ModEl4The original plan regarding Ada was $600/$900/$1200/$1600 for RTX4070/4080 12GB/4080 16GB /4090 and this kinda shows Nvidia's way of thinking and intentions. Because the raster performance jump for Blackwell will be underwhelming and based on what I expect regarding performance for Blackwell lineup I thought that the pricing will be $600/$900/$1100/$1700 for RTX 5070/5070Ti/5080/5090 but now that I think about it again it should be probably $600/$900/$1200/$1800.
RTX 5070 should stay at the same price since the raster performance increase should be 10% or something around this level, RTX 5070Ti should be finally at $900 (original intention of Nvidia was to name RTX 4070Ti , RTX 4080 12GB and price it at $900, this time 5070Ti will have the same memory size as it 5080 and also it will be based on the same chip instead of a lower tier like it was in 4080/4070Ti case, so I think Nvidia will try again to force the $900 price tag).
RTX 5080 should have $300 difference from RTX 5070Ti, I don't think the gap will be smaller than the gap between RTX 5070 ($600) / RTX 5070Ti ($900) and finally regarding RTX 5090 since demand for RTX 4090 was not affected after the launch of 4080 Super at $1000 it should maintain the $600 gap from RTX 5080, so it should be $1800 (also 2X the price of RTX 5070Ti, like it was in RTX4090 $1600/4070Ti $800 case).
Regarding high-end the cost for RTX 5090 will be higher for Nvidia in relation with RTX 4090, the process is similar with mild difference, AD102 4N (5nm based) 609 mm² vs GB202 rumored at 744mm² in a process based on 4nm, the memory bus also is 512bit vs 384bit with 32GB vs 24GB memory and the ICs are GDDR7 based instead of GDDR6X, the interface is gen5 instead of gen4, the power consumption is higher and these changes affect also other factors potentially like PCB layers and other components so the $200 increase seems logical to me to happen in this case, regarding the others prices are a major letdown also (except maybe RTX 5070 which is just meh)

If I had to bet it would be 600-800-1200-2000. with performance being 35-50-65-100% give or take 5%. I think they will want to keep the two gaming cards at a somewhat sane price range with the Top two cards having no competition and targeted more at creators than gamers. Although the 5070ti even if its only 5-10% faster than the 4080 will also have no competition this generation..... Me personally I think we will get 4060ti like gains at all segments. other than the 5090....

Who knows maybe they pull a rabbit out of the hat and 5000 series performs way better than expected I'm just not holding my breath given that the process node is like a + version of what ADA used.

chris.londonThat is odd, potentially fake. The 5090 won’t be on sale in China.

Life finds a way

So basically 999usd and 1899usd, totally fine imo

Damn you AMD.

It's all your fault!

/S ..?

Those prices are simply insane, but watch people still paying them.

oxrufiioxoWho knows maybe they pull a rabbit out of the hat and 5000 series performs way better than expected I'm just not holding my breath given that the process node is like a + version of what ADA used.

Yeah things don't seem too good, maybe the silver lining will be neural rendering (if true) whatever this means (maybe it is something not too intrusive like the research Intel had done back in the day:

Nostras10GB is squarely in the danger zone considering current VRAM usage trajectory.

reason why I swapped mine for a 20GB 7900 XT

ModEl4Yeah things don't seem too good, maybe the silver lining will be neural rendering (if true) whatever this means (maybe it is something not too intrusive like the research Intel had done back in the day:

That's one thing I'd bet on Nvidia including some BS that doesn't work on older hardware that also degrades image quality like frame generation with 4000 series.... Now if it comes out and is amazing awesome I love new technologies personally just not ones that make the game look and feel worse....

Maybe they will also fix frame generation on 5000 series but also you guessed it 4000 will be locked out cuz that is how Nvidia rolls. I wouldn't he surprised if a new DLSS version comes out and doesn't work on older hardware either.

Don't get me wrong I don't blame Nvidia any company in their position would do the same thing.

www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/next-gen-gpus-will-be-even-more-expensive.326242/

Check out my thread, I posted the prices two months ago from various sources and they've now been confirmed by 3 separate highly accurate leakers. Though truth be told I'm actually going to revise my 5090 price to $3000 as I do believe that there won't be any cards selling bellow that, even if the MSRP may technically be $2600.

Again the 5090 at $3000, 5080 at $1500, 5070ti at $1000, 5070 at $800, 5060TI at $500, 5060 at $400 and 5050 at $300.

oxrufiioxoThat's one thing I'd bet on Nvidia including some BS that doesn't work on older hardware that also degrades image quality like frame generation with 4000 series.... Now if it comes out and is amazing awesome I love new technologies personally just not ones that make the game look and feel worse....

Maybe they will also fix frame generation on 5000 series but also you guessed it 4000 will be locked out cuz that is how Nvidia rolls. I wouldn't he surprised if a new DLSS version comes out and doesn't work on older hardware either.

Don't get me wrong I don't blame Nvidia any company in their position would do the same thing.

you do know you, the consumer, are on the other side right? never will understand people supporting a company's shitty practices to make more money....(and that is money they will take FROM YOU) just because you know they are all about making more money....again YOU are on the other end of that exchange.

oxrufiioxoMaybe they will also fix frame generation on 5000 series but also you guessed it 4000 will be locked out cuz that is how Nvidia rolls. I wouldn't he surprised if a new DLSS version comes out and doesn't work on older hardware either.

Probably true, I don't know what excuse they will find this time, last time it was that Turing and Ampere didn't have the optical flow accelerator that Ada has.At first I thought that it was just an excuse and that they could figure out a way to make it work for the previous RTX generations if they wanted but after hearing some interviews (like the recent interview of Intel's Tom Petersen in HU that explains why in their view their AI based solution is better in the long run in relation with Nvidia's optical flow accelerator method, but I will add that Nvidia's method with using dedicated hardware should be faster for current gen otherwise it wouldn't make sense) it seems legit, Nvidia's frame generation method is using the optical flow accelerator and is real hardware missing from past RTX gen.
Edit: On the other hand since Intel isn't using dedicated hardware like Nvidia it is certainly possible in Turing and Ampere even if the quality is potentially inferior but regarding Frame generation, before Intel we had AMD's implementation and I didn't hear any complains about it, so I guess it should be comparable to Nvidia's solution otherwise we would have heard negative comments about Fluid motion frames and unless I missed something I didn't hear anything negative (but also I didn't see a comparison anywhere between them)

ZoneDymoyou do know you, the consumer, are on the other side right? never will understand people supporting a company's shitty practices to make more money....(and that is money they will take FROM YOU) just because you know they are all about making more money....again YOU are on the other end of that exchange.

I mean we also have to be realistic a companies number one goal is to make money it's for sure the American way but also seems to apply to every country.

I'm also not a fan of supporting a mediocre product just because the companies product I actually want is expensive.

For the past decade AMD the lone real competitor hasn't even competed most generation in the segments I've purchased in so when you only have one option or don't buy shite, it is what it is.

When they actually make products I liked I purchased them.

Intel is trying but they don't even have a mid range product yet and AMD try for a generation or two then gives up while lacking performance and features I care about.

I am getting close to the not buying shit option though.

It will be 2999 for the 5090. Because gamers do not complain enough any more. It will be 4299.00 in Canada. I rather just buy a PS5 now screw Nvidia. Nvidia basicly said screw gamers with these prices.

OnasiVery based, honestly. And quite in vein of actual PC enthusiasts of old. What the fuck happened? We used to buy cheaper hardware and tinker with it for more performance, we tweaked the shit out of games for more frames at comparable image quality, hardcore FPS enthusiasts used console commands to run Q3 with flat textures to frag more efficiently on their old 800x600 CRTs. We had tons of genres that weren’t HW intensive, yet QUINTESSENTIALY PC. And some that WERE intensive AND PC centric. Consoles used to be memed on. Now it’s all about “I bought this 9999$ GPU and a scalped 800$ CPU, turned up PT to Ultra at 16K in the latest AAA console slop and shit doesn’t work good. Fucking NVidia, PC gaming is dead”. I tell ya, we didn’t gatekeep hard enough.

This is some nuclear cope. The GHz race was over 20 years ago, and PC enthusiasts couldnt get enough of new CPU models with incremental clock speed increases. GPUs were swapped as often as sandwiches for new APIs, new performance improvements, and memory increases. Consoles still get meme'd on today, imagine paying $700 for a weaker PC to play games at 720p upscaled with FSR performance, or the "PS5 has no games" insult. We still have modders coming up with .ini files to run competitive games with textures limited or "flat" as you refer to, to increase FPS. And please, people have been whining about bad PC ports for two decades now. Literally everything you remember about the "good old days" is still here, minus Ocing because that has become obsolete in the day of the turbo algorithm.

You can go buy a cheap entry level i5, a midrange $300 GPU, and tinker with game settings to play anything today, with access to a MASSSIVE back catalog of software. That wasn't true 20 years ago, you'd be left in the dust with unplayable garbage performance within a year or two. Not now. Components now last 5+ years, and CPUs can push 10. Imagine, if you will, trying to run a brand new game in 2000 on a i486, or a new game in 2010 on a coppermine pentium III. Meanwhile, you can still get some modern games to run on a haswell CPU and I'd bet good money that in 2 years the first ryzen chips will still be usable.

We also have tons of "genres" that are not HW intensive. There are literally thousands of indie games that will run on a potato. That hasn't changed. I'd suggest what has changed is what you perceive to be the standard for PC players.

Daven600W and $2000+ for 25% more performance over the 4090.

No thanks.

dude, you don't understand. Its so cheap and such a huge catch. Its like, totally a $3000 USD GPU but being sold for so cheap. I mean, that is what some people told me here.

GarrusI hope we see something like socketed Strix Halo in the future. Would be nice to finally get 256 bit memory bus width on the desktop. Maybe even if they have to sell it as a MB+CPU+RAM kit.

Highly unlikely, not only would that create a dual market for little benefit for AMD in terms of sales (we went through this with socket FM2+ and AM1 being out at the same time) but Strix Halo would be a very expensive chip and would require LPDDR5X memory, which only comes as soldered. At that point, why not just buy a 7600? It'd be cheaper and you'd have upgrade ability and dedicated VRAM.

GarrusI used an RTX 3080 for 4 years straight and only upgraded to the 4070 Ti to get 12GB of ram to stop the 10GB issue. (bunch of games need more than 10GB now especially at 4k even with upscaling enabled)

Lies! I was told that 8GB was plenty and only lazy game devs couldnt make it work? You mean that having less memory then the consoles became....a bottleneck?!?

sepheronxdude, you don't understand. Its so cheap and such a huge catch. Its like, totally a $3000 USD GPU but being sold for so cheap. I mean, that is what some people told me here.

Luckily for you, we have choice, as consumers. You dont HAVE to buy the 5090! You'll still have the 5080, 5070, 5060, 5050, all their TI/Super variants, the RTX 4000 lineup left in the pipe, gently used RTX 3000s, and at 5070 level you'll also have AMD and hopefully Intel with their GPUs, and with competition prices are likely to be lower.

LycanwolfenIt will be 2999 for the 5090. Because gamers do not complain enough any more. It will be 4299.00 in Canada. I rather just buy a PS5 now screw Nvidia. Nvidia basicly said screw gamers with these prices.

Why would you pay $1100 for a console that can barely maintain 30 FPS in modern games, is entirely reliant on one expensive software store, and loses out on all the other benefits of software, just because nvidia bad?

You know you dont have to buy the 5090 right?

@TheinsanegamerN
You genuinely put more effort and thought into my shit-post than I did. I am not sure what was “cope” there, though. The only thing I am coping with is a crippling addiction to peanut M&Ms.

Funnily enough, I think we actually mostly agree. I said many times that I can basically never update my PC again and live off my back-log and I stand by it. But saying that we haven’t lost some cool PC centric genres/games just ain’t true, chief. Any successors to Vangers? Space Rangers? A good new Disciples game? An actual King’s Bounty game that isn’t shovelware? New RTS games that aren’t just RTT in disguise or e-sports aimed slop? How many Impression-style builders have been release lately, what, like one or two in a decade? What about someone attempting The Movies again, that was an interesting experiment. Hell, even someone going back to Frozen Synapse ideas for phase based combat would be neat. Saying “there are indies that can run on a potato” isn’t the point. The fact that there was a culling in experimentation and innovation is. I can only stand rogue-lites, deck builders and retro pixel platformers for so long.

TheinsanegamerNI'd suggest what has changed is what you perceive to be the standard for PC players.

I mean… yeah? Today’s PC player is mostly a console dude-bro who came to PC for better graphics and has his fish-tank glass case filled with ARGB bling on display while he plays same AAA console slop he would have on a PS5. That, or a F2P “I am an e-sports player” tryhard. That’s unfortunate, but that IS the majority of what PC players today are. Sure, there are enthusiasts, simmers, niche genre aficionados replaying their favs for 1000th time, grognards who still long for the days of Ultima and Wizardry, but all those COMBINED are a minority, a tiny one.

TheinsanegamerNLuckily for you, we have choice, as consumers. You dont HAVE to buy the 5090! You'll still have the 5080, 5070, 5060, 5050, all their TI/Super variants, the RTX 4000 lineup left in the pipe, gently used RTX 3000s, and at 5070 level you'll also have AMD and hopefully Intel with their GPUs, and with competition prices are likely to be lower.

Oh goody. More overpriced shit.

Hopefully Intel lit a fire under their ass but i doubt it.

Daven600W and $2000+ for 25% more performance over the 4090.

No thanks.

I heard is 60% minimum, anyway, I think will be around 1999 - 2200 usd. 2 weeks to know the truth.

Onasi@TheinsanegamerN
You genuinely put more effort and thought into my shit-post than I did. I am not sure what was “cope” there, though. The only thing I am coping with is a crippling addiction to peanut M&Ms.

You mean the peanut BUTTER M&Ms, right? Not those yellow bag monstrosities, right?

OnasiFunnily enough, I think we actually mostly agree. I said many times that I can basically never update my PC again and live off my back-log and I stand by it. But saying that we haven’t lost some cool PC centric genres/games just ain’t true, chief. Any successors to Vangers? Space Rangers? A good new Disciples game? An actual King’s Bounty game that isn’t shovelware? New RTS games that aren’t just RTT in disguise or e-sports aimed slop? How many Impression-style builders have been release lately, what, like one or two in a decade? What about someone attempting The Movies again, that was an interesting experiment. Hell, even someone going back to Frozen Synapse ideas for phase based combat would be neat.

OnasiI mean… yeah? Today’s PC player is mostly a console dude-bro who came to PC for better graphics and has his fish-tank glass case filled with ARGB bling on display while he plays same AAA console slop he would have on a PS5. That, or a F2P “I am an e-sports player” tryhard. That’s unfortunate, but that IS the majority of what PC players today are. Sure, there are enthusiasts, simmers, niche genre aficionados replaying their favs for 1000th time, grognards who still long for the days of Ultima and Wizardry, but all those COMBINED are a minority, a tiny one.

The majority of the games you just quoted sold terribly. That's why they havent gotten sequels. Yes, the 90s had a lot more experimentation, and as the games you quotes show, not all of them were successful. If there is no market success, there will be no follow ups. Same reason you dont see Westerns anymore, or station wagons, or PC cases with blu ray drives.

OnasiSaying “there are indies that can run on a potato” isn’t the point. The fact that there was a culling in experimentation and innovation is. I can only stand rogue-lites, deck builders and retro pixel platformers for so long.

Well your comment was in context of expensive hardware and games, so that's how the convo went.

sepheronxOh goody. More overpriced shit.

Hopefully Intel lit a fire under their ass but i doubt it.

So...AMD is running Radeon with 2-3% margins. How is that overpriced? It's not 2008, $40k isnt the average wage anymore, and wafers from TSMC cost $30k a piece, not $2k. The money supply has increased over 50% int he last 4 years alone. I'm sorry, $500 high end GPUs are just as likely as $1 meal deals or $0.99 gas.

Frankly, nobody has any idea how Intel is making a profit on the B580. Assuming they are, instead of playing the marketshare game.

and what is TSMC's profit margins? Especially their workers wages. Since I had a friend who worked there, it isn't as high as people think.

And what is the profit margins of these GPU's? I never spoke of AMD since you know that if you spoke of Nvidia, it wouldn't be quite the same, now would it? AMD GPU's are cheaper overall.

And wages in the US are at 66K a year average (some really over inflate in areas and others under perform). But overall cost of living has skyrocketed too. Now take a look at other countries (me being in Canada as example) and it looks abysmal.

We can go further into this if you want, but you aren't gonna get the point and obviously you think these are value and good. Intel can do it, so can others. You don't know how Intel is making profit because you cant fathom the idea that maybe someone is actually over charging for production vs someone else.

I myself will just wait to see how well 9070 from AMD performs. Raster performance is good enough for now, I just want better RT performance without wrecking my wallet.

Edit: Oh, or maybe the B780 if it ever becomes a thing.

TheinsanegamerNYou mean the peanut BUTTER M&Ms, right? Not those yellow bag monstrosities, right?

It’s absolutely the yellow bag ones. I have a problem.

TheinsanegamerNThe majority of the games you just quoted sold terribly. That's why they havent gotten sequels. Yes, the 90s had a lot more experimentation, and as the games you quotes show, not all of them were successful. If there is no market success, there will be no follow ups. Same reason you dont see Westerns anymore, or station wagons, or PC cases with blu ray drives.

Not all of them sold terribly. That I know for a fact. I think it’s more to do with publishers having unreasonable expectations, going for low hanging fruits and chasing trends. Oh, and pouring more money into projects than necessary quite often and then going “it underperformed” when it fails to sell millions. Mid-budget games can absolutely afford experimentation, especially when a lot of “dead” genres haven’t had any notable entries for so long that we don’t really have any firm grasp on whether or not they’d perform today.

Oh, and station wagons (they are called estates by civil folk) are still being made and sold. People just have shit taste and keep buying dogshit SUVs. Kinda applies to games too, huh.

There is no such thing as freedom of choice in a consumer society. You are obliged to buy. Here someone writes in the topic: I have a card that is enough for me for the next 5 years. I will not buy! And the next day he messes with his child's education savings and buys himself an RTX 5090. He has no choice and no free will, even though he claims so in the thread.

Lew ZealandLOL I've been gaming on an iGPU for a few days and it's been a blast. Horsepower is nice but matching great games to your system works at every price point.

Been gaming on an i3 NUC since 2018, and I can't take it anymore

Last year I wanted to try the beta of Diablo 4 - that game about which everyone was saying "nah don't worry fam it'll run on a potato".... well, it was atrocious. I couldn't even reach 15 FPS at the lowest settings

Now even Diablo Immortal is starting to be fussy, won't be smooth at native resolution on my new 1440p monitor.

I want to try PoE II and later on GTA6. Needless to say, that's absolute pipe dream on this ancient iGPU.

My new rig is 99% complete - just waiting for the upcoming CES announcements in two weeks.
I'll be going dGPU this time but the future of iGPUs is absolutely bright, with Strix Halo basically confirmed and the rumoured nVidia APU slated for 2026.

TumbleGeorgeThere is no such thing as freedom of choice in a consumer society. You are obliged to buy. Here someone writes in the topic: I have a card that is enough for me for the next 5 years. I will not buy! And the next day he messes with his child's education savings and buys himself an RTX 5090. He has no choice and no free will, even though he claims so in the thread.

Thank God I am not a Dad (that I know of, but then again it has been a year, I guess I would know by now :laugh:)

Aren't we taking things a bit too far? Choice, free will, education funds for your child... it might be expensive but we are still talking about a graphics card. Which is a consumption good, like, in 2 years this 5090 is going to be functionally obsolete once they ship out whatever 6090 or 6969 or whatever. If you can't afford this, then you probably don't need one anyway. If you can afford one and choose not to, great, that works too!

People need to start living within their means, and preferably beneath their means, I got my first black level credit card at 29 without having worked a day in my life... at 31 I have 4, and a near perfect credit score, living primarily off passive income... that is the recipe to do so. And it all started with a small deposit my dad made me years ago, and by small I mean really small (not the famous loan of one million dollars), enough to buy a top up in these games I play. Live beneath your means, and you will live well your entire life.

Gaming at 4K is an expensive choice.