NostrasOk, that's more like it.
If the 9070XT really achieves 95% of 7900XTX performance it should sell well if they price it at 600$ or less.
At 650$ it's a bit too expensive and more or less a direct replacement for the 7900XT, very "meh", but also much in line with what Nvidia is doing. If stock is good at least we can actually get something.
At 700$... Things get rough.
At 750$ or more it's very DOA.

I fully assume it'll be the same as the cheapest 5070ti we have, IE ~€950, the main difference being stock. I hope this is incorrect.

bugI mean, we can all hope, but when was the last time AMD significantly undercut Nvidia on price/perf?

The last time 2013, r9 290x. They could've done that with the 7900 xtx vs 4090 if it had launched at 800 but they didn't. I say on this go around they need to pull a 290x scenario again. Launch the 9070xt @ 550, if its raster is >=7900xtx, it will render even a 5080 obsolete.

FrickI fully assume it'll be the same as the cheapest 5070ti we have, IE ~€950, the main difference being stock. I hope this is incorrect.

The 7900XT is about €700 or so, the 9070XT may not cost more than that as you're effectively trading a smidge of extra performance for less VRAM.
There's just not much point comparing it against Nvidia right now as they're unobtanium.
Do we use street prices? In that case AMD can sell it for €1200 and still be price competitive against a €1400 5070Ti.
Or should we use last gen Nvidia cards? The 4070 Super is priced €680 and is not comparable in performance to the 7900XT and (if this is correct) definitely not against the 9070XT. Plus you're giving up 4GB quite valuable VRAM.

At 700€ it's "ok". At 650€ it's good. At 600€ it will sell like hotcakes.
At 750€ or more I want whatever AMD is taking. (But more seriously, just wait a month or three because they won't sell shit)

It's all about price. If they can snag those 3060(ti)/4060(ti)/3070(ti)/6700/7700/6800/7800/4070 users with these two SKU's it's a big a win. Psychologically, the 9070 needs to be $489 msrp. And the XT needs to be $599. We can only hope that the leaked prices are place holders lol.

Sound_CardIt's all about price. If they can snag those 3060(ti)/4060(ti)/3070(ti)/6700/7700/6800/7800/4070 users with these two SKU's it's a big a win. Psychologically, the 9070 needs to be $489 msrp. And the XT needs to be $599. We can only hope that the leaked prices are place holders lol.

I think $400/500 for the base/xt would be ideal but I'm OK with $440/550. They need to to squeeze a lil bit more than a 7900xtx perf imho but keep the prices around 7800xt/7900gre levels. It will make 5070-5080 irrelevant especially if it comes with features. I could care less about RT and upscaling but ik the market may think otherwise.

Most ppl crying about the features and they won't even use them. I was playing on my 6900xt at 4k and had very few hiccups. I upgraded my cpu to 9800x3d and things changed. I know anyone using 7900xt/4080 and above playing at 4k should be in a better situation than I was with my 9800x3d/6900xt combo. I have since upgraded to a 5080 and looking forward to putting this setup through it's paces today. I also have a 7900xtx/5070ti on the way but I'll send them all back and pick up two or three 9070xt(s) if it's priced right.

If 9070xt hit raster between 7900xt and xtx and beat them in rt I buy it at 700-750 no issue.
If non xt hit between 7800xt and 7900gre , i buy max 550.
Have 2 pc to make upgrade the gpu.
I can wait end of the year not in a hurry waiting price to stabilize.

FrickI fully assume it'll be the same as the cheapest 5070ti we have, IE ~€950, the main difference being stock. I hope this is incorrect.

me too if the performance of this card is as good as its rumored to be; if it’s even fairly priced it should do well in the market.

Solaris17me too if the performance of this card is as good as its rumored to be; if it’s even fairly priced it should do well in the market.

I fully expect the 9070XT to be at or a little above the 9700XT for $750. New features include FSR4, better RT and maybe a new Multi frame gen to compete with Nvidias Multi frame gen.

Jtuck9Isn't it already starting to be baked into the process? Hopefully that becomes more efficient over time, up to a point.

I sure do hope so otherwise the games wont sell or look hideous as a result :) Devs will make their choices in the end based on how they get sales for games, not for GPUs. That only happens rarely with publishers getting a Nvidia bag of money to add RT - example: Cyberpunk.

Its not always the case of course, but in the larger scheme of things, there are even now just what, 3-4 titles that have integrated it so you cant go without? All business is a gamble...

dir_dI fully expect the 9070XT to be at or a little above the 9700XT for $750. New features include FSR4, better RT and maybe a new Multi frame gen to compete with Nvidias Multi frame gen.

If the 9070xt has similar performance to the 7900XTX , there is no way it will cost $750 even for the FE model. I know the rumors seems to indicate xtx performance for $750 but I just don’t see it happening . Something is off either the leaked performance is off or rumored pricing is off

HxxIf the 9070xt has similar performance to the 7900XTX , there is no way it will cost $750 even for the FE model. I know the rumors seems to indicate xtx performance for $750 but I just don’t see it happening . Something is off either the leaked performance is off or rumored pricing is off

There. Is. No. Way.
64CUs... even the 7900XT has 84.

sbaccFor MSRP, it was far too long ago, but for short time promotional pricing, at least in my country you can get much better deal with AMD...
Last year, for black friday deals, the cheapest 4070ti super was still close to 750usd (curency converted, without sale tax) while you could get a 7900xt for 570usd...

Now, if you live and die for RT and DLSS and don't care about VRAM, you will say this isn't undercutting..but at nearly 200usd price difference for the same raster performance I will say you need to be seriously biased toward Nvidia technology to say so...

Not disagreeing one bit, but if we're talking promo prices, I'm sure we can find better deals going either way.

Great!
Hope it was not only a rumor, but they will really make a 32GB version too!

Vayra86There. Is. No. Way.
64CUs... even the 7900XT has 84.

I believe it's possible with RT on. But raster, I suspect GRE like.

Sound_CardIt's all about price. If they can snag those 3060(ti)/4060(ti)/3070(ti)/6700/7700/6800/7800/4070 users with these two SKU's it's a big a win. Psychologically, the 9070 needs to be $489 msrp. And the XT needs to be $599. We can only hope that the leaked prices are place holders lol.

I'd buy one for $599 as a tide me over till next gen card. The 12GB on my 3080 Ti is killing me on 4K at times.

I sssume AMD fans may well be livid if their new midrange card doesn't beat the previous high end.

Besides, being only 16GB in 2025 Edward Snowdon won't be interested that is for sure.

Are we are not on the website that has most popular gpu database on the web?
Did you check the specs of these GPUs?

So we are to believe that a new GPU 9070 XT, with 4096 shaders could be as fast as 7900 XTX that has 50% more ( 6144 shaders)?! Or even close?
Are you saying AMD just made 50% improvement from last gen? Just does not make sense. It would be great, but very hard to believe.

You know what important is, if this videocard will have overclocking head room, like the 4070ti or the 4080 or factory fully overclocked?

For what its worth, my overclocked 4070Ti got 7452 at 3840x2160.





For science :)

Edit:

I was using the newest version.. they were not.. tsk tsk.

NostrasOk, that's more like it.
If the 9070XT really achieves 95% of 7900XTX performance it should sell well if they price it at 600$ or less.
At 650$ it's a bit too expensive and more or less a direct replacement for the 7900XT, very "meh", but also much in line with what Nvidia is doing. If stock is good at least we can actually get something.
At 700$... Things get rough.
At 750$ or more it's very DOA.

I guess Nvidia's brain washing is doing wonders. Nvidia comes out with fake MSRPs, with real prices being even twice the MSRP price in some rare occasions, no availability, missing hardware(ROPs) and features(PhysX), bad drivers(black screens, games crushing, cards bricked), design problems that can lead to fire(on the cable, on the PSU, or the PCB) and people's minds are still stuck in the narrative
"If AMD doesn't put low prices, their products, no matter performance and features, will be DOA".

In CPUs when Intel messed up, people quickly decided to give a chance to AM5. The X3D chips helped, even considering that the 7000 X3D chips are not the best for productivity and 9800X3D is more or less only for gaming. But people didn't rushed to say "9800X3D for $399 or 9800X3D DOA". No, they gone and bought the CPU.

In GPUs Nvidia messed up even worst in hardware than Intel, shows no respect to consumers by making fun of them in their faces and people demand from AMD to give them the perfect product at the lowest price to not call it DOA and in the end rush to pay Nvidia.

I have to give credit to Nvidia's marketing department. They have the whole market hypnotized.

Sound_CardI believe it's possible with RT on. But raster, I suspect GRE like.

Obviously, but that's really just because RDNA3 does RT really poorly, not because the 9070XT is such a fast GPU. So now what, you've got a tiny uptick of performance with RT on, and below the 7900XT with it off. I mean you're still missing 20 CUs that also ain't doing raster.

Not exactly something that'll move mountains; so they will need a low price point; certainly lower than 7900XT is today, or I think its just DOA. And yes, even with Nvidia screwing things up on the daily; after all, the 7900XT and 7800XT have existed at that lower price point for a while now.

john_I guess Nvidia's brain washing is doing wonders. Nvidia comes out with fake MSRPs, with real prices being even twice the MSRP price in some rare occasions, no availability, missing hardware(ROPs) and features(PhysX), bad drivers(black screens, games crushing, cards bricked), design problems that can lead to fire(on the cable, on the PSU, or the PCB) and people's minds are still stuck in the narrative
"If AMD doesn't put low prices, their products, no matter performance and features, will be DOA".

In CPUs when Intel messed up, people quickly decided to give a chance to AM5. The X3D chips helped, even considering that the 7000 X3D chips are not the best for productivity and 9800X3D is more or less only for gaming. But people didn't rushed to say "9800X3D for $399 or 9800X3D DOA". No, they gone and bought the CPU.

In GPUs Nvidia messed up even worst in hardware than Intel, shows no respect to consumers by making fun of them in their faces and people demand from AMD to give them the perfect product at the lowest price to not call it DOA and in the end rush to pay Nvidia.

I have to give credit to Nvidia's marketing department. They have the whole market hypnotized.

You type this using the example of the X3Ds that are objectively better at anything gaming related and saying people are just shelling out the money for it, and you are blind to the fact that Nvidia does exactly that for GPUs and people aren't allowed to do the same?

I mean the numbers don't lie. Nvidia IS faster, more energy efficient at the same FPS, and has a bigger featureset and better support for those features. Even despite the fuckups. Of course people are ready to pay premium for the best thing, they always have; that's exactly why AMD should keep dealing in the high end and trying to achieve that top spot. The lines should be faded enough between the red/green that its really up to personal preference, and not tangible, objective performance gaps like they have now.

'Respect for customers'? Again... you type this in the face of AMD who did what exactly with RDNA3? They priced it so badly nobody would even consider it :) What do you mean, respect?! Also... vapor chamber issue on the XTX... not that unlike what's happening on Blackwell today, is it?

Man you really REALLY need a reality check here.

Let's face it even if the 9070XT releases with vastly updated RT and a better FSR, its still not in the same position as Nvidia's stack and support. Close, the lines are indeed fading a little bit... but close enough? No... to really blur the lines sufficiently, they also need a competitive price. Even FSR4 is still a promise and not a reality, for the overwhelming majority of games, for example. Those are real arguments that should affect pricing. Simple. And this is entirely AMD's fault and problem, because they lack consistency. Every gen, its a new story. That doesn't inspire trust, and trust results in value.

Vayra86You type this using the example of the X3Ds that are objectively better at anything gaming related and saying people are just shelling out the money for it, and you are blind to the fact that Nvidia does exactly that for GPUs and people aren't allowed to do the same?

Until a year ago, AMD was doing again the same in CPUs, but people where treating them the same way they treat them in GPUs today. AMD was offering better efficiency, top gaming performance, a platform that was offering upgradability, top apps performance and still people where cheering for Intel, because Intel had 1-5% higher gaming and single thread performance when hitting 300W of power consumption. Intel messed up badly, people turned to AMD.
Now Nvidia is messing up badly and people demand from AMD the perfect card at the perfect price, or they will ignore them once more and go again to Nvidia.

Vayra86I mean the numbers don't lie. Nvidia IS faster, more energy efficient at the same FPS, and has a bigger featureset and better support for those features. Even despite the fuckups. Of course people are ready to pay premium for the best thing, they always have; that's exactly why AMD should keep dealing in the high end and trying to achieve that top spot. The lines should be faded enough between the red/green that its really up to personal preference, and not tangible, objective performance gaps like they have now.

Not in every category. It's not faster in every category. And people pay premium to get a slower Nvidia card in the low end category. And not all features are intended for gamers. Not everyone is a streamer, creates ray traced images, or runs text to image software to need the best features there. RT performance, raster performance and (unfortunately) upscaling is what a gamer needs today. Nvidia added multi frame generation that is probably still unusable. What else did they added? A!, DLSS 4 that makes DLSS 3 look bad, when until yesterday it was great.

Vayra86'Respect for customers'? Again... you type this in the face of AMD who did what exactly with RDNA3? They priced it so badly nobody would even consider it :) What do you mean, respect?! Also... vapor chamber issue on the XTX... not that unlike what's happening on Blackwell today, is it?

My point exactly. AMD needs to price something at a loss to make people happy. 7900XTX should be $600 MSRP, 7900XT $450 max, 7800XT $300 and 7700XT $200. Any higher price and AMD doesn't show respect to consumers. At least their MSRPs where REAL. Who shows more respect to you? The one who says $750 and means $750 or the one who says to you $750 and when you rush to get in their shop you see the price being at $1000? I think you are confusing what "respect to the customer" means. Vapor chamber problems is something that haven't had to do with AMD. AMD doesn't build vapor champers to say they had a bad batch and said "who cares, let's use it". Instead Nvidia and Intel had bad chips and said "Let's use them, let's take people's money, they wouldn't realize it". Nvidia cut of those ROPs in those chips, put the correct firmware on those cards and then pretended they didn't knew. Out of 1000 people getting those cards, probably only 100 know what GPUz is and from those 100, probably only 50 know that the ROP count isn't the correct one. And from those 50 only 5 will probably do all that "send and old one and wait to get the new one" trouble. Especially those who have ordered online and don't have the retailer's shop next to their house. Money in the pocket.

Vayra86Man you really REALLY need a reality check here.

"Man you really REALLY need a reality check here."

Vayra86Let's face it even if the 9070XT releases with vastly updated RT and a better FSR, its still not in the same position as Nvidia's stack and support. Close, the lines are indeed fading a little bit... but close enough? No... to really blur the lines sufficiently, they also need a competitive price. Even FSR4 is still a promise and not a reality, for the overwhelming majority of games, for example. Those are real arguments that should affect pricing. Simple. And this is entirely AMD's fault and problem, because they lack consistency. Every gen, its a new story. That doesn't inspire trust, and trust results in value.

So, as I said. People demand from AMD the perfect product, a product that, if there are 20 categories it needs to be winning not in 10, 15 or even 19 categories, but in all 20 and also be priced at a ridiculously low price to not call it DOA. Well, AM5 CPUs are not winning in all categories, still people buy those. AM5 platform is not winning in the price category, still people buy it. But no, in GPUs AMD needs to win in ALL categories and also be way cheaper, or it is DOA.
Well, enjoy your monopoly.

OK, let me add this here and YOU put a price on it. Maybe $400 max, because of missing features compared to RTX 4060 Ti?

AMD Radeon RX 9070 series gaming performance leaked: RX 9070XT is 42% faster on average than 7900 GRE at 4K - VideoCardz.com

john_Until a year ago, AMD was doing again the same in CPUs, but people where treating them the same way they treat them in GPUs today. AMD was offering better efficiency, top gaming performance, a platform that was offering upgradability, top apps performance and still people where cheering for Intel, because Intel had 1-5% higher gaming and single thread performance when hitting 300W of power consumption. Intel messed up badly, people turned to AMD.
Now Nvidia is messing up badly and people demand from AMD the perfect card at the perfect price, or they will ignore them once more and go again to Nvidia.

Not in every category. It's not faster in every category. And people pay premium to get a slower Nvidia card in the low end category. And not all features are intended for gamers. Not everyone is a streamer, creates ray traced images, or runs text to image software to need the best features there. RT performance, raster performance and (unfortunately) upscaling is what a gamer needs today. Nvidia added multi frame generation that is probably still unusable. What else did they added? A!, DLSS 4 that makes DLSS 3 look bad, when until yesterday it was great.

My point exactly. AMD needs to price something at a loss to make people happy. 7900XTX should be $600 MSRP, 7900XT $450 max, 7800XT $300 and 7700XT $200. Any higher price and AMD doesn't show respect to consumers. At least their MSRPs where REAL. Who shows more respect to you? The one who says $750 and means $750 or the one who says to you $750 and when you rush to get in their shop you see the price being at $1000? I think you are confusing what "respect to the customer" means. Vapor chamber problems is something that haven't had to do with AMD. AMD doesn't build vapor champers to say they had a bad batch and said "who cares, let's use it". Instead Nvidia and Intel had bad chips and said "Let's use them, let's take people's money, they wouldn't realize it". Nvidia cut of those ROPs in those chips, put the correct firmware on those cards and then pretended they didn't knew. Out of 1000 people getting those cards, probably only 100 know what GPUz is and from those 100, probably only 50 know that the ROP count isn't the correct one. And from those 50 only 5 will probably do all that "send and old one and wait to get the new one" trouble. Especially those who have ordered online and don't have the retailer's shop next to their house. Money in the pocket.

"Man you really REALLY need a reality check here."

So, as I said. People demand from AMD the perfect product, a product that, if there are 20 categories it needs to be winning not in 10, 15 or even 19 categories, but in all 20 and also be priced at a ridiculously low price to not call it DOA. Well, AM5 CPUs are not winning in all categories, still people buy those. AM5 platform is not winning in the price category, still people buy it. But no, in GPUs AMD needs to win in ALL categories and also be way cheaper, or it is DOA.
Well, enjoy your monopoly.

OK, let me add this here and YOU put a price on it. Maybe $400 max, because of missing features compared to RTX 4060 Ti?

AMD Radeon RX 9070 series gaming performance leaked: RX 9070XT is 42% faster on average than 7900 GRE at 4K - VideoCardz.com

Sorry but no the puppy eyed poor AMD card aint working on me. Thats all you really said, and its ridiculous. Mindshare only goes so far and yes, it takes time to build and is also easy to lose, but if you've been consistent for a long time, it takes longer to lose. Intel aint popular anymore, for all the right reasons and yes it took a while for people to get the memo. I can imagine the same thing counts wrt Nvidia. AMD? Never consistent EXCEPT with Zen. Gen on gen of solid product and here too it took 3-4 generations for people to figure it out. As a consequence, even the reasonably improved latest Intel gen didn't really get the popularity it might have deserved; the damage was done, and the issues linger in people's heads. And important as well: its not faster or fastest anymore, only situationally. See where Intel is at now? In that same low-reward for high effort zone as AMD used to be. The product's better than 14th gen... and yet I still wouldn't buy it just because the trust in Intel has taken a major blow. I'm not gonna reward that.

So unlike you I can truly identify all of this going both ways. There is no anti AMD conspiracy. At best there is successful marketing, but hey... isn't that something that ties right into having matching product lines too? And on that front, we can make an exhaustive list of AMD's marketing failures, heck, we're literally in one as we speak. AMD's problems are all AMD's problems, not anyone else's and certainly not mine or yours. I'm just here to buy something, right?

john_OK, let me add this here and YOU put a price on it. Maybe $400 max, because of missing features compared to RTX 4060 Ti?

I'd price it at 599,-, and if I were AMD, I'd make sure the cards are actually getting sold at that price too.

But you and I both know that ain't happening. AMD isn't pushing that line, even though it would benefit 'gamers'. Gotta give the sellers their margin options.

At this point, there's a lot of info that's pretty much all but officially confirmed. No point in speculating that far off..

No, it's not going to be GRE level in raster let alone RT. It's going to land somewhere between 7900XT and XTX in raster, and faster than the XTX in RT.

Now I know there's a lot of speculation about how a 64CU part is performing that high. All you need to look at is the die size. It's not that small.. and once you start guessing why, you realise it can be a combination of factors as to why the CU count by itself doesn't mean much.

Now the question is, how close is it to the xtx/4080s/5070ti in raster? And what of RT, is it appreciably faster than the xtx and in the same ballpark as 4070ti? What about price, is it going to be $600 with availability at that MSRP for reference boards?

Hit all three of those and i think you have a winner. But let's see..

john_I guess Nvidia's brain washing is doing wonders. Nvidia comes out with fake MSRPs, with real prices being even twice the MSRP price in some rare occasions, no availability, missing hardware(ROPs) and features(PhysX), bad drivers(black screens, games crushing, cards bricked), design problems that can lead to fire(on the cable, on the PSU, or the PCB) and people's minds are still stuck in the narrative
"If AMD doesn't put low prices, their products, no matter performance and features, will be DOA".

In CPUs when Intel messed up, people quickly decided to give a chance to AM5. The X3D chips helped, even considering that the 7000 X3D chips are not the best for productivity and 9800X3D is more or less only for gaming. But people didn't rushed to say "9800X3D for $399 or 9800X3D DOA". No, they gone and bought the CPU.

In GPUs Nvidia messed up even worst in hardware than Intel, shows no respect to consumers by making fun of them in their faces and people demand from AMD to give them the perfect product at the lowest price to not call it DOA and in the end rush to pay Nvidia.

I have to give credit to Nvidia's marketing department. They have the whole market hypnotized.

You have a completely wrong read here.

So let's talk about CPUs. Intel was giving you lackluster increases for years where the same quad core i7 got 5% IPC increase year over year. They still sold better, why? Because AMD was still in the Bulldozer era and those were worse.

When Zen and Zen+ came out, it was a step in the right direction, but still needed work. Intel started floundering at 14nm here which helped a lot. Zen 2 came out and was a hit, but still not quite as good as Intel. So what did AMD do? They priced aggressively. The market noticed and started to buy in.

Zen 3 comes and now you are beating Intel entirely (until they launched 12th gen), the price reflected that as Zen 3 was priced higher than Zen 2. But the market was already switching to AMD's side massively.

Intel managed to stay somewhat in the game with 12th-14th gen, but definitely at the cost of massive power draw and other issues. Zen 4 priced slightly better than Zen 3 and same with Zen 5. X3D comes out and for gaming massively stomps Intel. AMD can confidently claim performance leadership here.

So where does that leave GPU? Well AMD has 10% marketshare. If they want to capture more of it then they have to do what they did with early Zen. The market doesn't want "just slot into whatever Nvidia dictates the prices should be". The market wants AMD to stomp Nvidia's 70 class, potentially come within their 80 class, and completely reset the pricing dynamic of what mainstream segment is. If they do it right where it would look incredibly stupid to buy a 5070 Ti at +$300 or more over the 9070 XT and AMD can turn the sales into a volume game, then it's a win win. You capture more market, you make more money on volume, and you've successfully given your competitor who has market domination an obvious black eye in the eyes of the consumer, and perhaps the mindshare starts changing.