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Why do companies make such stupid naming decisions?

Why cant mobile and all desktop chips be in the same series?

Now it seems Zen 4 desktop models are 7000. Some chips including desktop APU's are supposedly 8000 series and now Zen 5 is 9000 series?
They fail to understand that if they use these numbers up too quickly it will lead to the Intel mess with 5 digit numbers and nonsensical mess.

And yea i get that it's just a number and the performance and price are what matters, but is it too much to ask for clear names?

Reading that I had a flashback with manufacturers naming their PCs 466 or 433, meaning they were running a 486@66MHz or 486@33MHz, respectively. Many people thought they were getting some special processor back then...

I hope they don't skip the 8xxx series, they'll end up reaching 1xxxx and decide to change the name of Ryzen to something else stupid like Intel did.

Here we go, AMD Hyper.

Or maybe it's a stupid typo

DimitrimanOr maybe it's a stupid typo

If it's genuine at all. I could make a flyer about Ryzen 9000 in maybe 30 minutes. Maybe throw in Intel 17th gen for good measure.

AMD obviously wants their next-gen CPUs over 9000.
You always want to be over that figure, not under it.

The 14900K defeated even the 7950X3D significantly at the end of the day. If AMD lose any more within the next 2 years, they are going on the path of bankruptcy, failure, & collapse. And if anyone complains about a monopoly, remember that even the long term competition has to have a winner and in the tech market, its winner takes all. How could anyone try to be the "unbiased" guy about this when it comes to this competition? From what we have seen in the competition, siding with the winner is more objective than ever. Tell me, when it comes to a race in a forest between 2 people where the winner always wins, why would you side with the loser, for his demand to relieve his emotions & self esteem? Don't make me laugh.

TomorrowWhy do companies make such stupid naming decisions?

Why cant mobile and all desktop chips be in the same series?

Now it seems Zen 4 desktop models are 7000. Some chips including desktop APU's are supposedly 8000 series and now Zen 5 is 9000 series?
They fail to understand that if they use these numbers up too quickly it will lead to the Intel mess with 5 digit numbers and nonsensical mess.

And yea i get that it's just a number and the performance and price are what matters, but is it too much to ask for clear names?

They started the separation after Ryzen 3000 series, IIRC. 4000 became mobile, 5000 was desktop, 6000 was mobile, 7000 is desktop, etc.

If I'm not misremembering, the reason was that it simply came down to having too many sub-variants to cleanly denote all the various mobile variants they had planned.

Although it's worth mentioning that AMD actually already sorted this out with 1st Gen Ryzen, but still chose to split them up to dumb it down.

SJZL 2.0The 14900K defeated even the 7950X3D significantly at the end of the day.

It certainly did...in power consumption at least. Even in CB2024 it beats 7950X by less than 100 points in MT and about 10 points in ST at 100W more power.
In games it's about 15fps ahead but gets easily beaten by both X3D variants. 7800X3D even consumes 200W less power (whole system, individually the gap is even bigger).

SJZL 2.0If AMD lose any more within the next 2 years, they are going on the path of bankruptcy, failure, & collapse.

Speaking of losing...Intel is the one who will have a tough year. All they have is 14th gen refresh against Zen 4 now and Zen 5 for at least half of next year. That is assuming 15th gen or whatever they end calling Arrow Lake even launches at the end of 2024 like they indicate.
And the "AMD bankrupt" talk belongs in 2016. These days they are doing very well and are not going anywhere. It is Intel who is in trouble - constants downsizing and selling off non-core business parts.

SJZL 2.0And if anyone complains about a monopoly, remember that even the long term competition has to have a winner and in the tech market, its winner takes all.

Wrong. Right now there is no outright winner and it's great. And the winner does not take all.

SJZL 2.0How could anyone try to be the "unbiased" guy about this when it comes to this competition?

No one is unbiased. Not you with your Intel fanboysm and not me. Unbiased tech person or reviewer is one of those great myths like Bigfoot or Griffin.

SJZL 2.0From what we have seen in the competition, siding with the winner is more objective than ever.

What winner? The one who got dumped by Apple and has to sell off parts of it's business to stay profitable? The one who can compete at the expense or much higher power consumption? The one who constantly over promises and under delivers?

SJZL 2.0Tell me, when it comes to a race where the winner always wins, why would you side with the loser, for his demand to relieve his emotions & self esteem? Don't make me laugh.

Don't make me laugh with your "unbiased" comments about "winners".

TomorrowIt certainly did...in power consumption at least. Even in CB2024 it beats 7950X by less than 100 points in MT and about 10 points in ST at 100W more power.
In games it's about 15fps ahead but gets easily beaten by both X3D variants. 7800X3D even consumes 200W less power (whole system, individually the gap is even bigger).

Speaking of losing...Intel is the one who will have a tough year. All they have is 14th gen refresh against Zen 4 now and Zen 5 for at least half of next year. That is assuming 15th gen or whatever they end calling Arrow Lake even launches at the end of 2024 like they indicate.
And the "AMD bankrupt" talk belongs in 2016. These days they are doing very well and are not going anywhere. It is Intel who is in trouble - constants downsizing and selling off non-core business parts.

Wrong. Right now there is no outright winner and it's great. And the winner does not take all.

No one is unbiased. Not you with your Intel fanboysm and not me. Unbiased tech person or reviewer is one of those great myths like Bigfoot or Griffin.

What winner? The one who got dumped by Apple and has to sell off parts of it's business to stay profitable? The one who can compete at the expense or much higher power consumption? The one who constantly over promises and under delivers?

Don't make me laugh with your "unbiased" comments about "winners".

Don't feed the trolls / AI bots.

it saddens me that Alienware is still alive

ZoneDymoit saddens me that Alienware is still alive

Let those folks live. Not everyone is computer tech savvy, just look at some of these posts. Alienware allows for a greater adoption in the computer gaming sector. I welcome those companies, but damn sure doesn't mean I would every buy one.

Say what you will about numbering schemes or performance or whatever, but if the CPU's are anywhere as fuggily & stupid looking as that case, they will probably sell out before they are even released :D /s

evernessinceDon't feed the trolls / AI bots.

"A-bot" perhaps. Troll or spoiled kid is more likely.

"Everybody is biased, so that means I can be as biased as I want". Brilliant. Everybody else is acting like AMD vs Intel is important, so Im gonna spend all my time arguing on the internet and get really mad and frustrated if someone badmouths my brand.

Might even be stupider than assaulting the local population because their soccer/football team got beaten. Sure, they are proud of their city, but how many of the players are local? So why so mad .. they´re just hired help, right? Get better players or beat the shit out of the management with a millwall brick.

I will take the advice though. Im taking sides with the winner. I´m now a fanboi of Cognitive dissonance. Sure seems to winning these days.

TomorrowIt certainly did...in power consumption at least. Even in CB2024 it beats 7950X by less than 100 points in MT and about 10 points in ST at 100W more power.
In games it's about 15fps ahead but gets easily beaten by both X3D variants. 7800X3D even consumes 200W less power (whole system, individually the gap is even bigger).

Speaking of losing...Intel is the one who will have a tough year. All they have is 14th gen refresh against Zen 4 now and Zen 5 for at least half of next year. That is assuming 15th gen or whatever they end calling Arrow Lake even launches at the end of 2024 like they indicate.
And the "AMD bankrupt" talk belongs in 2016. These days they are doing very well and are not going anywhere. It is Intel who is in trouble - constants downsizing and selling off non-core business parts.

Wrong. Right now there is no outright winner and it's great. And the winner does not take all.

No one is unbiased. Not you with your Intel fanboysm and not me. Unbiased tech person or reviewer is one of those great myths like Bigfoot or Griffin.

What winner? The one who got dumped by Apple and has to sell off parts of it's business to stay profitable? The one who can compete at the expense or much higher power consumption? The one who constantly over promises and under delivers?

Don't make me laugh with your "unbiased" comments about "winners".

Even if intel is "losing", they are still making $4 billion/quarter gross more than AMD. I want AMD to win, but Intel still has it's own fabs, even if they are not doing great atm, they DO have them and that IS and advantage for a CPU company. Intel has more fingers in pies than AMD i think, so they will always make money one way or another. I use intel, but am far from a fan boy. No doubt i would rather have a 7950X3D over a 14900k but cannot afford neither.

I'm not sure about the Ad, could be fake or a mis print, which could be more likely. I reckon Zen5 is definatley going to give Intel a headache.

FoulOnWhiteEven if intel is "losing", they are still making $4 billion/quarter gross more than AMD. I want AMD to win, but Intel still has it's own fabs, even if they are not doing great atm, they DO have them and that IS and advantage for a CPU company. Intel has more fingers in pies than AMD i think, so they will always make money one way or another. I use intel, but am far from a fan boy. No doubt i would rather have a 7950X3D over a 14900k but cannot afford neither.

I'm not sure about the Ad, could be fake or a mis print, which could be more likely. I reckon Zen5 is definatley going to give Intel a headache.

As a gamer only, 8800x3d or 9900x3d is still going to be king for gamers, and 7800x3d still remains king from all that I can see, but for everyone else though, yeah Intel is better.

lol is Dell really going to continue to stick to that godawful Alienware case?

This seems rather unlikely because the most recent Alienware desktops ditched that case design. I'd be surprised if they went backwards after finally ditching that atrocity (and I'm talking internals not exterior look).

SJZL 2.0The 14900K defeated even the 7950X3D significantly at the end of the day. If AMD lose any more within the next 2 years, they are going on the path of bankruptcy, failure, & collapse. And if anyone complains about a monopoly, remember that even the long term competition has to have a winner and in the tech market, its winner takes all. How could anyone try to be the "unbiased" guy about this when it comes to this competition? From what we have seen in the competition, siding with the winner is more objective than ever. Tell me, when it comes to a race in a forest between 2 people where the winner always wins, why would you side with the loser, for his demand to relieve his emotions & self esteem? Don't make me laugh.

Not sure how thee 13900KS/14900K beats the 7950X3D significantly. Most newer games tend to run faster on the 7950X3D and it's within splitting distance in productivity apps all while consuming like 1/3 the power.

You realise that power/performance is a lot more important in servers, which is where the bulk of the money is anyway, and intel is pretty much nowhere on that front especially after the release of Genoa and the new threadrippers. Not sure what you're really trying to say here.

It is pretty obvious that information is a typo. It should have been Ryzen 9 series instead of Ryzen 9000 series.
Still, people are losing their mind...

Probably a typo.
Boss: "Hey, Karen, can you make the new marketing material for our new Ryzen 9 7000-series gaming rig?"
Karen: "Sure thing, boss!"
5 minutes later...
Karen: "What was it again? Something-something 9, something thousand... hm... Ah, Ryzen 9000, that's it!"

SJZL 2.0The 14900K defeated even the 7950X3D significantly at the end of the day. If AMD lose any more within the next 2 years, they are going on the path of bankruptcy, failure, & collapse. And if anyone complains about a monopoly, remember that even the long term competition has to have a winner and in the tech market, its winner takes all. How could anyone try to be the "unbiased" guy about this when it comes to this competition? From what we have seen in the competition, siding with the winner is more objective than ever. Tell me, when it comes to a race in a forest between 2 people where the winner always wins, why would you side with the loser, for his demand to relieve his emotions & self esteem? Don't make me laugh.

Intel is dominating on desktop and mobile yes, but amd has the enterprise market where they focus on. They don't care about desktop and they don't have the capacity to properly compete in mobile, but they aren't going bankrupt due to the server space.

fevgatosThey don't care about desktop

What are you talking about?

Space LynxAs a gamer only, 8800x3d or 9900x3d is still going to be king for gamers, and 7800x3d still remains king from all that I can see, but for everyone else though, yeah Intel is better.

The 7800x 3d is great out of the box, but if you start playing with memory tuning and stuff, it's nowhere near Intel's best. It's competing with a 12700k / 12900k.

AusWolfWhat are you talking about?

That they don't care about desktops. They are throwing the leftovers. It's been happening for the last couple of gens, all the monolithic dies are going to the mobile and desktop gets the 40w idle power draw chiplets.

I have both a mobile and a desktop zen 3, the difference in power draw between them on simple stuff like browsing is insane. Mobile peaks at 10w, desktop goes over 30