Thursday, May 16th 2024

AMD to Discontinue Windows 10 Support for its Ryzen 9000 "Strix Point" Mobile Processors

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AMD is rumored to be discontinuing driver support for the Windows 10 operating system for its next-generation mobile processors, starting with the upcoming Ryzen 9000 "Strix Point" (and possibly "Strix Halo" and other chips from the generation). This would mean a lack of official drivers for the XDNA 2 NPU, SoC components, and possibly even the iGPU. This who know their way around manual driver installation might have some luck getting the Windows 11 drivers to work on Windows 10, but for the most part, notebooks and pre-built SFF desktops powered by these chips will not come with Windows 10 preinstalled, since there won't be any official drivers from AMD.

The CPU of Ryzen 9000 "Strix Point" processors should still very much work with Windows 10. This however doesn't cover the upcoming Ryzen 9000 "Granite Ridge" desktop processors, which have minimal hardware that need drivers, except for the basic iGPU they pack. Microsoft is discontinuing Windows 10 from regular updates on October 14, 2025. Those who want to hold on to the operating system need to pay for extended security update plans that get progressively pricier with each year.
Source: PC Guide

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82 Comments on AMD to Discontinue Windows 10 Support for its Ryzen 9000 "Strix Point" Mobile Processors

#51
R0H1T
Dr. Drosuch as unpatched and stripped, often custom versions of old releases of Windows just because they have a perceived belief that it makes their computer faster truly computer literate?
Well I'd argue there's also a bit of an element of luck involved. I've used everything from TPB, usenet et al. With or without AV & from memory never been infected, of course not using an AV helps because you won't know what'd hit you :D

In my experience the ones on such old/unpatched systems generally have someone else install their OS & rely on them for more technical advice. And I wouldn't blame my grandparents if they couldn't do that on their own, if they were alive today. Blame the stupid "support" for that!
Dr. DroCatering to the less tech inclined it's what they've been doing for the past ~25 years
How so?
Dr. DroI think we can all agree that the perfect blend between beauty and workflow on a desktop was achieved with Windows 7
I wasn't a particular fan of 7 when it launched, although part of it was down to the PC I had at the time. I much preferred the custom themes of XP & arguably so many less "prompts" to deal with!
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#52
Dr. Dro
R0H1TWell I'd argue there's also a bit of an element of luck involved. I've used everything from TPB, usenet et al. With or without AV & from memory never been infected, of course not using an AV helps because you won't know what'd hit you :D

In my experience the ones on such old/unpatched systems generally have someone else install their OS & rely on them for more technical advice. And I wouldn't blame my grandparents if they couldn't do that on their own, if they were alive today. Blame the stupid "support" for that!

How so?

I wasn't a particular fan of 7 when it launched, although part of it was down to the PC I had at the time. I much preferred the custom themes of XP & arguably so many less "prompts" to deal with!
Truly different times... we were all users of those services eh ;)

And I mean, you don't need a colorful, "AI equipped" OS to get your work done, you need something concise that takes as little clicks as possible to find and get what you need, nowadays it's almost as if they expect me to ask ChatGPT to execute a command on my PC :kookoo:
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#53
Wirko
Dr. Drono consumer using an Enterprise IoT LTSC cut of WIndows is using a legal copy, because it's not made available to end users
That holds true even without the IoT part.
Dr. Drosomething concise that takes as little clicks as possible to find and get what you need
That would describe the Vista/XP/2000/98 file search box, screwed up ever after.
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#54
DaemonForce
Chrispy_My feeling is that Windows is propped up by two crumbling paradigms:
  1. Windows gaming
  2. Massive, ageing productivity suites written for Win32 that either don't have Web-based variants, or whose web-based variants are too cut-down and incomplete to replace their Win32 parent suite.
Not necessarily Windows gaming but squeezing performance in games because of whatever libraries are specifically tuned to run better. Also the egregious and viciously repugnant suite of anticheat software out there that insta-boots or straight up bans linux users just because they decided to lock their audience into Windows. It's like a pincer attack and it sucks.
Chrispy_How long until there will be nothing left that needs Windows? My guess is 10 years, unless Microsoft themselves radically change the concept of what Windows actually is.
I give it 5 but that assumes most of the lobbies of games plagued with turds like low level anticheats and suspicious proctoring software disappear to a large degree. It won't happen. Too much $$$$$ greasing hands.
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#55
Eternit
DaemonForceNot necessarily Windows gaming but squeezing performance in games because of whatever libraries are specifically tuned to run better. Also the egregious and viciously repugnant suite of anticheat software out there that insta-boots or straight up bans linux users just because they decided to lock their audience into Windows. It's like a pincer attack and it sucks.

I give it 5 but that assumes most of the lobbies of games plagued with turds like low level anticheats and suspicious proctoring software disappear to a large degree. It won't happen. Too much $$$$$ greasing hands.
Games alone won't be enough to support Windows. Not everyone plays games, and a lot of gamers prefer consoles. Also PC gaming is more and more expensive hobby, while there are services like GeForce now. To survive, Windows needs desktop applications, and there is fever of them every year and Microsoft doesn't care about it. They prefer people to use websites in Chromium based browsers. You don't need Windows to do that. Corporations are slowly moving from desktop applications to websites, when the migration is all done, they will be able to switch to Linux. And that might be the end of x86 too as it is a lot easier to port operating system and browser than all the desktop applications.
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#57
Minus Infinity
R0H1TIt doesn't stop users from installing Win10 though, people got around the TPM requirement & this is also kind of a non issue. How many companies supported XP for years even after it went EOL?

Having said that official support would've been nice.
How do you know Win 12 won't have a NPU requirement too and won't boot with out one? I fully expect this to happen.
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#58
Eternit
Dr. DroJust came across this, it's even worse than I thought :eek:

www.xda-developers.com/connected-windows-xp-internet-didnt-survive-long/
Well Windows XP was created in a different times. It run on CPU a lot slower than used in modern watches. Microsoft didn't care about security back then. Vista was a lot more secure. Also he connected this PC directly to the internet and disabled firewall. Connect Windows 11 directly to the internet, disable firewall and Windows security (if it is possible) and see what will happen.
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#59
RJARRRPCGP
SL2I'm pretty sure it's related to W8.1 lack of popularity, combined with free W10 upgrade. I don't think it made many users sad in the face. W7 had a bigger user base.
I liked 8.1! 10 was like 8.1 with a slower-loading desktop, lmao
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#60
Raiden85
roberto888Dick move AMD....dick move!
It's an old OS now, it's almost 9yrs old for god sake, it's time to move on. Even 11 will be 3yrs old in Oct.
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#61
Chrispy_
DaemonForceNot necessarily Windows gaming but squeezing performance in games because of whatever libraries are specifically tuned to run better. Also the egregious and viciously repugnant suite of anticheat software out there that insta-boots or straight up bans linux users just because they decided to lock their audience into Windows. It's like a pincer attack and it sucks.

I give it 5 but that assumes most of the lobbies of games plagued with turds like low level anticheats and suspicious proctoring software disappear to a large degree. It won't happen. Too much $$$$$ greasing hands.
Yeah, anti-cheat is an issue for Linux gaming at the moment but I hear Valve are working on it.
The onus is on cross-platform anti-cheat to improve. It's not like the Windows anti-cheat solutions are particularly effective, and cross-platform, non-windows gaming is definitely a rapidly-growing sector that will (one day) likely be the dominant sector.
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#62
Craptacular
Not really a surprise, we are at the end of life for Windows 10, another year and half and it is no more patches for the vast vast vast majority of consumers.

It wouldn't make sense for AMD to spend money on driver support for a year and then drop it when Microsoft drops support for Windows 10. They are better off just making it a Windows 11 and giving years of driver support.
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#63
Dr. Dro
EternitWell Windows XP was created in a different times. It run on CPU a lot slower than used in modern watches. Microsoft didn't care about security back then. Vista was a lot more secure. Also he connected this PC directly to the internet and disabled firewall. Connect Windows 11 directly to the internet, disable firewall and Windows security (if it is possible) and see what will happen.
Probably the same thing, in the internet of the 2030's. The point is, that's why patching is important ;)
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#65
phints
holyprofI hate Win 11 (use it at work every day) and will hold on to 10 on my desktop and laptop right until it is discontinued, but admit that doesn't make sense releasing Win 10 drivers for a 2025 product.
You hate Win11 but like Win10? Lol what? Win11 is similar but faster, better looking, and has some new features like tabs in file explorer. It's been a no brainer on my PC and laptop. Have Linux on a few devices too like OpenWrt of course.
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#66
ARF
phintsYou hate Win11 but like Win10? Lol what? Win11 is similar but faster, better looking, and has some new features like tabs in file explorer. It's been a no brainer on my PC and laptop. Have Linux on a few devices too like OpenWrt of course.
Where is Windows 11 faster ? It is actually slower, because the things are hidden under double, triple or more clicks.
Windows 11 pretty much resembles the flop that Windows 8 was, no one in their right mind would update Windows 10 until Windows 12 gets launched and fixes all the mess and chaos introduced by Windows 11.

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#67
Dr. Dro
ARFWhere is Windows 11 faster ? It is actually slower, because the things are hidden under double, triple or more clicks.
Windows 11 pretty much resembles the flop that Windows 8 was, no one in their right mind would update Windows 10 until Windows 12 gets launched and fixes all the mess and chaos introduced by Windows 11.

It really is not slower. But it does have many questionable design decisions.
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#68
DaemonForce
ARFuntil Windows 12 gets launched and fixes all the mess and chaos introduced by Windows 11
You're making....A LOT of assumptions there. :wtf:

Historically I would jump server builds a lot.
XP -> 2003
2003 -> 2008
2008 -> 2012
2012 -> 2016 (I miss this one)
2016 -> 2019
2019 -> 10 (I am here)
Someday I may make the jump from 10 -> 2022 but it doesn't look like a good idea. I might skip for 2025.

My snowflake servers run 2016 Core, Full and when it's something REALLY weak, Nanoserver. Haven't run into any problems with it. Might be the last one that behaves.
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#69
ARF
Dr. DroIt really is not slower. But it does have many questionable design decisions.
It offers lower productivity speed. The time to access certain apps, settings is longer.
For example:
Windows 10 -> Start menu -> All installed apps
Windows 11 -> Start menu -> All installed apps hidden behind a further click to open the list

And this is only one example. The whole Windows 11 is as if made to sabotage you to work slower.

I guess M$ is about a global class-action law-suit from the users in order to get compensations for the lack of a proper operating system.
Especially when they enforce onto the users the bad new version upon purchases of a new hardware.
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#70
chrcoluk
I predicted this, Obvious Microsoft would lean on Intel and AMD. I t will be the same for whatever is Intel's next gen.
PumperWe can hate this move, but it makes sense, as these laptops will come with Win 11/12 out of the box anyway. I can't imagine anyone getting a brand new laptop with Win 11 or 12 license and go to the trouble to downgrade to 10.
Funny enough I downgraded my current laptop to W8 when I purchased it.
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#71
Dr. Dro
ARFIt offers lower productivity speed. The time to access certain apps, settings is longer.
For example:
Windows 10 -> Start menu -> All installed apps
Windows 11 -> Start menu -> All installed apps hidden behind a further click to open the list

And this is only one example. The whole Windows 11 is as if made to sabotage you to work slower.

I guess M$ is about a global class-action law-suit from the users in order to get compensations for the lack of a proper operating system.
Especially when they enforce onto the users the bad new version upon purchases of a new hardware.
As I said, questionable design decisions that result in an inferior workflow. But if every company's that chose form over function was subject to a class-action...

At least the UI is serviceable and you can replace the start menu, bring back legacy contexts, old task manager etc.
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#72
ARF
Dr. DroAs I said, questionable design decisions that result in an inferior workflow.
Why doesn't M$ listen to the users? Doesn't M$ itself use the same operating system? Don't these people see that it's awful?
M$ should ask people like us how to design the thing.
Dr. DroBut if every company's that chose form over function was subject to a class-action...
That's not true. Most companies are fine. M$ is more like a mafia, and this is an exception, rather than the rule.
Dr. DroAt least the UI is serviceable and you can replace the start menu, bring back legacy contexts, old task manager etc.
Yes, even more time wasted to try to fix what M$ is paid to deliver right, to begin with.
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#73
Dr. Dro
ARFWhy doesn't M$ listen to the users? Doesn't M$ itself use the same operating system? Don't these people see that it's awful?
M$ should ask people like us how to design the thing.



That's not true. Most companies are fine. M$ is more like a mafia, and this is an exception, rather than the rule.



Yes, even more time wasted to try to fix what M$ is paid to deliver right, to begin with.
1. Because it doesn't have to. People have an extreme reliance on Windows - and their primary revenue source are pre-built licensing (OEM channel) and audited businesses.

2. M$ is no different from any large corporation, they aren't your friends and their objective is solely to make money. They don't really care if you're satisfied with the product or not.

3. Time? No. Few clicks here and there. Money? Perhaps. The best software in the UX customization business is indeed not free. But not a dealbreaker. So there's that.
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#74
mrnagant
Seems kind of strange because we will have ESU, we got LTSC and LTSB, Windows Server 2016 build is the same major build as Windows 10 1607, and Server 2019 is the same major build as Windows 10 1809. Just thinking of the business side of things it doesn't make that much sense.

Maybe MS has some kind of weirdness happening where they don't want to update the kernel for Win10 Home/Pro maybe?
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#75
DaemonForce
mrnagantWindows Server 2016 build is the same major build as Windows 10 1607, and Server 2019 is the same major build as Windows 10 1809
It makes perfect sense if you think about it. There were a lot of changes between each stage in terms of memory management, the weird split of control panel layouts, the introduction of full fat 2022 and the cut down HCI. I really want to see another bare metal build of Nanoserver for 2025 but we know that's not going to happen. Would be sick to see it though.
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