Mr_EngineerThe 9700x is running at 65w compared to the 7700x which runs at 105w.

Mr_EngineerWhen 9700x was later tested at 105w and with the Windows 11 24H2 performance fix, it easily gained 5-15% in both games and productivity.

The 9800x3D will be a 120w CPU, the same as the 7800x3D, but will run with 5-10% higher clocks (unlike the 9700x which ran at lower clocks compared to 7700x)

Visible NoiseSo it’s ok for AMD to screw over gamers because reasons.



AMDs prices are not Intels fault. They are the fault of people like you that thought AMD was your freind.

AusWolfThe TDP of the 7800X3D is 120 W, but it only consumes about 80-90 W max at its max boost of 4.8 GHz all-core. I'm expecting something similar with the 9800X3D.

ThomasKAll I'm saying is that, back when Intel was the dominant player in the market, it used to charge twice as much as AMD is charging TODAY for its best gaming processor. All the major players have abused its dominant position while competition was lacking, which is worse for customers. That's just how the market works.

And yes, AMDs prices are indeed Intel's fault. Were Intel to be competitive, the pricing strategy would be different.

Visible NoiseIn that case Nvidia's prices are AMD's fault, right? Right??

Visible NoiseIn that case Nvidia's prices are AMD's fault, right? Right??

OberonYeah, but they're including things where the 285K is currently badly broken in that number, like CP2077. I don't expect that to remain the case, even if the 285K is likely to still remain behind pretty much all Zen 5 chips once it is fixed.

ThomasKYes, specially considering AMD won't be competing in the enthusiast market in the next generation, leaving the ultra high end entirely to NVIDIA.

You'll get eyewatering prices on the 5090, just wait.

Visible NoiseSo it’s ok for AMD to screw over gamers because reasons.

AMDs prices are not Intels fault. They are the fault of people like you that thought AMD was your freind.

Visible NoiseI have a 4090, 5090 is irrelevant to me

ThomasKDid you think Nvidia was your friend when you paid over 1k for your 4090 as well?

The 5090 might be irrelevant to you, not so much to others. Also, you’re not going anywhere trying to prove your point here.

Have a good one. Bye.

Prima.VeraThis is the 2nd time AMD is taking the gaming crown from Intel with a faster and cheaper product since Athlon XP. Looks like those times are back, not for the high price of the CPUs... :(

wheresmycarWe're getting closer to half a grand for 8-core top-tier gaming processors. Ouch! Thats a $30 increase in MSRP over its predecessor, the 7800X3D.

With a little market compo, eventually increased production and availability (hopefully moderate early sales hehe), I want to see the 9800X3D quickly finding some stability in price somewhere in the $350 region..... price reductions can take several months post-launch hence maybe in mid-2025. Not sure why it matters to me, i'm still looking to crack open the 5800X3D's GPU-bottleneck at 1440p.



I bet 9% gains and above are probably 90% of current cache-sensitive games which significantly benefit. The 8% avg gains seem about right but look forward to seeing w1zzard's benchmarks.

Kinda sucks the games which significantly benefit with 3D are not in my games library. I might have a crack at W-40K: Space Marines 2 some day. I defo fancy Far Cry 6 but i've been trying to avoid addictive open-world titles that are time-consuming. I know i know, its not the game, its the obsessed gamer... guilty as charged!

wheresmycarNah, its no ones fault. Big Tech wants to make money. They make money. Big pocket spenders have money to burn. They burn money. The rest of us are sandwiched in-between with lettuce, cucumbers and tomato ketchup. We also get the meat providing we're realistic with our performance goals or well-seasoned expectations.

LittleBroAMD can charge for their next gaming king anything they want, because it has no competition.

I'ts what Nvidia does regularly. So Nvidia okay but AMD bad now?

LittleBroAMD can charge for their next gaming king anything they want, because it has no competition.

I'ts what Nvidia does regularly. So Nvidia okay but AMD bad now?

wheresmycarYep, this is why we need Intel to get their shit together and bring back the stiff compo. The greater the compo, the better these competitors compete with lower prices. Unfortunately for the graphics market... at the higher end Nvidia is king and theres no signs of dethroning the green monster. I’m hoping AMD can make a strong impact in the low to mid-range and even semi-high performance segments, ideally growing its market share beyond the small slice it currently holds.

AusWolfNo. This is why we need idiots to stop paying unquestioningly. Control is always in the consumer's hands when it comes to non-essential products. The reason why AMD increases CPU prices and Nvidia GPU prices is not because they don't have competition. It's because people keep paying up.

Please no one tell me that when you first bought a CPU for $450, then a year later, buying another one for $470 makes sense just because it's 5-8% faster? It sounds utterly moronic, right? But that's what people do.

Of course I'd like Intel to make great GPUs, too, but that's an entirely different topic.

FoulOnWhiteSome of the games my mate on steam has, he has over 1000 hours on, he games a LOT. Unless you are someone who games as much as him, it is a waste spending $2k+ on a GPU, unless you are a must have or just have so much disposable income you can throw it away. There are enough of these people to buy these $2k GPUs or Nvidia would not produce them. They can make far more selling a few thousand of them than the tens of thousand of GPUs for the rest of us plebs.

MetroidFor 4k gaming, a CPU is not that important, saving money for a better GPU is where your priority should be.

AusWolfPlease no one tell me that when you first bought a CPU for $450, then a year later, buying another one for $470 makes sense just because it's 5-8% faster? It sounds utterly moronic, right? But that's what people do.

DAPUNISHERI expect it will be faster than 8% after an easy overclock that takes a couple of minutes in the UEFI. The same as with other unlocked Zen. That's also the reason it'll separate itself from Zen 4 3D more than the vanilla parts in productivity i.e. achievable 500-600 MHz clockspeed increase over its older bro. The leaked numbers running 5.6GHz all core look pretty good.

Your comment does not take into account the current market dynamics. Most of us did not pay MSRP for the 7800X3D. E.G. I could sell my 7800X3D right now for $425 no problem. That's almost $200 more than I paid for it. Many paid $350 or less; being able to make a profit and put it toward the 9800X3D is pretty enticing. For those that paid MSRP; if they get $400-$425 selling it, that also may prove enticing. I always tell people I don't buy hardware, I rent it. Since 2020 instead of renting, some of my parts have been more unintentional investments. Made profits off of GPUs during the dark times, and now my 5800X3Ds and 7800X3D are worth significantly more than I paid for them.

It used to work that way with the i7 as well. They'd hold so much value that you could resell them for little loss later, making it an affordable rental. Caveat as always is YMMV.