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NVIDIA Rumored to Refresh RTX 30-series with SUPER SKUs in January, RTX 40-series in Q4-2022

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NVIDIA is rumored to be giving its GeForce RTX 30-series "Ampere" graphics card family a mid-term refresh by the 2022 International CES, in January; the company is also targeting Q4-2022, specifically October, to debut its next-generation RTX 40-series. The Q1 refresh will include "SUPER" branded SKUs taking over key price-points for NVIDIA, as it lands up with enough silicon that can be fully unlocked. This leak comes from Greymon55, a reliable source on NVIDIA leaks. It also aligns with the most recent pattern followed by NVIDIA to keep its GeForce product-stack updated. The company had recently released "Ti" updates to certain higher-end price-points, in response to competition from the Radeon RX 6000 "RDNA2" series.

NVIDIA's next-generation will be powered by the "Lovelace" graphics architecture that sees even more hardware acceleration for the RTX feature-set, more raytraced effects, and preparation for future APIs. It also marks NVIDIA's return to TSMC, with the architecture reportedly being designed for the 5 nm (N5) silicon fabrication node. The current-gen GeForce "Ampere" chips are being products on an 8 nm foundry node by Samsung.
Sources: Greymon55 (Twitter), RedGamingTech (YouTube), VideoCardz

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69 Comments on NVIDIA Rumored to Refresh RTX 30-series with SUPER SKUs in January, RTX 40-series in Q4-2022

#51
windwhirl
robbThen you are not playing modern demanding games or either you have some crappy low standards.
Not gonna lie, your annoyance at the whole issue is understandable (we're all annoyed by this in varying degrees), but the way you put it... sounds a bit like elitist speech.
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#52
MentalAcetylide
robbThen you are not playing modern demanding games or either you have some crappy low standards. I'm playing at a lower resolution of 2560x1440 and have the much faster 3070 and I am right at the edge of dropping below 60 FPS for minimums in some games with the settings cranked. Heck in Red Dead Redemption 2 I'm not even close to cranking all the settings. It sure as hell would not be a enjoyable experience for me to cut my GPU power in half and then run a higher resolution on top of that.
I know when it comes to games such as World of Tanks, some of us turn off unnecessary effects/terrain vegetation drawing in order to avoid reduced visibility for aiming. Sometimes higher settings, while it looks amazing, can put you at a major disadvantage in some games. It gets frustrating trying to aim at an enemy through a clump of weeds or tall grass from behind a hill while on an incline with -12 to -14 degrees of gun depression, so I don't have it set to be drawn in the graphics settings. The way I see it, if my gun can shoot through it without reduced effectiveness and my tank can't use it for improving my camo rating, I really don't need it to be shown on the screen.
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#53
Parn
There is only so much NV can do to improve performance without breaking the entire product stack. They've already max'ed out GA104 with the 3070ti, 3080ti is already pretty much on par with 3090 and 3060ti is already made with GA104 instead of GA106. So I guess this is basically to update all the existing 30 series with double amount of VRAM.

Due to the heavily inflated price, much larger size for the cards (quite a bit longer than 10 and 20 series) and high power consumption, I'm not too fond of the entire 30 series. Going to wait for the 40.
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#54
Vayra86
robbThen you are not playing modern demanding games or either you have some crappy low standards. I'm playing at a lower resolution of 2560x1440 and have the much faster 3070 and I am right at the edge of dropping below 60 FPS for minimums in some games with the settings cranked. Heck in Red Dead Redemption 2 I'm not even close to cranking all the settings. It sure as hell would not be a enjoyable experience for me to cut my GPU power in half and then run a higher resolution on top of that.
Correct, I'm not playing whatever pops up on the triple A headlines, because most of it is best played when feature complete. Later in time, on budget bin price, when all the noise has been ironed out. I've learned there is nothing to gain playing things on release, all you get is pay double for more nuisance and the ability to say 'first' when you really never are.

Back when I had the 1080 new, that was not much different btw. I did play Cyberpunk on release! 50 FPS @ 3440x1440, perfectly playable, and I'm very happy not investing big into a GPU to run it faster.

But most competitive online games for example Apex run at > 100 FPS at that res pretty much maxed out. What more do I need and how is that a low standard? I think marketing is clouding your view of reality here. The only higher standards appear when you turn RTX On and halve your framerate so you need to stack more proprietary BS on top to get it running proper. I'll pass on that. I'm about gameplay.

And other newer games are simply on a bucket list. Such as Control - that I would certainly like to see in full glory. So I save it for later, there's enough to play.
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#55
neatfeatguy
ParnThere is only so much NV can do to improve performance without breaking the entire product stack. They've already max'ed out GA104 with the 3070ti, 3080ti is already pretty much on par with 3090 and 3060ti is already made with GA104 instead of GA106. So I guess this is basically to update all the existing 30 series with double amount of VRAM.

Due to the heavily inflated price, much larger size for the cards (quite a bit longer than 10 and 20 series) and high power consumption, I'm not too fond of the entire 30 series. Going to wait for the 40.
I'm entertained by the fact that the 3060 and 3060Ti draw almost the same power and the performance between the two is pretty significant. The 3060, while a solid 1080p card, it just fails in the overall price and power draw.


As for overall power consumption from either of these cards, they give better performance than my old 980Ti cards and draw at least 100W less while gaming. I'm content with my change to using the 3060Ti on my main gaming rig, it was a decent upgrade (not the 3070 or 6800 that I had originally wanted to get, but we all know how things went with availability and pricing).
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#56
BluesFanUK
Honestly, I don't blame Nvidia for their constant price hikes, if they feel they can get away with charging their customers more they will, that's business. The blame lies solely at the feet of the sheer number of idiots who pay the premium regardless and encourage them to keep doing it.

End of the day it doesn't come down to affordability but the principle. No gaming GPU is worth anything north of £600.
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#57
Unregistered
BluesFanUKHonestly, I don't blame Nvidia for their constant price hikes, if they feel they can get away with charging their customers more they will, that's business. The blame lies solely at the feet of the sheer number of idiots who pay the premium regardless and encourage them to keep doing it.

End of the day it doesn't come down to affordability but the principle. No gaming GPU is worth anything north of £600.
Unfortunately there are enough morons willing to pay the prices whatever the cost. It's not about being able to afford it, it's about wanting it otherwise no one would pay the dumb prices.
#58
Unregistered
I'll never buy enthusiast GPUs, I'm fine with xx70 cards from NVIDIA or x700 cards from AMD.
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#60
trsttte
Gruffalo.SoldierI saw a thing today and apparently the 4090 GPU is gonna "possibly" cost £2999, sure there are enough on here that will buy them though :laugh:

www.notebookcheck.net/RTX-4090-gets-restrictive-US-2-999-MSRP-in-unofficial-Nvidia-GeForce-RTX-40-series-price-predictions-list.560778.0.html
I'd just ignore that rumour mill bullshit, it's more than a year away, no one knows. TSMC is raising prices, might raise even more, might decrease. Components availability (from gddr to simple mosfets or inductors or hell even metal) will also change dramatically until then (some up some down, things change).

There's also something to be said about no one tells you to buy one. A Quadro A6000 (pro version of the 3090) is 5000$ and people who need them don't mind paying. Same happen with the 3090, it still massively usefull for some pro's and even a bargain to a point. The error with the 3090 imo wasn't the price, was the fact that they marketed it for gaming and locked FP performance along with other pro features, it should have been a Titan all along.

It's easy to shit on nvidia because of the 3090 or the 3080ti prices, along with the extreme segmentation and cater to high end only (3060, 3060ti, 3070, 3070ti - way to much segmentation trickery at play) but look at the 3080 for example, at msrp it's not a bad deal but scalpers be damned, import tarifs and even partners (who got scewed by nvidia granted)
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#61
Vayra86
trsttteI'd just ignore that rumour mill bullshit, it's more than a year away, no one knows. TSMC is raising prices, might raise even more, might decrease. Components availability (from gddr to simple mosfets or inductors or hell even metal) will also change dramatically until then (some up some down, things change).

There's also something to be said about no one tells you to buy one. A Quadro A6000 (pro version of the 3090) is 5000$ and people who need them don't mind paying. Same happen with the 3090, it still massively usefull for some pro's and even a bargain to a point. The error with the 3090 imo wasn't the price, was the fact that they marketed it for gaming and locked FP performance along with other pro features, it should have been a Titan all along.

It's easy to shit on nvidia because of the 3090 or the 3080ti prices, along with the extreme segmentation and cater to high end only (3060, 3060ti, 3070, 3070ti - way to much segmentation trickery at play) but look at the 3080 for example, at msrp it's not a bad deal but scalpers be damned, import tarifs and even partners (who got scewed by nvidia granted)
The problem isn't Nvidia. And it never was. The problem is the way markets work in a general sense, you see it everywhere.
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#63
bug
KLiKzgThat is why nVidia has nefted the all 30-series cards, link: www.theverge.com/2021/5/18/22441847/nvidia-rtx-3080-3070-ethereum-mining-drivers-limit-cryptocurrency

So no, it is not crypto - which is making problems on the market.
It is, however, a simple material named COAL. :cool:
They tried, but they simply cut hash rates in half and miners discovered, lo and behold, that they can just mine two currencies at the same time.

Both AMD and Nvidia have reported record SKU sales. If they're not on store shelves, clearly somebody else is buying them. Because they'd be collecting dust in storage somewhere if they didn't. Which doesn't make sense, considering the price points.
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#66
KLiKzg
trsttteyou're a couple months too late, that's very old news, they "tried" (not really, more to mine than just eth) but failed
You are missing the point:
- no coal, no electricity in China
- no electricity, no work in factories & foundries
- no foundries & no factories, no semicon products
- no semicon products, no final products (GPU)
- no GPU, demand rises, so does prices
- prices go up, inflation starts
End it goes on...soon a war will start, it must to keep inflation at bay.
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#67
R0H1T
KLiKzgYou are missing the point:
- no coal, no electricity in China
- no electricity, no work in factories & foundries
- no foundries & no factories, no semicon products
- no semicon products, no final products (GPU)
- no GPU, demand rises, so does prices
- prices go up, inflation starts
End it goes on...soon a war will start, it must to keep inflation at bay.
China is the biggest producer, importer & consumer of coal by far! they can import more if they want to, the world's not running out of coal anytime soon.

Yeah no they can also buy electricity, again if they want/need to.

Not happening! You do realize they can just limit electricity supplies to rural or less important areas & run these factories right? Foundries do not stop production for anyone, they simply cannot afford to! Try googling (India) load shedding :rolleyes:

Again these high end fabs will not stop for anyone! You need a near catastrophic failure, or unplanned(;)) power outage to stop them.

Yes that's already banning but mostly due to crypto.

Inflation isn't just because of these things, in fact this has less to do with inflation & more to do with greed.

War(?) okay maybe stop watching some fantasy films o_O
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#68
Vayra86
bugI was assuming there will be a limit to how many cryptocurrencies are willing to up with, but otherwise yes, a fair point.
Forever in Beta applies to crypto more than any application ever. When in doubt create abstraction layer
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#69
KLiKzg
R0H1TChina is the biggest producer, importer & consumer of coal by far! they can import more if they want to, the world's not running out of coal anytime soon.

Yeah no they can also buy electricity, again if they want/need to.

Not happening! You do realize they can just limit electricity supplies to rural or less important areas & run these factories right? Foundries do not stop production for anyone, they simply cannot afford to! Try googling (India) load shedding :rolleyes:

Again these high end fabs will not stop for anyone! You need a near catastrophic failure, or unplanned(;)) power outage to stop them.

Yes that's already banning but mostly due to crypto.

Inflation isn't just because of these things, in fact this has less to do with inflation & more to do with greed.

War(?) okay maybe stop watching some fantasy films o_O
Sometimes it is helpful to read.

BBC: www.bbc.com/news/business-58733193
NYT: www.nytimes.com/2021/09/27/business/economy/china-electricity.html
:cool:
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