Sunday, October 30th 2022
Intel's Next-Gen Desktop Platform Intros Socket LGA1851, "Meteor Lake-S" to Feature 6P+16E Core Counts
Keeping up with the cadence of two generations of desktop processors per socket, Intel will turn the page of the current LGA1700, with the introduction of the new Socket LGA1851. The processor package will likely have the same dimensions as LGA1700, and the two sockets may share cooler compatibility. The first processor microarchitecture to debut on LGA1851 will be the 14th Gen Core "Meteor Lake-S." These chips will feature a generationally lower CPU core-count compared to "Raptor Lake," but significantly bump the IPC on both the P-cores and E-cores.
"Raptor Lake" is Intel's final monolithic silicon client processor before the company pivots to chiplets built on various foundry nodes, as part of its IDM 2.0 strategy. The client-desktop version of "Meteor Lake," dubbed "Meteor Lake-S," will have a maximum CPU core configuration of 6P+16E (that's 6 performance cores with 16 efficiency cores). The chip has 6 "Redwood Cove" P-cores, and 16 "Crestmont" E-cores. Both of these are expected to receive IPC uplifts, such that the processor will end up faster (and hopefully more efficient) than the top "Raptor Lake-S" part. Particularly, it should be able to overcome the deficit of 2 P-cores.
Intel could find itself with a similar product differentiation problem it faced with the 11th Gen Core "Rocket Lake-S" desktop processors, where the physically low CPU core-count compared to the previous-generation (8-core vs. 10-core for "Comet Lake-S"); meant that both the Core i7-11700K and i9-11900K ended up being 8-core/16-thread processors. Here, we could see 6P+16E being the core-config of nearly all top SKUs, segmented by clock-speeds; while the mid-tier SKUs end up being 6P+8E.
Besides the CPU, "Meteor Lake-S" is expected to debut the new Xe-LPG graphics architecture for the iGPU, which could meet DirectX 12 Ultimate logo requirements. The iGPU on the "Meteor Lake-S" processor is expected to feature 4 Xe Cores, which works out to 64 EUs, and 512 unified shaders. This would still be a significant uplift from the iGPU of "Raptor Lake-S" with 32 EUs.
Intel is expected to restore CPU core-counts back to current levels with the 15th Gen "Arrow Lake-S" (2024-25). These chips are expected to come with core-configurations of up to 8P+16E. While the E-cores are expected to remain the same, the P-cores get a performance uplift, besides the addition of more cores. The "Compute Tile" (the die with the CPU cores) of "Meteor Lake-S" is built on the Intel 4 node (isopower characteristics comparable to TSMC 5 nm); while those of "Arrow Lake-S" will be built on the Intel 20A node (Intel is hyping 20A to be a pathbreaking node competitive with TSMC's sub 2 nm nodes).
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Wccftech
"Raptor Lake" is Intel's final monolithic silicon client processor before the company pivots to chiplets built on various foundry nodes, as part of its IDM 2.0 strategy. The client-desktop version of "Meteor Lake," dubbed "Meteor Lake-S," will have a maximum CPU core configuration of 6P+16E (that's 6 performance cores with 16 efficiency cores). The chip has 6 "Redwood Cove" P-cores, and 16 "Crestmont" E-cores. Both of these are expected to receive IPC uplifts, such that the processor will end up faster (and hopefully more efficient) than the top "Raptor Lake-S" part. Particularly, it should be able to overcome the deficit of 2 P-cores.
Besides the CPU, "Meteor Lake-S" is expected to debut the new Xe-LPG graphics architecture for the iGPU, which could meet DirectX 12 Ultimate logo requirements. The iGPU on the "Meteor Lake-S" processor is expected to feature 4 Xe Cores, which works out to 64 EUs, and 512 unified shaders. This would still be a significant uplift from the iGPU of "Raptor Lake-S" with 32 EUs.
Intel is expected to restore CPU core-counts back to current levels with the 15th Gen "Arrow Lake-S" (2024-25). These chips are expected to come with core-configurations of up to 8P+16E. While the E-cores are expected to remain the same, the P-cores get a performance uplift, besides the addition of more cores. The "Compute Tile" (the die with the CPU cores) of "Meteor Lake-S" is built on the Intel 4 node (isopower characteristics comparable to TSMC 5 nm); while those of "Arrow Lake-S" will be built on the Intel 20A node (Intel is hyping 20A to be a pathbreaking node competitive with TSMC's sub 2 nm nodes).
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Just the sort of people I'd expect from this forum I guess
Now Intel is trying to do the same with stinky E-cores, were "E" stands for "Efficiency" only for Intel, but Not for consumer.
AMD didn't cave in due to pressure, they literally just went backwards on an elaborate lie they had convinced even the tech media of (because the 16 MB BIOS was never a problem, mind you - motherboards such as the one I had, the Crosshair VI Hero and its Extreme sibling) had something like half of the BIOS padded out with space to spare, and they never lost a single function throughout all of this) just because Alder Lake offered people a much better deal that they had priced themselves out of market. Even more proof of it is that these same motherboards are now running Zen 3 and 3D chips happily and without any other issue that their 400 and 500 series equivalents don't have as well. In fact, you do realize that the X370 and the X470 are 1:1 identical, and the B550 is also based on the same Promontory chip, right?
The Core i5-12400F went toe-to-toe with Ryzen 5 5600X at half the price, that is why AMD relented on their refusal to keep their forwards-compatibility promise as if they hadn't been implying the boards weren't worthy for nearly a year in the interim. It wasn't because they were pressured or because they're nice. Ironically, the same reasoning tech media picked up for not condemning AMD on their decision to cut the X370 chipset off is that anyone who's buying such a new processor should buy a new motherboard too, because that's the precedent that Intel had set.
No matter how you want to spin this on Intel, ultimately they are not in the wrong for refusing to make promises of forwards compatibility and long-lived sockets, Intel didn't hold AMD at gunpoint to make that claim - which I agree that from a consumer and environmental standpoint is excellent but from a business standpoint, no one was happy, and they sure let us know about it. It more than likely also has something to do with the initial batch of AM5 motherboards being priced to the moon, the same promise was made again for the AM5 socket but this time they sure are charging for that privilege.
As for AMDUnboxed, they have been vocally pro-AMD, anti-Intel/anti-NVIDIA for at least five years now. It's rare to see/hear them praise anything made by these two companies while they turn a blind eye to anything unsightly which AMD does. Their last DLSS 3.0 video? "The tech is total crap". What unbiased people say? It's really great and the increased latency is very hard to notice.
What's funny is how they panned DLSS 2.0 first but then once FSR 2.0 was released, AMDUnboxed suddenly stopped being overly critical of DLSS 2.0. When AMD releases FSR 3.0 somewhere in the end of 2023 (they've just started working on it because DLSS 3.0 caught them by surprise), I'm sure DLSS 3.0 will be reconsidered.
Most of their polls on Twitter/YouTube in terms of choosing something? Any AMD product over anything made by Intel/NVIDIA by the widest possible margin.
You think I'm fanboyish and parrot something because I'm anti-AMD? Well, f* it, I have Ryzen 7 5800X in my case. My next GPU will be made by AMD because NVIDIA has seemingly lost their mind with the GTX 40 series pricing and power consumption. I'm not buying RTX 4060 Ti at ~220W for ~$450. Jensen should go f- himself if he thinks I have any brand loyalty or I care about DLSS 3.0. I care about my wallet and my PC power consumption.
It will take some time for me to have money for a new graphics card (I've decided to prioritize a few other things in the interim), but I am also heavily leaning towards the 7900 XTX right now. I could get it without having to sell my 3090, and that's excellent for me. If my guesses of 90 to 110%+ of 4090's performance at 70% of the power come around, this GPU will be a champion to rival Evergreen (the DX11 pioneer), if they manage to keep on top of their driver game. Which I am fully confident in right now, the Radeon team rocks.
I dont like amd myself, and new AM5 socket is garbage in many ways. But I switched to zen3, coz Intel is worse (Yesterday I was not able to download a basic driver for Z87 chipset, not even archive). And this is sad, since we have only 2 x86 cpus vendors on market.
Also I must admit, that their ryzen 2600 was a big life saver for me in 2018, so I still have warm feelings for amd, for now... and reading news about Intel, I think, I will keep that way. (this is why some people defend amd, despite amd probably no better than intel)
In short: some people likes amd because of intel. And ofc amd will try to use that, by covering their "we did it for money" with "we did it for u, consumers", and playing "consumer friendlier than intel" game.
The guys that bought Zen 2 Threadrippers received no generational upgrades as Zen 3 for TRX4 was canceled so AMD could sell them to the server channel instead.
I won't give laurels to this platform, it was extremely buggy throughout its entire service life due to the poor quality of the AGESA code, and even its latest (and potentially last) release basically butchers high end CPU performance due to the aforementioned bug.
Alright, so AMD did pull a Intel hahaah
I don't think Zen 3 for TRX40 will ever release at this point considered mainstream socket Zen 4 already came out, it'd be a terrible value proposition.
I upgraded from a r5 2400g and 8gb ram in 2018 to a r9 5900x and 32 gb ram in 2021. wtf bro? you have lost objectivity, before i used to see much more compeling posts from you, don't know if i am talking about somebody else.
PS "What are you smoking?" is an insult.There is over a billion x86 PCs in the world, I'm not even counting laptops. Do your napkin math and even my 0.5% estimate will suddenly look too generous. AMD fans of course have their own world view, I'll give you that.Bullshit if you believe people care about [minimal] CPU [performance] upgrades, follow CPU or motherboard generations, or even read tech news websites or CPU reviews. Absolute most go to the store and buy a prebuilt PC. Organizations who own literally hundreds of millions of PCs? Those serve until they die or become unusable.
It makes sense to realize that your "superior" knowledge of PC components is BS in the grand scheme of things but I didn't expect anything else from devoted AMD fans.First, install a spell checker, then for sources, find the ones which talk about Windows 10 having over 1 billion installations and oh boy people continued to run other versions of Windows at the time when Microsoft announced the said number of W10 PCs.
I won't argue with you any more. I don't ****ing care about purely anecdotal evidence and people who believe in myths, perpetuate them and lie through their teeth saying the entire world revolves around CPU upgrades. Actually I'll go ahead and BL both of you as well. I'm not ****ing crazy, that lame attempt to insult me "? :kookoo:" is not funny. Too tired of fanatics no matter what they pray to. Your religion must be AMD, cool. It instantly makes you a lesser man because rational, truly intelligent people can't have idols. That goes against intelligence. No one is infallible. Everyone and everything needs to prove its worth. Being a fan of a company? That can be considered retarded. Absolute most companies care about their shareholders a lot more than about their customers. Goodbye.
AFAIK there have been polls for CPU upgrades even here among enthusiasts on TPU forums with quite appalling for CPU upgrade fans numbers. You can run them again and see your beliefs dispelled.
Now if they fix the EDC bug... sounding like a broken record about it already, I think AM4 can finally be called "done and polished". Only took 'em more than half a decade, when and if they fix it...
If you pay a company to build your entire PC thus easier and safe as you mentioned, you can ask the company to replace your CPU and it will be also cheaper.
Otherwise you have to put everything together so might as well replace only CPU.That it a bullshit bro.
Anyway obviously when intel just released 3% performance increaces per generation everyone just changed the whole thing (i went from a core 2 duo 7200 to a i5 2500k and then for 6 generations intel did nothing so i kept my cpu.). But since ryzen that has changed, you could perfectly buy a first gen like i did and then upgrade big way to a latest gen top end. I give you that only peole who know how to change a cpu and upgrade bios would do that, one could also ask for help from a person who knows.
I know five people who updated Am4 CPU on same mobo and I did it three times so I win, more anecdotal data points!? .
What you don't see worth in, others do.
And IMHO only the bluest of noses continually pulls out the AMD fan card, you should realise that instantly labels you a blue nose in some eye's.
And is a weak as shit argument point deserving derision.
I don't think it's only 0.5% of people, but I do believe the vast majority of customers purchase an OEM pre-built and do not change a single thing in the device through its service life. Not so much in the DIY channel.