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NVIDIA 2025 International CES Keynote: Liveblog

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NVIDIA kicks off the 2025 International CES with a bang. The company is expected to debut its new GeForce "Blackwell" RTX 5000 generation of gaming graphics cards. It is also expected to launch new technology, such as neural rendering, and DLSS 4. The company is also expected to highlight a new piece of silicon for Windows on Arm laptops, showcase the next in its Drive PX FSD hardware, and probably even talk about its next-generation "Blackwell Ultra" AI GPU, and if we're lucky, even namedrop "Rubin." Join us, as we liveblog CEO Jensen Huang's keynote address.

02:22 UTC: The show is finally underway!
02:35 UTC: CTA president Gary Shaprio kicks off the show, introduces Jensen Huang.
02:46 UTC: "Tokens are the building blocks of AI"

02:46 UTC: "Do you like my jacket?"
02:47 UTC: NVIDIA recounts progress all the way till NV1 and UDA.
02:48 UTC: "CUDA was difficult to explain, it took 6 years to get the industry to like it"
02:50 UTC: "AI is coming home to GeForce". NVIDIA teases neural material and neural rendering. Rendered on "Blackwell"
02:55 UTC: Every single pixel is ray traced, thanks to AI rendering.
02:55 UTC: Here it is, the GeForce RTX 5090.
03:20 UTC: At least someone is pushing the limits for GPUs.
03:22 UTC: Incredible board design.
03:22 UTC: RTX 5070 matches RTX 4090 at $550.
03:24 UTC: Here's the lineup, available from January.
03:24 UTC: RTX 5070 Laptop starts at $1299.
03:24 UTC: "The future of computer graphics is neural rendering"
03:25 UTC: Laptops powered by RTX Blackwell: staring prices:
03:26 UTC: AI has come back to power GeForce.
03:28 UTC: Supposedly the Grace Blackwell NVLink72.
03:28 UTC: 1.4 ExaFLOPS.
03:32 UTC: NVIDIA very sneakily teased a Windows AI PC chip.

03:35 UTC: NVIDIA is teaching generative AI basic physics. NVIDIA Cosmos, a world foundation model.
03:41 UTC: NVIDIA Cosmos is trained on 20 million hours of video.

03:43 UTC: Cosmos is open-licensed on GitHub.

03:52 UTC: NVIDIA onboards Toyota for its next generation EV for full-self driving.

03:53 UTC: NVIDIA unveils Thor Blackwell robotics processor.
03:53 UTC: Thor is 20x the processing capability of Orin.

03:54 UTC: CUDA is now a functional safe computer thanks to its automobile certifications.
04:01 UTC: NVIDIA brought a dozen humanoid robots to the stage.

04:07 UTC: Project DIGITS, is a shrunk down AI supercomputer.
04:08 UTC: NVIDIA GB110 "Grace-Blackwell" chip powers DIGITS.

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470 Comments on NVIDIA 2025 International CES Keynote: Liveblog

#126
AusWolf
oxrufiioxoHard to know how meh that is till reviews 20% and a price cut won't be bad... 10% and a price cut kinda sucks so it doesn't take much to swing either way....

Keep in mind the competition is targeting the 4070ti which my guess is the 5070 comes close to for 550 vs the 800 usd it currently sits at..... Although reviews are key...
Agreed. AMD could have scored a hit here, but they didn't give us anything to go by. Although, FG data is pretty much the same as nothing, too. Got to wait for reviews.

What a disappointing CES! :(
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#127
Scircura
I used the SVG markup on Nvidia's website to calculate their advertised gen-on-gen uplift.

ComparisonFar Cry 6 improvementA Plague Tale: Requiem improvement
5090 vs. 409027.5%43.2%
5080 vs. 408033.2%35.1%
5070 Ti vs. 4070 Ti33.2%35.1%
5070 vs. 407031.3%40.1%


Bar graphs for 5080 and 5070 Ti have exact same sizes for these two games. And who knows if any of these bars are just an "artist's rendition of performance improvements". But Nvidia won't put real numbers in their presentation so this is the best we've got...
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#128
oxrufiioxo
Cheeseball

The RTX 5070 and Ti comparison charts are unfair. They should be comparing it to the SUPER successors, especially since for both they were significant performance jumps from the non-SUPERs.
Just look at Farcry it's the most apples to apples. Plague tale is close enough.
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#129
AusWolf
ScircuraI used the SVG markup on Nvidia's website to calculate their advertised gen-on-gen uplift.

ComparisonFar Cry 6 improvementA Plague Tale: Requiem improvement
5090 vs. 409027.5%43.2%
5080 vs. 408033.2%35.1%
5070 Ti vs. 4070 Ti33.2%35.1%
5070 vs. 407031.3%40.1%


Bar graphs for 5080 and 5070 Ti have exact same sizes for these two games. And who knows if any of these bars are just an "artist's rendition of performance improvements". But Nvidia won't put real numbers in their presentation so this is the best we've got...
Did you base that on frame generation enabled data? If so, you shouldn't have bothered, it means nothing. The games were tested at different settings on the two GPU generations.
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#130
ShrimpBrime
My 4070 super was 600$ US. If a 5070 is faster, even a little bit (10%), 550$ is excellent. I'd be happy to pay that. :)
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#131
oxrufiioxo
ScircuraI used the SVG markup on Nvidia's website to calculate their advertised gen-on-gen uplift.

ComparisonFar Cry 6 improvementA Plague Tale: Requiem improvement
5090 vs. 409027.5%43.2%
5080 vs. 408033.2%35.1%
5070 Ti vs. 4070 Ti33.2%35.1%
5070 vs. 407031.3%40.1%


Bar graphs for 5080 and 5070 Ti have exact same sizes for these two games. And who knows if any of these bars are just an "artist's rendition of performance improvements". But Nvidia won't put real numbers in their presentation so this is the best we've got...
If the farcry gains hold then all good for the price.
AusWolfDid you base that on frame generation enabled data? If so, you shouldn't have bothered, it means nothing. The games were tested at different settings on the two GPU generations.
Farcry isn't using frame gen or DLSS
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#132
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
AusWolfDid you base that on frame generation enabled data? If so, you shouldn't have bothered, it means nothing. The games were tested at different settings on the two GPU generations.
This too! Look at the footnote. What the fuck NVIDIA
ShrimpBrimeMy 4070 super was 600$ US. If a 5070 is faster, even a little bit (10%), 550$ is excellent. I'd be happy to pay that. :)
You shouldn't be buying a RTX 5070 if you just got a RTX 4070 Super (unless you can sell it for a good price now).
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#133
oxrufiioxo
CheeseballThis too! Look at the footnote. What the fuck NVIDIA
Farcry is just one game so better not to draw any conclusions but it gives us some idea at least.
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#134
mrnagant
What is Nvidia basing the AI TOPS value off of? FP8?
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#135
oxrufiioxo
mrnagantWhat is Nvidia basing the AI TOPS value off of? FP8?
FP4 I think but I could be wrong.... Sad we only have Farcry to give us some idea of performance lmao fing Nvidia...
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#136
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
mrnagantWhat is Nvidia basing the AI TOPS value off of? FP8?
Yeah, on the footnote it says: Flux.dev FP8 on 40 Series, FP4 on 50 Series.

Why NVIDIA

Fucking marketing is annoying
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#137
AusWolf
oxrufiioxoFP4 I think but I could be wrong.... Sad we only have Farcry to give us some idea of performance lmao fing Nvidia...
They pulled the same crap during the Ada launch. Watch it guys, frame gen x8 is coming with the 60x series!
CheeseballYeah, on the footnote it says: Flux.dev FP8 on 40 Series, FP4 on 50 Series.

Why NVIDIA

Fucking marketing is annoying
To build hype and hide real performance data.

I would make such comparisons illegal.
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#138
ShrimpBrime
CheeseballThis too! Look at the footnote. What the fuck NVIDIA


You shouldn't be buying a RTX 5070 if you just got a RTX 4070 Super (unless you can sell it for a good price now).
I for sure will keep it. Way more than I need honestly. Bought it to bench and kept this one. Had strong benchmark scores that I like. Looks nice next to a DryIce pot when I get real frisky with the cpu. And minor gaming. Jam 1080P monitor with that. 144hz oc Acer Nitro. Anyhow, would only buy 5000 series for some benchmarks and sell it quickly back into the community somewhere.
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#139
oxrufiioxo
AusWolfThat's pretty meh, imo. Although, being cheaper is a plus.
It's probably going to be more than that I'm just being pessimistic because Nvidia showed literally one game and magically all 4 gpu's are 30% faster than what they replace how is that for segmentation lol... Guessing the 5090 would be 33% faster as well but is probably hitting CPU limits.
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#140
evernessince
PlutoidRepublic5070 equal to 4090?? really? how exactly.
Multi-frame generation probably, it's pretty typical of Nvidia to make misleading comparisons. They said up to 3x the base framerate so I except the actual raw performance of the 5070 to be significantly lower than a 4090. That's logical though, Nvidia isn't claiming breakthrough raster performance gains this gen, in fact the keynote just finished and they spent 0 time on raster performance.

The reduced artifacts for DLSS are nice and the AI compression is interesting but I feel like if you are adding more AI models to the graphics pipeline you pretty much offset the reduction in artifacts anyways by introducing more. The 3x frame generation isn't remotely interesting to me, it's going to carry it's own set of drawbacks and base FG itself hardly had any use to begin with.
AusWolfThat's pretty meh, imo. Although, being cheaper is a plus.
The 5080 is only a small price cut when you factor in the value you are getting relative to the flagship. Still 16GB of VRAM and smaller compared to the flagship.
AusWolfThey pulled the same crap during the Ada launch. Watch it guys, frame gen x8 is coming with the 60x series!
They do that every gen. People should not be falling for it at this point.
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#141
Visible Noise
Legacy-ZAWe shall see; Depending on ones resolution, one might run into another issue, that being, if the CPU isn't strong enough when you render games at lower resolutions and upscale them, you run into the same problem as when you benchmark older CPU's on 1080p, I doubt everyone is rocking a 9800X3D. :D
RTX Mega Geometry is supposed to be the solution to that.
A 4090 is cpu limited a lot of the time. Nvidia knew this and are making changes to make sure it’s not a large issue for the 50 series. They really do think ahead.
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#142
oxrufiioxo
AusWolfThey pulled the same crap during the Ada launch. Watch it guys, frame gen x8 is coming with the 60x series!


To build hype and hide real performance data.

I would make such comparisons illegal.
Yo their fanboys luv dat sh1+ and don't get me wrong I don't even dislike Nvidia version of frame generation It just should not be used until you can't tell it's on and the latency of 240 frame generated frames is comparable to 240 native frames.
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#143
AusWolf
Visible NoiseRTX Mega Geometry is supposed to be the solution to that.
A 4090 is cpu limited a lot of the time. Nvidia knew this and are making changes to make sure it’s not a large issue for the 50 series. They really do think ahead.
By doing what? Are they building a CPU twice as fast as the 9800X3D?
oxrufiioxoYo their fanboys luv dat sh1+ and don't get me wrong I don't even dislike Nvidia version of frame generation It just should not be used until you can't tell it's on and the latency of 240 frame generated frames is comparable to 240 native frames.
It's like comparing with different graphics settings. It's false data, there are no two words about it. I'm disgusted to the core.
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#144
wolf
Better Than Native
yfn_ratchetI don't know how you can somehow become worse at presenting performance metrics than AMD or god forbid Intel. Christ.
I still rate AMD's marketing slides for the 5900XT and 5800XT as considerably worse and more purposely misleading. This is about what I've come to expect from Nvidia, best case scenario's but everything you need to be 'warned' about in the footnotes. This is as oppose to misleadingly showing CPU performance in a GPU limited scenario which was megalulz levels of gargantuan stupidity, which disgusted me to my core.
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#145
AusWolf
wolfI still rate AMD's marketing slides for the 5900XT and 5800XT as considerably worse and more purposely misleading. This is about what I've come to expect from Nvidia, best case scenario's but everything you need to be 'warned' about in the footnotes. This is as oppose to misleadingly showing CPU performance in a GPU limited scenario which was megalulz levels of gargantuan stupidity.
Yeah, that one was stupid as heck. But this one is downright malicious.
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#146
Visible Noise
Man, Nvidia announces their third generation AI based image reconstruction, while AMD hasn’t gotten their first generation out of the door yet.

It‘s obvious why AMD pre-announced AI upscaling, they knew what Nvidia had up their sleeve and had to have some kind of response.

Nvidia just continues to pull further ahead. In the meantime AMD can’t even bring phone level RT to their desktop GPUs.
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#147
wolf
Better Than Native
AusWolfBut this one is downright malicious.
I would assert the opposite, I found AMD's one worse and straight up malicious.
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#148
AusWolf
Visible NoiseMan, Nvidia announces their third generation AI based image reconstruction, while AMD hasn’t gotten their first generation out of the door yet.

It‘s obvious why AMD pre-announced AI upscaling, they knew what Nvidia had up their sleeve and had to have some kind of response.

Nvidia just continues to pull further ahead. In the meantime AMD can’t even bring phone level RT to their desktop GPUs.
Why do you have to bring up AMD here?
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#149
igormp
CheeseballYeah, on the footnote it says: Flux.dev FP8 on 40 Series, FP4 on 50 Series.

Why NVIDIA

Fucking marketing is annoying
40 series does not support FP4, it's a new feature from blackwell (it was already known given the GB200 is already in production)
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#150
AusWolf
wolfI would assert the opposite, I found AMD's one worse and straight up malicious.
I don't think it is. Of course all CPUs are equal in a GPU-limited scenario. This is just common knowledge, they didn't really invent the wheel there.

But this is like comparing at different graphics settings purposefully to make the new product look better than it is. It's straight up lying.
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