SteevoThe good Dr. only understands Intel and Nvidia good, all else bad.

TheinsanegamerNHisDivineOrder is simply doing what people do EVERY generation of GPUs. The wail and gnash their teeth at how GPUs are too expensive and how they are TOTES going to buy a console instead. They were already thinking about moving to a console, and seed validation for their justifications on forums to help convince themselves, because they dont REALLY want to buy a console, if they did they would have done it already. In 4 years, he'll be here telling us why the RTX 6090 is SOO expensive, its making him want to go to consoles, and how AMD only bothers competing with the RTX 6070 and there's no hope for PC users.

Because lets be frank, consoles are a totally different animal. It's like growing up with macs then declaring you're gonna go to only android tablets. Consoles are locked down, with terrible software "sales" and the last few generations have had horrible user experiences. Just Cause 3's console port was not an outlier, it was an indicator of where we are going. Nobody who has spent decades running gaming PCs is going to go to a console just because "its expensive". PC gaming has ALWAYS been an expensive hobby, people just have very selective memories.


No, they wont. They're meatshielding their choice of GPU to make themselves feel validated in their choice.

It's popular to hate on Nvidia because they are so far ahead of the competition. AMD has relied on being the underdog for 15 years now, and since they now make billions that excuse just doesnt fly anymore. I'm surprised he had the self restraint to not call them "nGreedia". You can post margin graphs and financial statements that show the Geforce division is no more profitable per GPU now then they were 4 or 6 years ago, and it'll just get brushed off because that doesnt tell the story they want. You can say you want a new big AMD GPU and they'll rally to tell you all you want is a discounted nvidia flagship, even if youve bought only AMD for the last decade.

For whatever reason GPUs cause basic decorum to just fly out the window.

Dr. Dro"Again, the Threadripper..."

DahitaYou have some kind of obsession, dude. The news is about a rumored price on an Nvidia graphic card. I have no idea why you keep bringing AMD into the mix :(

HankierosemanI remember when the 3dfx AGP was $500 and everybody wanted one but wouldn't afford that either. Totally lame
2000-2024/ $500 -$1500-$2000-$???? see how that works?

Dr. DroI did not bring anything into this conversation, I simply used a point to expose the double standards. You cannot tell me that there is not one.

Dr. DroI did not bring anything into this conversation, I simply used a point to expose the double standards. You cannot tell me that there is not one.

You do not need to buy an RTX 5090 if the price is too high for you. Buy whatever fits in your pocket, buy whatever makes you happy. I myself opted not to buy an RTX 4090 last generation, I bought a 4080, it does the job. There is practically no game I cannot run at 4K well on my setup right now, except some of the latest AAAs. I'm definitely going to live. Just don't go around painting something as the devil while you defend another company that does the exact same thing and gets praised for it. That is hypocrisy.



For example, Voodoo 5500 AGP released in June 2000. In November 2024 dollars, your $500 has become $915.00 according to the consumer price index calculator. True inflation is realistically a lot higher than what any government is willing to admit and index into the official CPI, so something to keep in mind.

www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

JustBenchingThe more I read about sheep, ngreedia and burning connectors the more it makes me want to buy nvidia. I kid you not, wasn't even interested in the 5090, and then I read a bunch of comments on the thread and im like "im buying it". Honest to god, amd's fans are the best marketing for nvidia. They make you hate amd and love nvidia instead.

HankierosemanBut the part where those engineers got together and put this in production is the part you don't see.
Sony over Samsung for color tv.
apple phone
Ford pickup
Volkswagen Tiguan
Lone Star Beer
Samsung monitors
Ryzen processors
GSkill Memory
Crucial SSD
Lian-Li Cases/PSU....
9950X3D & RTX5090 and maybe a Hero X870

theglazeExactly.

That said, I've seen several 'investigation' videos on YT of people hunting down RTX 4090 being sold illegally in China, just like any other banned good. Go to the right markets, talk to enough people, and eventually you can find one. With a hefty 'premium' price.

KritPolite words will not help either. RTX 4060 Ti 16GB, RTX 4070 Vanilla, RTX 4070 Ti Vanilla all these weak gpus are selling like a hot cakes when they were released really poor value for what you get. AMD RX 7700 XT, RX 7800 XT, RX 7900 XT was clearly a better deal than nvidias alternatives

KritPlease don't make me laugh your 192bit moped is slower on average and was costing slightly more as usually despite the fact that msrp is the same! 3d party sellers usually are overpricing nvidia gpus more often because people are buying them a lot more (demand is not the same)

KritTechpowerup have relative performance charts also average fps and at 4k, 1440p and UltraWide on average RX 7900 XT will be faster. Who uses 1080p are you from 2009 ? o_O I personally dropped 1080p back in 2013. Also recently tried 4k 144hz and there is no big improvement over 3440x1440 if we talk about gaming. My personal choice is 3440x1440.

Why_Me1080P is the most used resolution world wide.

KritTechpowerup have relative performance charts also average fps and at 4k, 1440p and UltraWide on average RX 7900 XT will be faster. Who uses 1080p are you from 2009 ? o_O I personally dropped 1080p back in 2013. Also recently tried 4k 144hz and there is no big improvement over 3440x1440 if we talk about gaming. My personal choice is 3440x1440.

JustBenchingYou realize that the chart you used, which is the most favorable for the 7900xt, still shows that it launched with a worse raster performance per dollar than the 4070ti you are mocking? :D

KritRX 7900 XT was cheaper than RTX 4070 Ti ~ 17 months ago when i bought it.

Of corse on average RX 7900 XT is slower. :kookoo:

JustBenchingIt didn't launch for cheaper though, at the time the 4070ti launched the XT was more expensive, by about 13-15%, while being 8-10% faster on raster and clearly slower in RT. Overall a very terrible deal.

JoniISkandarAre you or every western people never think China can just buy the GPU from SEA Country like Vietnam Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia?

How you think western sanction actually effective right now, the world starting abandoned the Dollar, after USA just Steal Russian Asset in dollar, you can talk about war and stuff for justification, but other Country loking the situation and said *+" im not put my investment in Dollar thag can just get taken by USA +"

JoniISkandarHow you think western sanction actually effective right now, the world starting abandoned the Dollar

KritAMD did drop prices pretty fast it was too close to RX 7900 XTXs price. That was a big mistake from amd yes!

BobaganooshShould we not be comparing the 5080 price to the 4080 Super? The 4080 Super fully replaced the original 4080 and was price-adjusted because they overpriced the 4080 to begin with. Being they completely EOL'd the 4080, it doesn't seem fair to compare to that. Also, specifically referring to MSRP, not scalper pricing.

Vayra86I have an OLED too, and have various different hz monitors... you don't need 120 FPS on OLED at all. 60 locked is just as smooth. Variable refresh works too. Lots of TV content is 50 FPS - perfect frametimes just the same. You're talking about a total and utter non issue, ergo a want, not a need. You even said it yourself, you're playing at 1/3rd the framerate the monitor can refresh elsewhere.

You've told yourself a marketing story, perfectly illustrating the point and the self-imposed problem. A problem that above all things is pretty much fixed because of VRR anyway. The only reason you say what you say is because you've placed your personal target for what is 'good' far above the mainstream, and into the 'mediaphile' territory.


People are lying hypocrites and what people say does very often not reflect what people actually do. The proof is in the stats. The price and revenue of hardware keeps going up. And no, it doesn't matter jack shit what some randoms on forums say about their supposed (projected) preferences:



Consoles aren't growing at an alarming rate - but PC games noted the highest revenue growth in 2024, fighting over about a quarter of the market and growing faster than mobile (which is either an exception or a growing % of people getting into the advantages of PC gaming... which need no further explanation I reckon on TPU):



Also... building PC at the same time as console is gone? Why? Because the price for a console or a PC is higher now than before? Again, so much for perception and enter reality:

- You can build a gaming PC for 1000,- without any issue, just the same as you could a decade ago, and it will play games at good settings and FPS that way. Insert an x60~x70 class card, a midrange CPU and some storage and you're done no differently than you were back in the day.

- Consoles cost no more than they did back in the day. 450-500,-

I don't think much has changed honestly... people let themselves get mislead by perception and marketing fakery, but in the meantime almost everyone with some income owns a tablet or two, a phone, a TV, a laptop or PC, and one or more consoles. The growth of mobile gaming has NOT supplanted PC or console gaming, it just got added on top. We just got so used to all of that its considered for granted... but I remember old days where saving up (quite a while!) for a PC was a real thing you did, not unlike saving up for a console.


I agree, but that bold part, apparently is problematic for people who constantly complain about price. They want something they don't want to (ergo can't really) afford. There's something truly twisted about buying expensive monitors and then complaining the resolution and refresh rate can't be properly used because it requires a bigger hardware expense. In my world, that's short sighted stupidity, and nothing else. Irrelevant? Not really, because now you've got a hardware setup supposedly forcing you to overpay to get it running properly.

Its like buying a muscle car and then complaining about the poor fuel economy because gas prices have increased by 0,03 ct.