Wednesday, January 6th 2021

GPUs to See Price Increase Due to Import Tariffs, Other PC Components to Follow

Yesterday, we have reported that ASUS is officially increasing the prices of their graphics cards and motherboards, due to increased component and logistics costs. What the company meant by that was not exactly clear to everyone, as it looked like the company has adjusted to the current market prices exceeding the MSRP of components like graphics cards. The GPUs are today selling at much higher prices compared to the original MSRP and it is representing a real problem for consumers. Today, we get to see what is the underlying problem behind the announcement we saw yesterday and if we are going to see more of that in the close future.

According to the New York Times, the Chinese import tariff exemptions have expired with the arrival of a new year (2021) and we can expect the tariffs to start from 7.5%-25%, which will massively increase component costs. A Reddit user has noted that MSRP will increase about $80 for every major GPU manufacturer like ASUS, GIGABYTE, PNY, Zotac, etc. so we are expecting MSRP adjustment from other companies to follow just like ASUS did. The import tariff exemptions are also supposed to increase MSRPs of other PC components like motherboards, SSDs, PSUs, cases... everything without exemption. As a product of a trade war between China and the Trump administration, it remains a question will these tariffs get easier shortly, so consumers can afford their desired components.
Sources: Tom's Hardware, Reddit
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76 Comments on GPUs to See Price Increase Due to Import Tariffs, Other PC Components to Follow

#26
Nater
phanbueyGod forbid we open a local fab, ship in some talent, and make chips locally. That would be nuts.
TSMC to build fab in Arizona

But don't worry, I'm sure TDS will torpedo this ASAP.
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#27
sepheronx
NaterTSMC to build fab in Arizona

But don't worry, I'm sure TDS will torpedo this ASAP.
This isn't against the Republic of China (Taiwan). But against China. Building Fab plant in Arizona wont solve the issue. The issue isn't the fab plants themselves. It is these companies assembly plants/board makers. These are facilities where the PCB's are made and the chips are then put on the board etc etc etc. Those are in China. Many of them are also automated and that the workers mostly move things around, test the boards/products and what not. These are things people can do almost anywhere else and absolutely do in many countries for many other electronic industries other than what we see here (specialized vs these consumer grade) and there are facilities outside of China. Mexico for instance has a Foxconn plant but that is mostly for apple iphones I believe. Or I can be wrong and that a new one is to be built for iphones.

And I don't think it will go to the USA. Wages in the US are high (and that will hit bottom line, and when that happens, prices will be high anyway). I can see them moving it to Mexico, Vietnam, India, etc as their wages are much lower.

Edit: Now I think about it, I would be offering the Philippines opportunity to build these plants in their country. A lot of high tech workers in Taiwan come from the Philippines and they have already a pretty good tech base as it is. At least more so than India or Vietnam.
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#28
Tomorrow
What about Taiwan export?

I assume that's not affected and individual subcomponents that are manufactured only in China get a price hike?
Also rest of the world? Does China impose these price hikes only to direct imports to USA or is this universal?

Because i assume companies can get around this by first exporting from China to Taiwan. Doing the assembly there and then exporting finished products from Taiwan to other countries including USA.
That problem as i understand is workforce and fab space restrictions in Taiwan compared to China. Taiwanese workforce is more expensive and Taiwan mostly has headquarters and warehouses for products not fabs.

Imho the world should really move more production elsewhere like Philippines, Vietnam, India etc. Better conditions for workers and less export taxes. Apple is already moving in that direction.
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#29
EatingDirt
ThrashZoneHi,
Tariffs won't last long
But as far as new USA manufacturing wrong side won for that to happen EPA will be out in full force once again.... just as it was under previously and we will shed what has been created fairly soon and they will leave and go back to where they were before China/.....
US Manufacturing coming back is a fantasy that people that ignore economics cling to. Manufacturing jobs in the last 4 years in the US increased by around 450,000((fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MANEMP). COVID subsiquently eliminated all the gains. Manufacturing under the previous administration, after the recession, grew just about exactly at the same rate as the current administration(around 900,000 over 5 years).

1. The US will never be able to pay their manufacturing workers as little as China(or other less developed nations) pay them.
2. Overseas shipping is extremely cheap(see US Cotton production).
3. The EPA is a good thing. Do you want to go back to a time when US river-ways caught on fire? www.worldatlas.com/articles/is-the-cuyahoga-river-the-only-river-to-ever-catch-on-fire.html
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#30
sepheronx
EatingDirtUS Manufacturing coming back is a fantasy that people that ignore economics cling to. Manufacturing jobs in the last 4 years in the US increased by around 450,000((fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MANEMP). COVID subsiquently eliminated all the gains. Manufacturing under the previous administration, after the recession, grew just about exactly at the same rate as the current administration(around 900,000 over 5 years).

1. The US will never be able to pay their manufacturing workers as little as China(or other less developed nations) pay them.
2. Overseas shipping is extremely cheap(see US Cotton production).
3. The EPA is a good thing. Do you want to go back to a time when US river-ways caught on fire? www.worldatlas.com/articles/is-the-cuyahoga-river-the-only-river-to-ever-catch-on-fire.html
well, fracking has allowed US water ways to catch of fire. See Flint Michigan.
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#31
Nater
sepheronxThis isn't against the Republic of China (Taiwan). But against China. Building Fab plant in Arizona wont solve the issue. The issue isn't the fab plants themselves. It is these companies assembly plants/board makers. These are facilities where the PCB's are made and the chips are then put on the board etc etc etc. Those are in China. Many of them are also automated and that the workers mostly move things around, test the boards/products and what not. These are things people can do almost anywhere else and absolutely do in many countries for many other electronic industries other than what we see here (specialized vs these consumer grade) and there are facilities outside of China. Mexico for instance has a Foxconn plant but that is mostly for apple iphones I believe. Or I can be wrong and that a new one is to be built for iphones.

And I don't think it will go to the USA. Wages in the US are high (and that will hit bottom line, and when that happens, prices will be high anyway). I can see them moving it to Mexico, Vietnam, India, etc as their wages are much lower.

Edit: Now I think about it, I would be offering the Philippines opportunity to build these plants in their country. A lot of high tech workers in Taiwan come from the Philippines and they have already a pretty good tech base as it is. At least more so than India or Vietnam.
That's something I've never understood - everyone always brings up "wages are too high in the US" and yet nearly everything that goes into making electronic components IS AUTOMATED.
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#32
sepheronx
NaterThat's something I've never understood - everyone always brings up "wages are too high in the US" and yet nearly everything that goes into making electronic components IS AUTOMATED.
For the most part. They still need workers to test the equipment, move the parts, maintain said equipment, install equipment, replace equipment, monitor operations, package products, QC/QA the products, ship products, etc.

I could also go into the politics side and how doing it in the US can limit their sales outside of the country but I'll refrain from that.

Corporations are interested in keeping money in their pockets. Cheap labor, ease of doing business (lack of regulations), cheap infrastructure (big one), cheap utilities and cheap logistics is in their interest. This isn't in the US, Canada or Europe.
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#33
ThrashZone
EatingDirtUS Manufacturing coming back is a fantasy that people that ignore economics cling to. Manufacturing jobs in the last 4 years in the US increased by around 450,000((fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MANEMP). COVID subsiquently eliminated all the gains. Manufacturing under the previous administration, after the recession, grew just about exactly at the same rate as the current administration(around 900,000 over 5 years).

1. The US will never be able to pay their manufacturing workers as little as China(or other less developed nations) pay them.
2. Overseas shipping is extremely cheap(see US Cotton production).
3. The EPA is a good thing. Do you want to go back to a time when US river-ways caught on fire? www.worldatlas.com/articles/is-the-cuyahoga-river-the-only-river-to-ever-catch-on-fire.html
Hi,
Didn't say epa wasn't a good thing just that it can be a bad thing at the same time protecting every little puddle and stopping/ delaying projects indefinitely
Do you remember all the shovel ready projects mess lol epa delays projects for years even government funded projects.

Soon as shipping companies have to know exactly what is really in a package and insure that it won't be as cheap
Right now it's just a joke no accountability at all.

Local government failures is always why bad stuff happens call that the epa okay I call it localized failure someone got paid to not look very hard.
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#34
InVasMani
So it'll cost miner's more money and save the environment a bit in the process where is the downside!? Not like I can buy a GPU anyway with no availability.
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#35
ObiFrost
Obviously nobody likes this, but seems like gaming on high end hardware will spread out to become even more niche than it is right now. The average player will be fine with what they have, because games sharply declined in quality to the point where some triple A IPs aren't even games, but paywalls. I see this strongly affecting home based work setups where advanced computing power is required, because even if you get paid high wages, you want stuff as cheap as possible without sacrificing too much power. As for gamers - meh, pointless whining on "4K 200+ FPS" blah blah crap, instead of rethinking if they actually need, instead of wanting.
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#36
RedelZaVedno
1080TI it is then for another X years. Ngreedia really FU with 1080TI release LOL. Still running strong after 4 years. I can't believe I'm gonna use this GPU for 6 years and not b..tch over it's performance. I'm gonna go with cheap 2nd hand 3080 when mining craze crashes and floods the market with used Amperes in a year or two.
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#37
sepheronx
I was really wanting the 3080 to be honest. I was also waiting for the 3080 Ti or Super. But, it looks like I will have to go with something less, like a 3060ti or at best 3070 non super or Ti.

Man, these prices are a crime.
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#38
Diverge
EatingDirtUS Manufacturing coming back is a fantasy that people that ignore economics cling to. Manufacturing jobs in the last 4 years in the US increased by around 450,000((fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MANEMP). COVID subsiquently eliminated all the gains. Manufacturing under the previous administration, after the recession, grew just about exactly at the same rate as the current administration(around 900,000 over 5 years).

1. The US will never be able to pay their manufacturing workers as little as China(or other less developed nations) pay them.
2. Overseas shipping is extremely cheap(see US Cotton production).
3. The EPA is a good thing. Do you want to go back to a time when US river-ways caught on fire? www.worldatlas.com/articles/is-the-cuyahoga-river-the-only-river-to-ever-catch-on-fire.html
What always gets ignored in 'it's cheaper to manufacture in china' is the amount of time engineers have to spend going back and forth in oversea's communications, troubleshooting issues, and getting them to do things correctly. At least that's what I always hear (that they always agree and say yes, even when they don't understand). I don't have to deal with communications, but often have to troubleshoot stuff after they attempt to. I feel sorry for the people that have to travel there to sort things out...

But you are probably right about the wage costs we'll never be able to compete with, since they want to pay people $15-20/hr in the US to nuke burgers at McDonald's for minimum wage... which was always a kids job when I was younger... Not so much anymore, but we can't talk about that without getting in trouble by the PC police.

Another thing that gets ignored, is while we aren't polluting our local environment with all the chemicals needed for PCB and semiconductor manufacturing, it doesn't change the fact that we all live on the same planet. Then you have child and slave labor issues with people living in factories jumping off roof tops...
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#39
Unregistered
I'm moving to china, pop to local mart for lovely cheap PC stuff
#40
Blue4130
Gruffalo.SoldierI'm moving to china, pop to local mart for lovely cheap PC stuff
I live here (beijing) , you will be sadly disappointed with prices. My last gpu was a 2080, the cost was much higher than what you pay in usa.

If they don't raise the prices here, it will likely mean you will be paying the same as what i pay.
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#41
TheoneandonlyMrK
Err what GPUs 5600x's, and this is exactly why not solely why, I am reflowing a Radeon 7 on Friday, fingers crossed.
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#42
sepheronx
theoneandonlymrkErr what GPUs 5600x's, and this is exactly why not solely why, I am reflowing a Radeon 7 on Friday, fingers crossed.
Best of luck friend
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#43
xkm1948
phanbueyGod forbid we open a local fab, ship in some talent, and make chips locally. That would be nuts.
That would be $5000 per mid tier GPU pls
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#44
Casecutter
As much as I'd like manufacturing jobs to come back, it's not the low paying assemble folks that hurt that.

It's like others have raised, the automation assemble tools that we in America just don't have the companies and skills to make like we once did. If you are an American company where do you have to (almost) go to get such automated equipment made? For the years I was in manufacturing. US contractors worked to create such equipment here. Then little by little, a non critical mold was sourced from China and they'd price it cheap if we ran that tool there. Once you did 10 weeks of non-conforming parts for them to tweak the mold you might get good parts, or pay through nose now to get your mold back here to fix and run! Perhaps we'll have have a 10 spindle automated screw machine, a conveyer line, fixtures and jigs, we had done in-house although it moved because it was so appealing. Yet our machinist hung-on correcting improving their crap as China got better. Next, the box and container folks we work with for years just down the street, who worked just-in-time. Now sure purchasing in bulk now meant a new warehouse location to hold the excess stock of packaging there a cost someone negated. Penny pincher saying so much cheaper (and getting a bonus). Sure savings up front, but now the packaging is marked wrong and unusable... Little by little the whole inter-dependent systems foundation was eroding, the highly skilled jobs gone. You can't just flick a switch and turn it all back on!

All you end-up with (make) is insurrection when you are diluted enough to believe the lies.
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#45
Athlonite
Welcome to the sort of prices we pay here in New Zealand it's nice of you to join us here in getting gouged in the wazoo
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#46
First Strike
NaterThat's something I've never understood - everyone always brings up "wages are too high in the US" and yet nearly everything that goes into making electronic components IS AUTOMATED.
You are the first one in this post to realize the problem. The wage is only a small part of it. The large part is that China has attracted the entire manufacturing chain into its industrial complexes over the years.

Sure you can move the PCB fab to, say, Arizona. But where to buy suitable capacitors, power CMOS, ..., etc? From China again? In China these can be bought literally nextdoor to the PCB fab.

Same goes for smartphones, laptops, etc....
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#47
Rob94hawk
China & scalpers can go pound sand. Perfectly happy gaming with my i5/760 GTX.
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#49
Paganstomp
Since I can't get a RTX 3090 I decided to buy 3 guitars instead. PC is DEAD! LONG LIVE ROCK! :)
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#50
quakebox
I remember when they debated is Desktop dead? That was in the craze of Tablets, I laughed because I knew it will not and here we are the PC market is stronger each year.

Thanks to continious development and great games and services you will always get the best graphics on PC first.

As for prices they are getting rediculious they need to get down.
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