Thursday, January 28th 2010
Phenom II X6 Series Details Surface, Slated for May 2010
AMD's upcoming six-core desktop processor, codenamed "Thuban" is on course for a May 2010, suggests a report. The series is likely to receive the brand name Phenom II X6. There are four models planned for release within Q2, 2010. The Thuban core is AMD's desktop implementation of the Istanbul core, in the socket AM3 package, supporting dual-channel DDR3 memory. It is a monolithic multi-core design with six x86-64 cores, each with 128 KB of L1, 512 KB of L2 cache, and a 6 MB L3 cache shared between the six cores. Just as with K10 dual, triple, and quad core processors where AMD used a HyperTransport interface clock speed of 1800 MHz (3600 MT/s), or 2000 MHz (4000 MT/s), the new processor will take advantage of HyperTransport 3.x interface, with a HT speed of 2400 MHz (4800 MT/s). Thuban will be built on GlobalFoundaries' 45 nm node.
The table below lists out details of the four planned models. The model number of the top part isn't known. Most likely it is a Black Edition part, which comes with an unlocked BClk multiplier. It operates at 2.80 GHz, with a TDP of 140W. A step below is the Phenom II X6 1075T, which has an expected TDP of 125W, the 1055T is a notch below, and 1035T being the cheapest part. The exact clock speeds of the latter three models isn't known as yet. A month ahead of releasing these chips, AMD will announce the AMD 8-series chipset platform, led by 890FX (high-end, best for CrossFireX), 890GX (performance integrated graphics with CrossFire support). The AMD SB800 series southbridge chips will feature native support for SATA 6 Gb/s. Its on-die SATA controller gives out six SATA ports complete with RAID support. Some existing AM3 motherboards based on 7-series chipsets may also support Phenom II X6 with a BIOS update.
Source:
OCWorkbench
The table below lists out details of the four planned models. The model number of the top part isn't known. Most likely it is a Black Edition part, which comes with an unlocked BClk multiplier. It operates at 2.80 GHz, with a TDP of 140W. A step below is the Phenom II X6 1075T, which has an expected TDP of 125W, the 1055T is a notch below, and 1035T being the cheapest part. The exact clock speeds of the latter three models isn't known as yet. A month ahead of releasing these chips, AMD will announce the AMD 8-series chipset platform, led by 890FX (high-end, best for CrossFireX), 890GX (performance integrated graphics with CrossFire support). The AMD SB800 series southbridge chips will feature native support for SATA 6 Gb/s. Its on-die SATA controller gives out six SATA ports complete with RAID support. Some existing AM3 motherboards based on 7-series chipsets may also support Phenom II X6 with a BIOS update.
277 Comments on Phenom II X6 Series Details Surface, Slated for May 2010
So AMD changes socket compatibility when it makes sense, and not when they try to charge more money in a new board from consumers for every upgrade they make.
Doesn't that make sense from a consumer's point of view?
That said, recommending AMD systems for 90% of the people I know is a no-brainer.
Pentium 4 vs. AMD Phenom I
Intel Core 2 Duo/Quad vs. AMD Phenom I & II
Intel Core i7 vs. AMD Phenom II
Intel Core i9 vs. AMD Phenom II
Where did AMD go wrong? Besides AMD’s earlier CEO being a jackass, Intel released 4 different CPU designs with 2 being major where as AMD’s been using the same CPU design for many years now with a few tweaks here & there hanging on for there dear life.
Possible Future?
Intel Sandy Bridge & Beyond vs. AMD Bulldozer.
AMD’s been working on Bulldozer’s design for a long time now. Bulldozer was suppose to get released in 2009 then AMD kept pushing back its launch date further into the future for a final resting place of 2011. Bulldozer is being designed for expandability, AMD will be able to build on this architecture for many years to come the right way not like Hammer.
Remember this Quote when Bulldozer is finally released sometime in early 2011. Personally I can once again see Intel following AMD’s design lead again just like they’ve been doing for a long time now. AMD leads where Intel’s follows.
If in Handbrake, I do 2 pass, usually around 11000kbps with the following settings in the advanced tab:
This usually results in 3fps for the first pass. I can't remember the fps on the 2nd pass tho.
I mux it all together with mkvtoolnix, complete with subs and chapters in an mkv.
It takes so long, I've pretty much quit compressing it for now, and just put the uncompressed video stream in the mkv. I only compress if I need it to fit on a specific medium, like trying to get it on a flash drive or DVD-DL, or something along those lines.
I had to agonize whether to invest a decent amount of money in a PC or just go with the best budget system.. and being a bit of an obsessive I read page after page of reviews, benchmarks, forums, opinions, everything.. for months.. on which was the best performance.. and which was the best value..
Anyway, yadda yadda, at my lowest budget (in Europe anyway) AMD were best value by far with the cheap X2's and especially the X3 435 at 60 euro, just couldn't be bested at that price.
However
..when comparing the top AMD quad chips, and even though the i5 750 commanded a higher price (Europe again) of 30 euros over the AMD 955 and 20 euros minimum over the motherboard (a 785 for the AMD 955 would've done), even that 50 euro price difference, I still would have gone i5 750 for the performance. Clock for clock and overall its a better chip than the AMDs.
Anyway, in the end, by some miracle I found a new boxed AMD 955 in a pawn shop for 70 euros (just less than 100 dollars) and went with that.
Moral of the story - If there was only one chip company we'd all be paying through the nose for extremely crap expensive chips.
The real moral is that for now Intel is definitely performance king, whereas AMD is lagging behind and concentrating on the value/budget area.. but producing some very well priced chips in the process..
But once again I will give them the Benefit of the doubt ;)
Look at that beautiful this motherboard
In summary to your original post directed at me, no, AMD is not fast enough for my needs, plain and simple.
i suggest ----> :banghead:
FYI. This was not meant to offend any of my friends to the north.
As far as me not owning products, what products would you be referring to? If you don't believe I own the rig in my sys specs, I can assure you I do, and have benches to prove it, or can just take photos of my setup to conform if you wish.
If you mean I don't own a Phenom II, you would be correct, but I have built a few for clients and friends, and do have first hand experience with them, and have even unlocked a couple of 720's for friends. I'm sorry, but they offer nothing over my current setup. That's not to say they are bad, but they are not an upgrade over what I already own.
My AMD rig is couple years old, and consists of a DFI UltraII M2 mobo that can't accept Phenoms, and a 6400+ X2. If it could accept Phenoms, it would have one. (I can also take pictures of that if you wish.)
I'm not the one trolling here, you are. People brought up performance, and I just speculated that Intel will still be faster and still OC better. I also mentioned that the additional performance is worth the money to me. Don't see how that's trolling. I'm not the one getting personal and trying to call anyone out. It all depends on Intel getting complacent, like they did in the P4 days. I don't know if it will be in 4 years, but I'm pretty sure it will happen eventually, and when it does, I'll jump ship back to AMD.
There are 4 tests so far on gamersettings with radeon 5850, 5870 and 5890.
Well xbit lab i actually dont count as a valid test, becouse they paired x8 Crossfire, Am2+ motherbored with 2 gb DDR2 of ram vs i7 x16 crossfire and 6 gb DDR 3 ram.
www.legionhardware.com/
LegionHardware
I7 vs phii 965 both at 4 ghz and with radeon 5970
Phenom wins 5 of 9
Ties 1
I7 wins 3 of 9
www.guru3d.com/article/phenom-ii-x4-965-be-revision-c3-review-test/16
Guru3d - I7-940 vs phii 965 at stock with 5870.
Brother in Arms- På stock
i 1024x768 I7-940 beatsPHII 965 with 5 fps
i 1920x1080 PHII 965 beats I7-940 with 3 fps
Crysis warhead
i 1024x768 I7-940 beats PHII 965 with 6 fps
i 1920x1080 ties
Resident Evil
i 1024x768 I7-940 beats PHII 965 47 fps
i 1920x1080 I7-940 beats PHII 965 30 fps
Far Cry
i 1024x768 I7-940 beats PHII 965 with 25 fps
i 1920x1080 PHII 965 beats I7-940 with 5 fps
benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=384&Itemid=63&limit=1&limitstart=7
I5-750 vs phII 965 - With radeon 5850
Devil May Cry 4 Benchmark
Benchmark Reviews uses the DirectX 10 test set at 1920x1200 resolution to test with 8x AA (highest common AA setting available between GeForce and Radeon video cards) and 16x AF. The benchmark runs through four different test scenes, but scenes #2 and #4 usually offer the most graphical challenge.
Sene 2
I5-750 - Loses with 4,8 fps
Sene 4
I5-750 – Loses with 4,4 fps
Far Cry 2 Benchmark
Benchmark Reviews used the maximum settings allowed for DirectX 10 tests, with the resolution set to 1920x1200. Performance settings were all set to 'Very High', Render Quality was set to 'Ultra High' overall quality, 8x anti-aliasing was applied, and HDR and Bloom were enabled.
I5-750 – Loses with 1,8 fps
Resident Evil 5 Tests
Benchmark Reviews uses the DirectX 10 version of the test at 1920x1200 resolution. Super-High quality settings are configured, with 8x MSAA post processing effects for maximum demand on the GPU. Test scenes from Area #3 and Area #4 require the most graphics processing power, and the results are collected for the chart illustrated below.
Area 3#
I5-750 – Loses with 1,6 fps
Area 4#
i5-750 – Loses with 3,7 fps
So yes if you want to play on low resulution and with eye candy off, i5 and i7 is superior, but can you see it ?, most lcd screens works on 60hz, witch meens 60fps.
But what happens when u turn eyecandy and resolution up.
As far as i can count of the 3 valid tests on gamersettigs
Phenom II 965 has 12 wins
Ties 2 times
Phenom II 965 looses 4 times
Well one time major, but this should tell u that in most games Phenom II is evry bit as good as i5 and i7, actually a littel better.
This also should tell evryone that is interested in hardware that testing on low res and with eyecandy off do not tell the truth wich cpu is a good gamercpu.
G34 Socket BOXED AMD CPU's with three year warranty
Built within a TYAN VX50 System Chassis
with 2+1 Redundant Power Supply
add in a Supplemental Power module for the video graphics adapter
DYNATRON G34 Socket Fans
4 x 6174 AMD OPTERON PROCESSORS
We are just waiting for the Release of the TYAN S8812 Motherboard to build this Server
Motherboard specs...
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They don't even have a motherboard yet. /fail