Thursday, January 28th 2010
Phenom II X6 Series Details Surface, Slated for May 2010
AMD's upcoming six-core desktop processor, codenamed "Thuban" is on course for a May 2010, suggests a report. The series is likely to receive the brand name Phenom II X6. There are four models planned for release within Q2, 2010. The Thuban core is AMD's desktop implementation of the Istanbul core, in the socket AM3 package, supporting dual-channel DDR3 memory. It is a monolithic multi-core design with six x86-64 cores, each with 128 KB of L1, 512 KB of L2 cache, and a 6 MB L3 cache shared between the six cores. Just as with K10 dual, triple, and quad core processors where AMD used a HyperTransport interface clock speed of 1800 MHz (3600 MT/s), or 2000 MHz (4000 MT/s), the new processor will take advantage of HyperTransport 3.x interface, with a HT speed of 2400 MHz (4800 MT/s). Thuban will be built on GlobalFoundaries' 45 nm node.
The table below lists out details of the four planned models. The model number of the top part isn't known. Most likely it is a Black Edition part, which comes with an unlocked BClk multiplier. It operates at 2.80 GHz, with a TDP of 140W. A step below is the Phenom II X6 1075T, which has an expected TDP of 125W, the 1055T is a notch below, and 1035T being the cheapest part. The exact clock speeds of the latter three models isn't known as yet. A month ahead of releasing these chips, AMD will announce the AMD 8-series chipset platform, led by 890FX (high-end, best for CrossFireX), 890GX (performance integrated graphics with CrossFire support). The AMD SB800 series southbridge chips will feature native support for SATA 6 Gb/s. Its on-die SATA controller gives out six SATA ports complete with RAID support. Some existing AM3 motherboards based on 7-series chipsets may also support Phenom II X6 with a BIOS update.
Source:
OCWorkbench
The table below lists out details of the four planned models. The model number of the top part isn't known. Most likely it is a Black Edition part, which comes with an unlocked BClk multiplier. It operates at 2.80 GHz, with a TDP of 140W. A step below is the Phenom II X6 1075T, which has an expected TDP of 125W, the 1055T is a notch below, and 1035T being the cheapest part. The exact clock speeds of the latter three models isn't known as yet. A month ahead of releasing these chips, AMD will announce the AMD 8-series chipset platform, led by 890FX (high-end, best for CrossFireX), 890GX (performance integrated graphics with CrossFire support). The AMD SB800 series southbridge chips will feature native support for SATA 6 Gb/s. Its on-die SATA controller gives out six SATA ports complete with RAID support. Some existing AM3 motherboards based on 7-series chipsets may also support Phenom II X6 with a BIOS update.
277 Comments on Phenom II X6 Series Details Surface, Slated for May 2010
Owning a Les Baer has been my dream for years. I'll likely settle for a Kimber tho, and do some upgrades myself. Like a Barsto barrel and such.
1) The Phenom 2/Athlon 2 are a great series of CPUs. They are in no way slow but they are just not as fast as Intel's current offerings. Still they completely redeemed AMD of the flop that Phenom 1 was.
2) Intel is faster. End of argument.
Problem is, you can't bloody tell the difference between 50, 60 or 70 fps (unless you're the secret cloned ninja offspring of Chuck Norris and Mr. T). On top of that the Intel platform is more expensive and provides less features at the same price point.
Besides, why are we arguing gaming performance in a thread about a 6 core cpu? Games obviously aren't optimized to even use 6 cores yet, so the point is moot.
If current trends are any indication, what is likely going to be true, however, is that the Intel 6 cores are still going to be a fair bit faster than these clock for clock, and likely OC better for 24/7 usage in everything that isn't gaming. I crunch and encode a lot. Phenom II does not benefit someone like me.
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But as a pure gamer and web junkie, my i7 build should keep me moving.:)
But that said, I don't see the six core being a game changer, in any way. This seems like little more than a copy and past of their Opteron 24xx series, same cache same everything, but not the same speeds I hope, as the Opteron 24xx's top out at a blazing 2.6 Ghz, and the top model here seems to be 2.8 Ghz, and seeing as the opteron architecture isn't exactly aimed at OC'ing I'm pretty skeptical to say the least.
Now that said I'm sure a fan boi, will come and point out some "critical" error in my opinion.
Cold bug? Had Intels on LN2 before. Dosent need helium to try and compete in the major overclocking aspect of things.
Total system price? Um 750 is 10 bucks more than 965. Takes new mobo, ram, and cpu to get competetive system prices. Sorry.
Exactly, have to have ddr3 on both systems to get comparable system performance. Which it seems you already have DDR3. Now do 8s with 2400mhz and see if your 1800 can still go toe to toe. Oh wait, your Phenom cant.The 790FX chipset has always been better and cooler than the Nvidia counterparts. Sorry but hacking the software to run in SLI is essentially doing the same thing as Nvidia was doing except Nvidia had official support. I put a 955 in a 750a and got worse results than with the 790FX.I have no idea why AMD fanboys want to argue who exactly has the better chip when the internet will tell them that i5/i7 IS better period. There is no argument for that.
Like i said, just because my name isnt Fits, BTA, or Wiz they want to throw a dick contest my way and people get pissed because ive had all these chips and speak with experience.
Hell Google.com will tell you that Intel has the ultimate chip right now end of story. I dont see what the argument is here hence im done.
As for the how it got derailed. I was started by simply saying there is no point for 6 slow cores when you can have 4 much faster cores doing the job for you. And so it began.
Good day....to this thread anyways.
Yes, i7/i5 does have more power then what AMD has put out, that is something no one should even be talking about, its an obvious and true statement with so many credentials and backing up by varies sites. Now if you're trying to zero in on gaming, well it depends, a lot of it depends on the game itself. Now from what i have seen from various sites, its that the i7/i5's that are generally taking the crown with AMD trailing behind not to far off. the i7 and i5 have a great architecture and things like HT in the i7's offers a bit of a boost depending on the game. The Phenom II's are great CPU's but i really do believe that it's this generation of Intel CPU's that are taking the crown, even if it's not by a whole lot.
But as i said before. the AMD Phenom II x6 CPUs are gonna be awesome.:rockout:
And for your 750a issue, bear in mind very few boards with that chipset had dual x16 slot support. That may not make a big difference with 9800GTX cards, but could mean something with GTX280s. And also, you didn't state if you got the same overclock on the Deneb with the 750a board as you did with your 790FX board.
Im looking forward to the new 6core and personally think it will be premo especially for rendering etc
and the latest AMD max oc's are all on LN2 (did i spell all correctly?)
now on ram yes my ram can hit 2400 CL8 however my platform cannot so to compensate i run tighter timings hence 1800 CL6 which still tosses close to an intel rig@2400CL8 also i don't see dozen's of intels hitting that speed i believe like one did.
an AMD can be built for well under $500 785G board, cpu, DDR3 done.
now hook a 955 to 780A or 980A and go look on XS i have multiple threads on it 780A clocks better than 790FX from the same time period. i hit a 435HT on my athlon II and 790FX hit 360HT :confused: but the AMD chipset is way better. also the word hacked brings something to mind like not the same as official.
no one is arguing Phenom is better that i7 i argued it competitive with i5 and beats it at the same price point hence why major OEM's are starting to move to AMD's (HP, Gateway, Acer, hell even some dell's)
i'm not making a pissing war you quite honestly are i pointed out that AMD can keep up with i5 and you blew a gasket.
oh and if these AMD's keep the same clocks as the current a 4ghz 6 core chip should out bench an i5 easily and maybe throw a bone at i7. there is supposed improved clocking on these chips so hopefully we will see around 4.5ghz on air but thats just me wandering off
Also could you please cite your source for "improved clocking" for these chips, I have not heard any such thing, and as they share almost stat for stat (except a 200 mhz speed increase in the top model) the same specs as the Opteron 24xx's (same cache sizes as well) it's my speculation this is just a repackaged Opteron, and given that overclocking is not something an Opteron is designed with as it's primary function, I think 4.5 Ghz on air is a lofty and unrealistic goal.
Well see, but I think this is getting way too much hype for little more than a 700 word or so press announcement. I think it's best we get some better information, before people go proclaiming the birth of AMD's baby Jesus.
opterons have out clocked athlons for many many years even the phenom 1 based ones outclocked there phenom counterparts (opty 1354 for example)
and its hard to site the source that i got my info from....lets just say a little birdie whispered in my ear.
oh and for whomever said these have no DDR2 mem controller they are wrong no current AMD chip does not have a DDR2 and DDR3 mem controller on them even the 940's had a disabled DDR3 controller on them
and when did a $200 cpu become a budget chip? a $60 athlon II is a budget chip an i3 is even a budget chip an i5 is not
motherboard manuf. have already put thuban support on higher end board BIOS's check the cpu support list on AM3 DFI, ASUS and MSI boards so no they are not forcing you to buy 890FX this isn't intel if the old shit works they keep using it don't force an upgrade thats unnecessary.
That said, we will see, we won't know for sure until the actual thing is in our hands. I will be ordering one to replace my 550BE for my download box:D.
You get butt hurt pretty easy.
And regardless, I would bet money Intel's 6 core will be faster clock for clock, AND oc better for 24/7 settings.
And AMD is every bit as guilty at forcing upgrades at times. That argument is crap and has nothing to do with how good or bad this x6 is going to be, and you know it.
Quit tooting AMD's horn already. You have a vested interest in slinging their name around. Your bias is starting to get silly. Intel chips are currently more powerful, period. AMD has a better price on some products, but the top AMD chips are still overshadowed by Intel's chips in the same price range. 750 is more powerful than 965, plain and simple. But then you can choose to go even further by buying a chip in a class that doesn't even exist in AMD's line. If your budget is lower, sure, AMD is still a good choice, especially for gaming, but that's about where it ends.
Neither manufacturer is God. AMD had the lead for a couple of years, and unfortunately for them, awakened a sleeping giant. They will not be in the lead again until Intel gets complacent again. As long as AMD stays afloat, it will happen eventually I imagine, but I doubt it's going to happen any time in the near future, and especially not with these x6's.
In summary, I am unimpressed until they can keep up with or beat Intel in EVERYTHING. To me, performance for the price I'm willing to pay is God. My price usually extends into a range that I can buy higher end gear at rebuild time, as I save until I can do a full rebuild. As such, the only thing AMD has going for it (price) is completely useless in the case of someone like me.