL.

PS4 can play Spiderman2? Thats just one example that puts your dumb logic out the window.

Outside the scope of our discussion Mr. goalpost guy, please stick to PC vs PS5 Pro at $700, also you still haven't taught us how you managed to play Spiderman2 on a PS4.

alawadhi3000www.youtube.com/live/X24BzyzQQ-8?feature=shared

Double the framerate without frame generation, BTW frame generation is present on the PS5 and is used in Black Myth: Wukong for example.



Because it will save us a lot of time and space if you'd just google the obvious things instead of asking for it tens of times, its not hard.



For starter the number of transistors is wrong, 28.1M is for the GCD transistors only, not the sum of both GCD and MCD transistors like the page says, I've emailed them about it a few months ago and they didn't correct it, while I do appreciate the efforts that goes in doing a GPU and SSD database, you should't treat them as citable source.


Its not grey, its black, its illegal, those key reselling site hides those facts from the buyer.

Don't want to go into details on why WIFI 7 is much better but WIFI 6 or WIFI 7 both should cost the same or at least similar on a PC, so it doesn't affect the end price of PC anyway.

Configured one on PCPartpicker and at $1020 it was still missing a Gamepad and OS.

TokyoQuaSaRNope, the link doesn't have a time mark unfortunately. The thing is I did try to look for the sentence you implied, and I didn't find anything. Again if you're the one trying to make a point, you're supposed to make explicit references to your sources, I can't guess everything...

TokyoQuaSaRAnd this field is just not present in the 7800 XT ? Is it that much of a big deal ??

Gooigi's Ex1) YES just came out. There were no(and still not enough) devices that takes advantage of Wi-fi 7 and slowly coming out. Again until you realize and STOP changing goal posts, Wifi-7 doesn't matter at all but you decided to include it because the PS5 Pro has it. PS5 Pro has it but most people DON'T have Wi-fi 7 routers. How is it hard for you to understand this? Does this answer your question? Common knowledge and the fact YOU have one and commenting on a website that's FOR ENTHUSIATSTS. Again you have a motive and you are using in a non relevant conversation. And again, if we were going with that route you have to add the cost the router as part of that...or forget all that and just use ETHERNET...

Gooigi's Ex2) So you admit you don't have one and instead commenting as flawed PC but don't say the reason why it's flawed and don't provide any evidence...I rest my case on that as you are just lying at this point and have nothing to argue LMAO. Again, I provided the parts and they are available as new not used. you are more than welcome to provide flaws...or the lack rather :roll:

Gooigi's Ex3) So caught up on Spider-Man 2 and you forgot the question that you asked.. let me remind you: "And I didn't realize that Spiderman2 and other PS5 only games can be played on the PS4, please teach all of us (And Sony as well) on how you managed to do this", God of War Ragnarök(PS5 and PS4), Horizon Zero Dawn(PS5 and PS4), Gran Turismo 7(PS5 and PS4), Ghost of Tsushima(Re-released on PS4 and Originally on PS4), Stray(PS5 and PS4), Spider-Man/Miles Morales(on PS4 and re-released on PS5), DEMON SOULS(LOL PS3 and then PS5), TLOU 1 AND 2(on PS4 and re-released on PS5). Capcom Fighting Game Collection 1 and 2 for BOTH PS4 and PS5. I know reading is so hard for you and research as well. Oh no.. Spider-Man 2 is not on PS4...vs 10 other games that are

Gooigi's Ex4) I have been sticking to the conversation and you threw in nonsense to the argument. You still haven't shown the $1000 PC as I have shown the $700 PC and you picked at and provided no reasoning for the flaw and just trolling at this point.

Gooigi's ExThat's really funny because that's where I configured my PC part as well and manually added the OS that you can find for cheap and gamepads for PC can be found for $20 or $30 bucks. It really took this long for you to finally say your source of for your nonsense.

alawadhi3000PS5 Pro has WIFI 7, your "equivalent PC" must have WIFI 7, simple isn't it?

alawadhi3000~4:10

alawadhi3000Yes.

Ferrum MasterMeh,

Did you notice emphasis on WE developed... instead we asked AMD... it ain't a humble thing to do.

R0H1TThey're probably counting the theoretical limits.

And why do you think AMD's competing with Nvidia?
www.techpowerup.com/326415/amd-confirms-retreat-from-the-enthusiast-gpu-segment-to-focus-on-gaining-market-share

Dr. DroPS+ is required to do practically anything other than getting games to boot, let's be honest here. With a PC you spend more up front, but it's cheaper in the longer run and you have freedom and flexibility to enjoy the machine as you see fit.

ChomiqPS+ is required to play online, I have both PS4 and PS5, never signed up for PS+.