oxrufiioxoMy wife doesn't feel it's that expensive she's probably more the target audience if she wasn't spending so much time chasing around a toddler she'd want to get it at launch. She'd still rather game on console even though we have 3 capable gaming PC's.

oxrufiioxoIt also seemingly fixes my biggest annoyance with PS5 the reliance on FSR which has really killed console gaming for me.

Kn0xxPTSony should really start looking at the market and plan ahead, instead of just trying to milk PS brand to irrelevance.... waiting for GTA6 to hit.
by this time, PS5 should suport PS2 and PS3 games with emulation and add more features. But no ... they want to drop any support for "legacy" peripherals. Why Sony became so greedy ? ...

Dr. DroI've been a PC guy for so long TIL people do that to get discs to read

oxrufiioxoI mean the PS5 add on disk drive is selling out and is high on the list on Amazon best sellers.... Pretty sure that has to do with the PS5 pro.

This hardware is clearly a test to see how thet can price the PS6 they are so far ahead if Microsoft they don't need a refreshed console. Microsoft charges 599 for the white all digital Xbox series X which is a much bigger scam than this.

Gooigi's ExSony fanboys are having a meltdown and still believe that the PS5 Pro is a better value than a PC…but yet I see this here and found some PC parts that are comparable(except GPU and CPU as they are vastly superior)

RX6800(60 CUs like the PS5 Pro) $360
AMD Ryzen 5700x3D: $150
AM4 mother board :$75
Ram: $50
PSU: $100
2TB Storage SSD: $125(actually found some cheaper for less than $100 but let’s assume M.2)

Case: $50
BLU-Ray disk Drive: $70
Total: $855

PS5 Pro: $700
Vertical Stand: $30
Disk Drive: $80

Total cost: $810 Dollars and that doesn’t include PS+ to play online

I had to add a BLU-Ray drive just to make it fair and it’s ever so slightly more expensive but you get a whole lot more with the PC. Also most PC users don’t use BLU- Ray players(unless your like me and burn video onto BLU-Ray discs)

chrcolukI was wondering what you meant, but I do see there is a white digital Xbox Series X. and its the same price as the standard version.

In USA the the white series X is 448 from what I can see. 460 in the UK.

oxrufiioxoIt's the 2tb model comes in galaxy black and there was a white varient I belive.

www.microsoft.com/en-us/d/xbox-series-x-2tb-galaxy-black-special-edition/8smbrt7wmfp9

chrcolukYeah the one i found was a 1TB model.

alawadhi3000Flawed comparison, and funny enough even your incomplete PC is still more expensive than a PS5 Pro.

1) Ryzen 7 5700X3D is not $150, its ~$200, And the 5700X (Cheapest 8C Ryzen on sale for PCs) is ~$160.
2) The 5700X doesn't come with a cooler (+$15 A good non noisy cooler).
3) The $75 AM4 doesn't come with WIFI, Bluetooth and PCIE Gen4 combined, (+$20 for a WIFI6/BT5 card).
4) RX6800 is inferior, PS5 Pro has a custom GPU, the GPU part is a slightly downclocked 7800XT with RDNA4 RT hardware.
5) Blu-ray drive is not required to game on a PS5 Pro so remove from both.
6) Where are the input devices on the PC? LOL (+$13 for cheap keyboard and mouse) and (+$70? For a Dual sense).
7) Where is the OS on the PC? LOL.
8) Vertical stand is not required to play on a PS5 Pro, and even if you want one you don't have the buy the official one, you can buy a third party for like $10.
9) PS+ is not required to play on PS5 Pro, if you choose to get it then the extra benefits it provides offsets the cost you pay for the service.

Even when you buy the cheapest part that satisfy/close to satisfy PS5 Pro specs and get the Windows key for like $5 (Not legal?) you are still looking at $1000 minimum, $300 more than a PS5 Pro.

Dr. DroPS+ is required to do practically anything other than getting games to boot, let's be honest here. With a PC you spend more up front, but it's cheaper in the longer run and you have freedom and flexibility to enjoy the machine as you see fit.

oxrufiioxoI have a ps5 never needed PS+ ever. Although I just play their exclusives that aren't on pc which are all single player games for the most part.

I guess I'm in the minority but I just like games and gaming in general platform doesn't really matter to me.

I get what you're saying though if it's your only system long term value isn't great.

Lets be real though most people on this site like PCs and most console gamers have no interest or very little interest in pc gaming it took years for me to get my buddies to switch off console with multiple obvious examples of pc gaming being better. Still for MP gaming there are way more cheaters in the pc space which console gamers absolutely hate.

Dr. DroI mean if you play *just* single player games, and the one-off release, sure. Anything else, pony up for the sub because you won't get access to networked services without it...

oxrufiioxoEven for MP gaming there is a stigma that most pc gamers cheat and honestly as pathetic as it is it's even true for PVE games it's ridiculous in Call of Duty at this point.

Trust me if I could only have one platform it'd be pc but there are multiple reasons why someone might prefer a console. I'd rather have everything other than windows handhelds they are still too shite lol.

Dr. DroTrue, there is a rampant cheating problem in practically all larger games - some of those are multiplatform games and Xbox, PS and PC players play together on the same server pool (Apex comes to mind) - but I only see one way to ensure that consoles are cheat-free (excluding MITM packet manipulation attacks), and that's isolating and walling off the entire platform, downsides of which far outweigh the benefits... as someone already mentioned earlier in this thread, Sony is known for not hesitating to remotely disable software in gamers' consoles if it conflicts with their own interests, that shouldn't have been an argument against digital media but rather, against the PlayStation platform itself. I hope one day people are gonna learn...

alawadhi3000Flawed comparison, and funny enough even your incomplete PC is still more expensive than a PS5 Pro.

1) Ryzen 7 5700X3D is not $150, its ~$200, And the 5700X (Cheapest 8C Ryzen on sale for PCs) is ~$160.
2) The 5700X doesn't come with a cooler (+$15 A good non noisy cooler).
3) The $75 AM4 doesn't come with WIFI, Bluetooth and PCIE Gen4 combined, (+$20 for a WIFI6/BT5 card).
4) RX6800 is inferior, PS5 Pro has a custom GPU, the GPU part is a slightly downclocked 7800XT with RDNA4 RT hardware.
5) Blu-ray drive is not required to game on a PS5 Pro so remove from both.
6) Where are the input devices on the PC? LOL (+$13 for cheap keyboard and mouse) and (+$70? For a Dual sense).
7) Where is the OS on the PC? LOL.
8) Vertical stand is not required to play on a PS5 Pro, and even if you want one you don't have the buy the official one, you can buy a third party for like $10.
9) PS+ is not required to play on PS5 Pro, if you choose to get it then the extra benefits it provides offsets the cost you pay for the service.

Even when you buy the cheapest part that satisfy/close to satisfy PS5 Pro specs and get the Windows key for like $5 (Not legal?) you are still looking at $1000 minimum, $300 more than a PS5 Pro.

Dr. DroPS+ is required to do practically anything other than getting games to boot, let's be honest here. With a PC you spend more up front, but it's cheaper in the longer run and you have freedom and flexibility to enjoy the machine as you see fit.

Dr. DroI mean if you play *just* single player games, and the one-off release, sure. Anything else, pony up for the sub because you won't get access to networked services without it...

TokyoQuaSaRKinda agree but regarding the GPU, they did say it has +45% rendering speed, which I assume is in non RT content. And looking at the figures here in TPU, the original PS5 might be a custom version of the RX 6700, with less power and a bit less performance. And then if you look at what has +67% more rendering units with +45% perfs compared to an RX 6700, it's exactly an RX 6800. But it's supposed to be something between RDNA 3 and 4, so I don't think it is exactly that. At least it should have much better perfs in RT since they say it has doubled or tripled, so in the end it could be an updated version of an RX 6800, with lower clocks and much lower power (since it is supposed to be in 4nm), and with some capabilities of RDNA 3 and 4 devices, so it could have the RT capabilities close to a 7800 XT. Hard to tell but I assume that, since it has +45% rendering perfs compared to the original PS5. it is not as powerful as the 7800 XT. Considering it is in the same package with the CPU and shares the VRAM bus with it, saying it is a RX 6800 with a cheap 8 cores isn't too far off imo. But if you include all costs, it is indeed closer to 1000$ so you're right.
In the end, getting a PS5 Pro isn't a terrible choice if you really have no use of a PC, but else a PC is definitely a smarter choice. And I myself am a PC gamer who has never owned a non portable gaming console in my whole life.

alawadhi30001) Yes +45% performance is for rasterization, RT performance boost is up to 3x.
2) RX6700 has a 160-bit memory bus versus 256-bit for the PS5, its like a RX6700 but with a %40 memory overclock, which depending on the game it can give a big boost to FPS versus a RX6700.
3) RX6800 has poor RT performance, something that the PS5 Pro won't have, the comparison to the RX6800 is flawed at best.
4) PS5 Pro GPU is an 7800XT with a downclock of 11% on the core and 8% on the memory, with a better RT performance. Performance will very close to the 7800XT rather than a RX6800.

alawadhi3000PS+ features are all optional and not required to play games, you won't enjoy the gaming less if you don't have cloud saves, free packs ....etc

Wrong again, online multiplayer works even without a PS+ subscription for "free for all games" like Rocket League, Call of Duty: Warzone, Fortnite and Apex Legends ....etc
Not to mention even if you want to play a non-free game online, if you know a PS+ plus subscriber then they can share that feature with one PS5 console and one PS4 console, so you get it for free

TokyoQuaSaR2) Memory bus is shared with the CPU, it's fair to say it's about the same bandwidth for the GPU. From the TFLOPS figures, the RX 6700 is even slightly ahead of the original PS5.
3) That's what I said, in RT it should be closer to the 7800 XT
4) The question is how can it have +45% more perfs than something close to a RX 6700 and be a 7800XT. For me it's only the RT perfs that will be close to the 7800XT (and even in RT I don't see it be better than the 7800 XT).

Dr. DroThose games aren't even playable offline - not too long ago, Sony would charge gamers for access to those... developers "negotiate" free access to PSN on Sony's terms... and that almost always involves a cut of the game's profits and blocking top-ups that come from other platforms. They are scum, it's only a shame people are attached to brands and too lazy to know any better, so they keep getting away with it.

alawadhi3000Thats not how memory bus works on a PS5, its shared between CPU & GPU with the GPU accessing the PS5 full 448GB/s bandwidth.
Close to/slightly behind the 7800XT in rasterization, for RT the performance should be ahead of the 7800XT.
You're the one who keeps saying the PS5 GPU is ~RX6700, well its not, its custom and its performance can vary depending on the game, only at the worst case scenario the performance is similar to the RX6700.

TokyoQuaSaRWell I do work on those kind of memory buses so yes, if a memory bus is shared between several devices, depending on the access cycles there will be some memory controllers (usually it's divided into 32b controllers) that will be fully parked by the CPU while the GPU is working. I guess some game engine might be able to share the usage smoothly but it's definitely not full bandwidth for the GPU all the time.

"Close to/slightly behind the 7800XT in rasterization" Then how do you explain the dev of the PS5 himself said "up to 45% compared to previous gen" and not 75% ??

"You're the one who keeps saying the PS5 GPU is ~RX6700," This is from the numbers given here in the TPU database. Check the links in my original message. Given the actual in game perfs it's seems quite likely even.