Wednesday, September 21st 2022

EVGA Announces Cancelation of NVIDIA Next-gen Graphics Cards Plans, Officially Terminates NVIDIA Partnership

Towards the latter half of August, multiple EVGA employees involved in technical marketing and engineering had let us know privately that they were leaving the company for other ventures. When pushed further, several hinted towards some decisions being made by EVGA's management, including CEO Andrew Han, that would jeopardize their future. Some even went far enough to say they would share more in a few weeks time about how they felt exactly about their time there, the various issues that kept them from doing their best, and also that at least a couple of ex-employees were let go. TechPowerUp was doing due diligence in collecting the facts while keeping emotions aside from contacts who were understandably not in the best of moods, and one thing common across the board was there was something major coming up dealing with the EVGA GPU product line.

Today EVGA decided to throw a massive curve ball by formally announcing the company is canceling its plans to carry the next generation of graphics cards. Given EVGA's revenue sheets point to nearly 80% contribution from being an NVIDIA add-in card partner, this effectively also means an end to a long partnership with NVIDIA. The company's CEO confirmed as much to a few media channels citing poor margins and a challenging, stressful relationship that was no longer fruitful. There are no plans for EVGA to partner with AMD or Intel at this time when it comes to graphics cards and the company stressed they will continue to sell and support current-gen GPUs having retained enough units for RMA purposes too.
Jon Peddie Research also speculates EVGA is going to shift its priorities towards power supplies and motherboards instead that allow for higher margins and a more uniform, predictable sales pattern. Time will tell how EVGA, and indeed NVIDIA too who now has to re-distribute its GPU allocation among other partners and retail solutions, will come out of this split. It certainly does not seem to be an amicable one and we do not expect the partnership to resume anytime soon. This also affects companies who were no doubt planning on accessories for EVGA-branded GPUs, such as custom watercooling blocks from the usual suspects such as EKWB, Alphacool, and Bitspower.
What About Existing Customers
All existing owners of EVGA graphics cards will remain fully covered by warranties, including full replacements if needed. The company has withheld inventory of EVGA graphics cards from retailers (and will probably recall some perfectly-functional cards), so it has buffer stock to serve existing customers in need of total replacements or RMA.

What EVGA's Future Looks Like
EVGA CEO Andrew Han stated that the company has no plans as of now to partner with another GPU manufacturer like AMD or Intel, and the exit from the graphics card business will trigger an "imminent downsizing" of the company (to shed employees associated with the graphics card business). This could also be a subtle hint to AMD and Intel that if they're looking to work with EVGA, they should express interest right now.

Graphics cards made up over three-quarters of EVGA's revenue, and so we're not sure what the company could do next. If one were to speculate, the company could increase its presence in the prebuilt notebook and gaming peripherals businesses, and probably even ride the growth-cycle in the power-supply market with ATX 3.0 and PCIe Gen 5. Next-generation high-end graphics cards are expected to trigger upgrades among those with PSUs 4 years or older, as older PSUs, particularly mainstream ones, will find it hard to deal with the power excursions (spikes) of high-end PCIe Gen 5 graphics cards. The company could also retain its PCB engineering team to further develop its motherboard business. But all these are just speculation. Unless EVGA significantly invests in its other businesses, it's done.

How does this affect NVIDIA in the North American market?
EVGA was particularly popular in the North American market, among DIY PC enthusiasts. Other NVIDIA partners such as ASUS, could attempt to fill its void, but the distinct industrial design of EVGA will be lost, as would features such as iCX; and EVGA-exclusive customer programs such as trade-in upgrades. NVIDIA may also attempt to bring in new partners to the North American market to fill EVGA's void, such as GALAX (Galaxy), or Colorful, which are both major graphics card OEMs in the Chinese market. It will now fall on them to match the design and quality standards EVGA established. EVGA's exit will have minimal impact on NVIDIA's bottom-line, as those in the market for a GeForce graphics card will ultimately buy one from whichever brand.

NVIDIA's first reaction to this development is as follows:
"We've had a great partnership with EVGA over the years and will continue to support them on our current generation of products. We wish Andrew and our friends at EVGA all the best."
EVGA's full statement is as follows:
EVGA CEO Andrew HanEVGA has terminated its relationship with NVIDIA. EVGA will no longer be manufacturing video cards of any type, citing a souring relationship with NVIDIA as the cause (among other reasons that were minimized). EVGA will not be exploring relationships with AMD or Intel at this time, and the company will be downsizing imminently as it exits the video card market. Customers will still be covered by EVGA policies, but EVGA will no longer make RTX or other video cards. The company already made, 20 EVT samples of EVGA RTX 4090 FTW3 cards, but will not be moving to production and has killed all active projects pertaining to cards, including KINGPIN cards.
According to JPR, EVGA was the best-selling NVIDIA AIB in the US market, with a market-share of nearly 40%. NVIDIA would have lead its board partners to take its place.

Update Sep 21st: KINGPIN, a long time associate of EVGA, behind some of their fastest boutique graphics cards and motherboards, posted a note of gratitude for all the fans of EVGA + KINGPIN, and stated that KINGPIN Hardware may continue in some form.
I'm thankful for all the industry friends, old colleagues, etc. that reached out. It means a lot and I appreciate it. The news isn't received well ofc, and I'm mostly sorry for the fans and people that are passionate for our brand and everything that we have done here over the years at EVGA. If the KP hardware is meant to continue on in one way or another, I'm sure that it will :). The EVGA and PC hardware enthusiast community have been great to me and my teams here over the years, THANK YOU.
Update Sep 21st: Jensen Huang responded to a question about his thoughts on EVGA in a Q&A session today:
Jensen HuangYou know, Andrew (EVGA CEO) wanted to wind down the business, and he's wanted to do that for a couple of years. Andrew and EVGA were, are great partners and we're great partners, and I'm sad to see them leave the market. But, he's got other plans and he's been thinking about it for several years, so I guess that's about it. The market has a lot of great players and it will be served well after EVGA, but I'll always miss them, they were an important part of our history, Andrew is a great friend. I think that it was just time for him to go do something else."
Sources: Jon Peddie Research, Gamers Nexus, EVGA, Tae Kim (Twitter)
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536 Comments on EVGA Announces Cancelation of NVIDIA Next-gen Graphics Cards Plans, Officially Terminates NVIDIA Partnership

#226
Sybaris_Caesar
I think shrinking profit margins have been the biggest factor. GN video says Graphics Cards are 78% of their revenue but their 20% revenue PSU business brings 300% profit of the GPU one. That is insane.

Although one could argue that most of the expense on their GPU business could be overall R&D and stellar after-sales service they provide.
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#227
Dudebro-420
murrGuess they're going to stick with just doing power supplies and motherboards.
Yes that's what the article said.
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#228
Vayra86
Bomby569Can nvidia choose how much to pay Samsung for the chips? i'm sorry but your point makes no sense.

It's up to EVGA to decide if they can make a profit or not and how to manage their inventory, with the conditions it's dealt with.
They were invested in Nvidia only and ifyour only partner wont meet you in the middle you are stuck between rock and bricked gpu ;)

Its like your on demand subscription to Netflix. You started loving the service for its offerings, but suddenly you no longer pay 6 eur a month, but 8. And then they start pushing their own ads on top of it. And then they want 10 eur per month in 2023-24.

Funny how it all works the same in commerce eh
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#229
R-T-B
mechtechJust blame covid ;)
If covid was still a major factor that might work. Funny how you need facts on your side like that.
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#230
Hyderz
after watching steve's video, i recalled that EVGA was the first to limit the purchase of gpu from their website
with a ticketing system reply to email so that they could get GPUs to gamers insteads of scalpers or miners..

nvidia having stocks months ahead of its AIB and no information/specs given to AIB, snatching away with early sales
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#231
Bomby569
Vayra86They were invested in Nvidia only and ifyour only partner wont meet you in the middle you are stuck between rock and bricked gpu ;)

Its like your on demand subscription to Netflix. You started loving the service for its offerings, but suddenly you no longer pay 6 eur a month, but 8. And then they start pushing their own ads on top of it. And then they want 10 eur per month in 2023-24.

Funny how it all works the same in commerce eh
In businesses never trust no one, it way past a partnership, it was so poisoned that it caused this. They were too dependent on nvidia.
I think their CEO is playing on a different league from someone else, surely a good person, different for the better, the queue proved it. But this is businesses and everyone was playing high level chess, he was playing chutes and ladders. There are no friendships in business.
Everyone else that plays both sides seems to be better off.
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#232
Makaveli
MentalAcetylideDamn, wasn't expecting this. I'm really enjoying their Kingpin 3090 card & its cooling capability. Well, I'm guessing one of three things can happen.
#1. EVGA had something planned for a while now to mitigate this exiting of the GPU market and they will succeed if they play their cards(no pun intended) right.
#2. EVGA will steadily decline into mediocrity, like 3DFX(remember their voodoo cards?), and be bought out by someone else or dissipate into nothingness.
#3. Their CEO is making a big mistake & ends up getting replaced because of unhappy shareholders in the company?

Personally, I think they're making a big mistake doing this right now and their employees are going to end up getting the crappy end of the stick. They like to say they're going to take care of their employees, but that's usually corporate talk meaning they will give them a piece of candy on the way through the door of unemployment. :shadedshu:
#3

EVGA is a private company not public and Andrew Han is the founder and CEO there will be no share holders voting him out.

And to be honest I would never make my company public just for this reason. I have full control not board members when I founded the company.

Things like this are shedding a light on the type of company NV is and the same reason Microsoft ditched them yet so many people blindy follow...
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#235
damric
I guess I don't feel sorry for them. I was on the waiting list since day one and never got an email saying it was my turn to try and get a card. Now that the fruit is rotten they email me at least twice a day trying to sell me that rotten stock. Maybe AIBs shouldn't have prioritized bulk miner sales. AIBs to me feel dirty, like car dealerships. Oh and my wife just had to get her bank to authorize a chargeback for a new EVGA PSU that was DOA that they would not RMA. If EVGA gets into the graphics card game again, I advise them to use better components like capacitors instead of inflating the price with RGB crap.

Anyways, since my Uncle Pat has never messaged me back, even when my dad broke his hip last year, I figure I'd make him into a meme for you.



My dad talks with his hands like that too. I think it's a Gelsinger thing.
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#236
Makaveli
AusWolfA little something to remember Evga cards by...

I also have something used as a dedicated Physx card in my i7-970 7970Ghz + GTX650 superclocked

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#237
pavle
Interesting, but not so surprising; nvidia has been toxic to their customers way too many times throughout the years and no wonder - to their partners too.
nvidia seems to be going the 3dfx way slowly, but surely. Perhaps we shall see the day they close down in shame, like 3dfx did. Rejoice for eVGA for having the character to end being intoxicated.
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#238
erek
pavleInteresting, but not so surprising; nvidia has been toxic to their customers way too many times throughout the years and no wonder - to their partners too.
nvidia seems to be going the 3dfx way slowly, but surely. Perhaps we shall see the day they close down in shame, like 3dfx did. Rejoice for eVGA for having the character to end being intoxicated.
Aren’t nvidia making a killing in their dedicated data center and enterprise AI acceleration and supercomputing stacks though? Seems they’re less interested in enthusiasts and consumers gaming
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#239
freeagent
pavlenvidia seems to be going the 3dfx way slowly, but surely
That’s because Nvidia is 3dfx :D
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#240
AsRock
TPU addict
Good on them, i hope they make it work out.
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#241
Unregistered
Oh baby, my GTX 980 KPE just lifted easily 400$ in value!!

Thank you EVGA!!!
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#242
Dr. Dro
ShrimpBrimeOh baby, my GTX 980 KPE just lifted easily 400$ in value!!

Thank you EVGA!!!
LOL, you wish. Great card though. Mine did 1550 MHz on air, I loved it. Shame I had to sell it.
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#243
Unregistered
Dr. DroLOL, you wish. Great card though. Mine did 1550 MHz on air, I loved it. Shame I had to sell it.
XD, of course I wish!!! man can dream can't he??!!!

I'm in the process of modifying mine. In fact that's why I'm logged in right now.
www.techpowerup.com/download/bios-modding/

:lovetpu:
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#244
defaultluser
well sure, higher margins

but where's that 80% loss in total revenue going to come from? its not like Gamestop's being anywhere near ve stupid( and closing all retail stores tomorrow!)

wouldn't it make a lot more sense here to cut low-end cards until the market recovers (its what they already do for their tiny mobo market?)
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#245
maxfly
erekAren’t nvidia making a killing in their dedicated data center and enterprise AI acceleration and supercomputing stacks though? Seems they’re less interested in enthusiasts and consumers gaming
Not quite as well since Tesla and GM pulled out and decided to roll their own.
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#246
Vayra86
Bomby569In businesses never trust no one, it way past a partnership, it was so poisoned that it caused this. They were too dependent on nvidia.
I think their CEO is playing on a different league from someone else, surely a good person, different for the better, the queue proved it. But this is businesses and everyone was playing high level chess, he was playing chutes and ladders. There are no friendships in business.
Everyone else that plays both sides seems to be better off.
Was the partnership poisoned then? We don't know that.
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#247
TheoneandonlyMrK
Bomby569In businesses never trust no one, it way past a partnership, it was so poisoned that it caused this. They were too dependent on nvidia.
I think their CEO is playing on a different league from someone else, surely a good person, different for the better, the queue proved it. But this is businesses and everyone was playing high level chess, he was playing chutes and ladders. There are no friendships in business.
Everyone else that plays both sides seems to be better off.
Read some shit in my time, now Evga should have diversified, what into motherboard, PSU , keyboards and mice, they have.
AMD cards they couldn't do because Huang said so.

Oh and Nvidia bought the chips, do you think they sold them on at cost, of f£##ng course not.

They had ample lead time, and a BOM cost advantage And set the price on a whim, Ass hattery.
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#248
efikkan
I'm sad to see one less participant in the AIB market.

But regarding their quality, it has not been the best in recent generations;
- 1070/1080 (and more?) had thermal pads without contact with the cooler. This is a major design flaw which wasn't noticed until large quantities of cards were shipped. This means their cards didn't get even basic QA before mass production. This was a big red flag for me, and was the time I stopped recommending EVGA.
- Their 2080 Ti cards had design flaws which lead to very large amounts of RMAs.
- I believe their RMA rates have been high with RTX 3000 series too, but haven't looked into why.
When expensive models get high RMA rates, especially ones which can't be compensated by Nvidia, it quickly cuts into their profit margins.
TheinsanegamerNIt smells awfully fishy. One of the big complaints is "the complexity of modern GPUs" which is RICH coming from the guy who greenlit the K|ingp|n lineup. And you could just.....not make the 4090/4080? And he cant make any money? Wouldnt we have heard about this from smaller AIBs by now?
The margins for AIBs on base models are very tiny, but for the premium ones they are very good. EVGA is known for selling large volumes premium versions of their high-end models, and considering two years of record sales, there is no reason why they shouldn't make good money, if they made solid products.
Chrispy_80% of their REVENUE made one third of their profit.

Do the math; That's pretty damning against Nvidia.
That's probably because their peripherals and PSUs are just white label products, right?
With decent brand recognition, those are "easy money" with little risk and development cost. The downside of such products are they add little value to the market, and eventuelly their brand recognition is likely going to fade.

I do hope they end up making AMD or Intel graphics cards, or if this is some kind of power play, get better terms with Nvidia.

And for clarity, I'm not picking sides here.
Dr. DroMLID is a fool and no one should take him seriously. I used to hang out in an AMD fan discord where a member straight up fabricated the SKU list for Zen 2 CPUs and he posted it verbatim back in the day. It was hilarious. Treat anything that comes out of rumor mill channels as rumors and with massive doses of salt.
Him and many other similar channels have been busted countless times for just reciting random speculation from forums/Reddit/etc. and claiming they have inside sources. Massive amounts of salt is irrelevant, they should be ignored once you catch them lying. They make their business lying to people, so you shouldn't trust anything they say.
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#249
lexluthermiester
R0H1Tthey can't, this is assuming Intel continues with their GPU sojourn.
And they're going to. AMD and NVidia are quickly going to have what they haven't had in over 15years, serious competition other than each other. Nvidia needs to pull their head out of their butt and play nice with their AIB's.
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#250
Ferrum Master
You really think nvidia cares for gaming anymore as such?

Compute, datacenters, AI assist...

The crypto affair hiking using GPU targeted for us mere mortals was a lucky income accident for them.
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