Thursday, April 9th 2020

Intel 10nm Product Lineup for 2020 Revealed: Alder Lake and Ice Lake Xeons

A leaked Intel internal slide surfaced on Chinese social networks, revealing five new products the company will build on its 10 nm silicon fabrication process. These include the "Alder Lake" heterogenous desktop processor, "Tiger Lake" mobile processor, "Ice Lake" based Xeon Scalable enterprise processors, DG1 discrete GPU, and "Snow Ridge" 5G base-station SoC. Some, if not all of these products, will implement Intel's new 10 nm+ silicon fabrication node that is expected to go live within 2020.

"Alder Lake" is a desktop processor that implements Intel's new heterogenous x86 core design that's making its debut with "Lakefield." The chip features up to 8 larger "Willow Cove" or "Golden Cove" CPU cores, and up to 8 smaller "Tremont" or "Gracemont" cores. This 8-big/8-small combo lets the chip achieve TDP targets around 80 Watts. Next up is "Tiger Lake," Intel's next-generation mobile processor family succeeding "Ice Lake." This microarchitecture implements "Willow Cove" CPU cores in a homogeneous setup, alongside Xe architecture based integrated graphics. "Ice Lake-SP" is Intel's next enterprise architecture that places mature "Sunny Cove" CPU cores in extreme core-count dies. Lastly, there's "Snow Ridge," an SoC purpose built for 5G base-stations. Image quality notwithstanding, these slides don't appear particularly new, and it's likely that COVID-19 has destabilized the roadmap. For instance, "Alder Lake," and "Ice Lake-SP" are expected to be 10 nm++ chips, a node that doesn't go live before 2021.
Source: Black_fang XIII (Reddit)
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45 Comments on Intel 10nm Product Lineup for 2020 Revealed: Alder Lake and Ice Lake Xeons

#26
IceShroom
yeeeemanFor what exactly do you need AVX in a mobile chip?
Lakefield uses the same idea as you said above, "both the Big and Small core (Sunny and Tremont) have same Instruction set, but with different throughput"
If AVX not that important then why Intel was bragging about AVX-512 on Ice Lake(Sunny Cove) and Ice Lake currently availble on mobile.
And DRM software like Denuvo use FMA3 (which Lakefield lacks), with out this new instruction your cpu cant run new games. This days old but still capable Phenom II and Core 2 Quad cant run many game because of lack of new instruction like AVX and FMA3.
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#27
ARF
Dazzm8No Rocket Lake S this year then by the looks?
Rocket Lake is 14nm.

Everything is written in the article. It states "SOME" of the products are 2020 on 10nm+, and others on 10nm++ in 2021.
Alder Lake is 2021 on 10nm++.
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#29
Vayra86
yeeeemanWtf is the problem with +++? All major manufacturers improve nodes over time.
The fact that they need to market it. I don't remember a 22nm +++ but we still got quite a few gens on it and they still were improvements.

These process refinements are exactly like you say, everyone does it. So why mention it? Answer: because its all Intel has, and all the pluses are now, is just a few hundred mhz less base for a few hundred mhz more turbo. So its an empty shell and that is obviously what my sarcasm was about.
Bruno Vieira10nm intel may be denser, but is just a lot worse. Look at the ryzen 4000 mobile 15units, they all smash the ice lake mobile units, all of them, graphics as well. The tiger lake cpus (10+) are sill losing to the amd apus according to the leaks so far.
It kinda still echoes that Intel's design goals were way too difficult to achieve. And then they got stuck so deep there was no way back.
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#30
ARF
Vayra86The fact that they need to market it. I don't remember a 22nm +++ but we still got quite a few gens on it and they still were improvements.

These process refinements are exactly like you say, everyone does it. So why mention it? Answer: because its all Intel has, and all the pluses are now, is just a few hundred mhz less base for a few hundred mhz more turbo. So its an empty shell and that is obviously what my sarcasm was about.
I don't know why they need to market its manufacturing process. No other industry does it.
Better focus on thermals, power consumption, price and performance :laugh:
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#31
yeeeeman
IceShroomIf AVX not that important then why Intel was bragging about AVX-512 on Ice Lake(Sunny Cove) and Ice Lake currently availble on mobile.
And DRM software like Denuvo use FMA3 (which Lakefield lacks), with out this new instruction your cpu cant run new games. This days old but still capable Phenom II and Core 2 Quad cant run many game because of lack of new instruction like AVX and FMA3.
Again, I am repeating because you don't understand. Lakefield is a mobile chip. That is very low power, akin to Snapdragon 865/Apple A13. Regarding newer games, Lakefield doesn't have enough graphical horsepower to run these games anyway, so no need for this. You think you've spotted something than a few hundred Intel/Microsoft/partners from industry employees didn't, but trust me, the market is studied very well and 99% of the users won't try to run Control with RTX enabled on Lakefield devices.
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#32
AnarchoPrimitiv
I'm pretty sure these slides are Old, that's the ONLY way they make sense with respect to what we now know is true about comet lake and what could be true about rocket lake
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#33
yeeeeman
Vayra86The fact that they need to market it. I don't remember a 22nm +++ but we still got quite a few gens on it and they still were improvements.
These process refinements are exactly like you say, everyone does it. So why mention it? Answer: because its all Intel has, and all the pluses are now, is just a few hundred mhz less base for a few hundred mhz more turbo. So its an empty shell and that is obviously what my sarcasm was about.
I kind of agree with what you say, but given their stagnation with process along these years, they want to convey that they still updating the process, even if it not such a big change. You probably agree that the original 14nm wasn't no where near capable of running at 5.3Ghz like the 14nm++ (actually these was no +++, only press invents these pluses).
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#34
Vayra86
yeeeemanI kind of agree with what you say, but given their stagnation with process along these years, they want to convey that they still updating the process, even if it not such a big change. You probably agree that the original 14nm wasn't no where near capable of running at 5.3Ghz like the 14nm++ (actually these was no +++, only press invents these pluses).
Personally I believe Coffee Lake was the last real improvement. The only real plus after that was moving to solder out of pure necessity due to heat, ergo, they just pushed it over the edge.
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#35
ARF
yeeeemanI kind of agree with what you say, but given their stagnation with process along these years, they want to convey that they still updating the process, even if it not such a big change. You probably agree that the original 14nm wasn't no where near capable of running at 5.3Ghz like the 14nm++ (actually these was no +++, only press invents these pluses).
This is a product of the natural ramp up of the node and improved yields. You've got more dies with better characteristics.
Every node does it, and yet you hadn't got 32nm++ or 65nm++.
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#36
evernessince
Vayra86But Intel's 10nm is like TSMC's 7nm, no, wait, its probably better... and when they start adding pluses, you know AMD is doomed.
How about Intel releases a product that isn't 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++ before saying AMD is doomed, eh?
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#37
yotano211
evernessinceHow about Intel releases a product that isn't 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++ before saying AMD is doomed, eh?
it could be worse, they could release 14nm------------------------------
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#38
Vayra86
evernessinceHow about Intel releases a product that isn't 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++ before saying AMD is doomed, eh?
I see the sarcasm was lost on you :)
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#39
IceShroom
yeeeemanAgain, I am repeating because you don't understand. Lakefield is a mobile chip. That is very low power, akin to Snapdragon 865/Apple A13. Regarding newer games, Lakefield doesn't have enough graphical horsepower to run these games anyway, so no need for this. You think you've spotted something than a few hundred Intel/Microsoft/partners from industry employees didn't, but trust me, the market is studied very well and 99% of the users won't try to run Control with RTX enabled on Lakefield devices.
Unlike the Intel cpu those ARM cpu dont lack NEON instruction.
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#40
XiGMAKiD
I'm interested about it actually until I remember it's Intel making 16 cores with their mythical 10nm so it's gonna be mighty expensive
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#41
londiste
IceShroomUnlike the Intel cpu those ARM cpu dont lack NEON instruction.
Isn't NEON more similar to SSE than anything else?
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#42
efikkan
yeeeemanFor what exactly do you need AVX in a mobile chip?
Lakefield uses the same idea as you said above, "both the Big and Small core (Sunny and Tremont) have same Instruction set, but with different throughput"
If you're thinking just ~5-7 W CPUs, then I assume no AVX support is fine for right now.
But there are numerous productive applications and a few games I believe which requires AVX, and usage of AVX is likely to increase since it offers massive performance gains and good efficiency. While I wouldn't recommend doing any real productive work on a laptop anyway, laptops still can get substantial performance gains from AVX, e.g. with laptops running Intel's Clear Linux (compiled with various AVX optimizations).

Adding basic AVX support shouldn't be hard, even in a smaller core. The full desktop architectures uses multiple units spread across three execution ports, a smaller setup can scale this down.
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#43
$ReaPeR$
Let's see how they will complete. Not that I'm hoping for much but benchmarks are always better than theories.
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#45
bug
@ARF No need for that wall of text/pictures. A design so different always needs a new chipset/socket.
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