kondaminIs this for the gen 14 mobile parts entering the market in a couple of months?
seems a bit fast no?

kondaminIs this for the gen 14 mobile parts entering the market in a couple of months?
seems a bit fast no?

TristanXSo, Intel built whole high-volume fab only to produce small compute tiles (70 sqmm each) ? Hard to believe, as capacity is much bigger to handle such demand. They will probably release also MTL-S with bigger compute tile

TristanXSo, Intel built whole high-volume fab only to produce small compute tiles (70 sqmm each) ? Hard to believe, as capacity is much bigger to handle such demand. They will probably release also MTL-S with bigger compute tile

DavenReading this will answer your question.

www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-meteor-lake-technical-deep-dive/

kondaminThey are still doing the whole (generation)(class)(productnumber) thing while it’s a totally Different chip for mobile than it is desktop

all they dumped is the I moniker.

pressing onArrow Lake is scheduled for the desktop in 2024. It should be similar to Meteor Lake, probably with a larger computer tile to allow 8 P cores, but will keep Low Power E-cores? It will have a Neural Processing Unit for sure. Intel may refer to both Meteor Lake and Arrow Lake as Series 1 now that the gen naming has been dropped.

hs4Arrow lake compute tiles can grow smaller albeit with more cores. Although the scaling of Intel 20A has not been announced, it is thought that the density will increase because the fins that were arranged horizontally will be stacked vertically, and the metal layers will be devided into frontside-backside and they also be stacked vertically with PowerVIA.

OneRaichu said that the SoC tiles are common or very similar between MTL and ARL, so the LP-E core will remain Crestmont, even though ARL's compute tile will use Skymont. There is. (It seems that the LP-E core will also be Skymont in LNL)

SquaredIf the LP-E is Crestmont, then Crestmont's ISA will be the ISA of Arrow Lake. So no new instructions, no AVX10 (unless Crestmont already has it). That has the potential to be a disappointment.

I also am a little skeptical though. Meteor Lake is built with Intel 4 for the compute tile and TSMC N6 for the SoC tile and its LP-E cores. Despite N6 being an older node it should be perfectly fine next to Intel 4 because it's a density-optimized node and Intel 4 is frequency-optimized. But if the compute tile is upgraded to Intel 20A complete with newer cores, then Crestmont on N6 is also going to start to look bad for battery life.

hs4According to the Intel's ISA Reference Guide,
1. Arrow lake has two different CPUID: 06_C5H & 06_C6H.
2. 06_C6H is described as "Arrow lake-S".
3. Both supports ISA supported by Sierra Forest except Xeon-mandatory instructions.
4. Some instructions are only supported by "Arrow lake-S" 06_C6H and Lunar lake.

The most likely scenario is that ARL-H shares a SoC tile with MTL-H, resulting in smaller supported instructions, and ARL-S and LNL-M create new SoC tiles, which use Skymont as the LP-E core. I think it will be installed.

SquaredThanks for explaining. So desktop chips will get a new SoC tile and mobile will reuse the one from Meteor Lake. It sounds like a little bit of a bummer on mobile, but probably not a big deal. The average mobile user probably wouldn't benefit from the new instructions, and while I did also mention a battery life concern, Meteor Lake is supposed to have great battery life so using its SoC should be alright.