with that price and the generational leap, it should have to be around 3080 to be feasible. That's what we always had until now. I feel like nvidia is doing the bare minimum and it sucks.

do you remember when the 1060 was on par with the 980? I do, and that's why these new cards suck in terms of value

An RTX 4060 TI for 400 dollars, i'll take !! so i think i have to wait a little bit.

I'll wait till an RTX 8030 beats a 4090 @ 75 Watts.... :D

P4-630I'll wait till an RTX 8030 beats a 4090 @ 75 Watts.... :D

8030 will need a 1k psu.
75w dude, doesn't power a barbie doll

$400 is rather acceptable, if true. However, if 4060 is $400 while 4080 is $1,200, there's a pretty wide space to be covered just by the 4070.

Edit: Also, that's almost a full year of milking the 4090 and 4080.

bug$400 is rather acceptable, if true. However, if 4060 is $400 while 4080 is $1,200, there's a pretty wide space to be covered just by the 4070.

Oh I'm sure they will cover it.....

4060 Ti, 4060 Super, 4060 Super Duper, 4060 Super Duper(No really, it's great edition) + 2gb more Vram etc.....

Just let it be a 192bit\12GB memory and it might be my next GPU.

LifeOnMarsOh I'm sure they will cover it.....

4060 Ti, 4060 Super, 4060 Super Duper, 4060 Super Duper(No really, it's great edition) + 2gb more Vram etc.....

There will be 4070 and possibly 4060Ti and 4070Ti (Q4'23/Q1'24). But it still looks like a lot of ground to be covered.

LifeOnMarsOh I'm sure they will cover it.....

4060 Ti, 4060 Super, 4060 Super Duper, 4060 Super Duper(No really, it's great edition) + 2gb more Vram etc.....

Dont forget the 4060 se and 4060 se plus. And all the 3070.

Yeah nah I will be fine with my 3060 Ti for a good while, also a brand new 3060 Ti thats not the worst model still starts around 575 $ where I live so this will be even worse. 'I got mine from the second hand market for ~420 $ ~2 months ago with 1 year warranty left on it'

I'll be surprised if it comes in at lower than $600

Considering we wait 2 years and not one as in the past, for the next series of cards, going from 3060 performance to 3070, with also a price increase is not really something great.
And in fact we shouldn't be comparing with 3060. We have 3060 Ti price, so we should be comparing with that card, not 3060 based just on names. Naming is irrelevant those last years. The 4080 12GB that will be renamed to 3070 Ti proved that. The RTX 4080 costing $500 more than RTX 3080, also proved that. So, we should be looking at performance based on price.

Now, let's see Nvidia's business model from now and on.
"The more you buy, the more you save".

At $1500 price point.
3090 vs 4090.
$100 price increase, from $1500 to $1600, so a new higher price point, 56% more performance.

At $1200 price point.
3080 ti vs 4080.
Same price, 26% more performance.


At $400 price point
3060 ti vs hypothetical 4060 at 3070 performance.
Same price, just 17% more performance.


What we see is that the higher we go, the higher is the performance gap between old model at the same price vs new model at the same price. That being said, if Nvidia comes out with a model at $700, the original MSRP for the RTX 3080, we should expect that model to be around 22% faster. On the other hand we should expect RTX 4050, if it costs $329, to be around 12-15% faster than the RTX 3060. And in case we see an RTX 4040 for example at $250, the price of RTX 3050, probably we should expect single digit if any performance increase. Anything lower than $200, will be faster (I hope) compared to GTX 1630, but probably an insult to gamers compared to other cards, like RX 580 for example or GTX 1650 Super.

btarunrWhat's interesting is if NVIDIA is expected to extend the DLSS 3 frame-generation feature to even this segment of graphics cards, which means a near-100% frame rate uplift can be had.

That's why they are not offering DLSS 3 to RTX 3000 series cards. Because marketing material will be promising "near-100% frame rate uplift", when in fact the real difference will be less than 20% in the same price.

I would expect the 4060 to at least match the 3070 at around the price of the 3060. That's how this thing has worked in the past.

The price will probably be the issue. The 3060 MSRP was $329. Based on what we're seeing with the 4080 I don't think there is a snowball's chance in hell of seeing a 4060 with a MSRP anywhere close to the 3060. Especially if the 4080 sells well anyway which it probably will.

Summer 2023 :laugh:

john_Considering we wait 2 years and not one as in the past, for the next series of cards, going from 3060 performance to 3070, with also a price increase is not really something great.
And in fact we shouldn't be comparing with 3060. We have 3060 Ti price, so we should be comparing with that card, not 3060 based just on names. Naming is irrelevant those last years. The 4080 12GB that will be renamed to 3070 Ti proved that. The RTX 4080 costing $500 more than RTX 3080, also proved that. So, we should be looking at performance based on price.

Now, let's see Nvidia's business model from now and on.
"The more you buy, the more you save".

At $1500 price point.
3090 vs 4090.
$100 price increase, from $1500 to $1600, so a new higher price point, 56% more performance.

At $1200 price point.
3080 ti vs 4080.
Same price, 26% more performance.


At $400 price point
3060 ti vs hypothetical 4060 at 3070 performance.
Same price, just 17% more performance.


What we see is that the higher we go, the higher is the performance gap between old model at the same price vs new model at the same price. That being said, if Nvidia comes out with a model at $700, the original MSRP for the RTX 3080, we should expect that model to be around 22% faster. On the other hand we should expect RTX 4050, if it costs $329, to be around 12-15% faster than the RTX 3060. And in case we see an RTX 4040 for example at $250, the price of RTX 3050, probably we should expect single digit if any performance increase. Anything lower than $200, will be faster (I hope) compared to GTX 1630, but probably an insult to gamers compared to other cards, like RX 580 for example or GTX 1650 Super.


That's why they are not offering DLSS 3 to RTX 3000 series cards. Because marketing material will be promising "near-100% frame rate uplift", when in fact the real difference will be less than 20% in the same price.

I agree....this hypothetical 4060 immediately struck me as a terrible value, so I'm confused as to why some people think it's a good value.

I'll believe it when I see it. A sub-200 W card with the performance of the 3070 sounds nice. Too nice.

Also, pricing is a bit aggressive, as usual. For 399 USD, you can get a 6750 XT right now, which gives about the same performance.

Also also, I'm sure this 4060 will be a partially disabled GPU, with the fully enabled version coming as the Ti variant half a year later to keep the hype train going.

I wonder how fast they can make a 128-bit card, or if a xx60/ti class card will use a further cut AD104.

I really want AMD to be strong in these segments too, the high end is fun and all but it's be nice to get some gen on gen price top perf improvements in the ~200-500 range too

wolfI wonder how fast they can make a 128-bit card, or if a xx60/ti class card will use a further cut AD104.

I really want AMD to be strong in these segments too, the high end is fun and all but it's be nice to get some gen on gen price top perf improvements in the ~200-500 range too

AMD is strong and cheaper under $600 and people still buy Nvidia cards that sell over MSRP.
So....

Summer... what the fuck.

Might as well get myself a 3070 this year then.

This product line is an unmitigated disaster.

Dr. DroThis product line is an unmitigated disaster.

What product line? There's only 4080 and 4090 so far. Both priced disastrously imho (and in market's opinion, judging by the latest financials), but together they're hardly a proper lineup.

TheDeeGeeSummer... what the fuck.

Might as well get myself a 3070 this year then.

Probably based on what we are seeing.

I'm not sure how the MSRP of the 3060 Ti slipped into this discussion. The title says 4060 so we should compare the MSRP of the 4060 against the 3060. When the 4060 Ti drops is the time to compare that to the price of the 3060 Ti. In any case it looks like this generation is going to be way overpriced anyway.

bugWhat product line? There's only 4080 and 4090 so far. Both priced disastrously imho (and in market's opinion, judging by the latest financials), but together they're hardly a proper lineup.

The high prices of the two upper-end cards are what gives the ceiling for the lower-end models. RTX 4090 is extremely overpriced and still has about 12.5% of the processor disabled, which means they can push the total ceiling even further.

Relative to full AD102, if I remember correctly, the cancelled 4080-12GB was at around 40% of the total performance, and they still intended to sell these at $900. At $400 MSRP, you can expect the upper-end AIB models to run you at up to $700 easily, at which point you're better off buying an RTX 3080 today.

NVIDIA wants to be like Apple, but Apple does something NVIDIA doesn't - they care for their earlier products and stand behind them.

Dr. DroThe high prices of the two upper-end cards are what gives the ceiling for the lower-end models. RTX 4090 is extremely overpriced and still has about 12.5% of the processor disabled, which means they can push the total ceiling even further.

Relative to full AD102, if I remember correctly, the cancelled 4080-12GB was at around 40% of the total performance, and they still intended to sell these at $900. At $400 MSRP, you can expect the upper-end AIB models to run you at up to $700 easily, at which point you're better off buying an RTX 3080 today.

NVIDIA wants to be like Apple, but Apple does something NVIDIA doesn't - they care for their earlier products and stand behind them.

Except when they don't (Batterygate).

I think buying a 3070 or a 6700 XT today is a much better value than waiting half a year for a card with a similar performance and MSRP.