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Minisforum Unveils the EliteMini AI370 With AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 CPU

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Minisforum is thrilled to announce the launch of the EliteMini AI370, a powerful mini PC that combines groundbreaking CPU performance with a sleek, compact design. This innovative device is designed to meet the demands of gamers, creators, and tech enthusiasts who need high performance in a small footprint.

The Next-Level Performance
At the core of the EliteMini AI370 is the new AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 processor. Featuring 12 cores and 24 threads, this advanced chip delivers effortless power for gaming and creative applications. It expertly balances high performance and energy efficiency, with integrated AI enhancements that optimize workflows and daily tasks like never before.
World's Leading NPU
The processor also boasts the world's leading neural processing unit (NPU) with 50 AI TOPS performance, utilizing the AMD XDNA2 architecture to achieve 2x better power efficiency and 5x more AI performance. This sets a new benchmark for intelligent computing, redefining what users can expect from a mini PC.

Compact Aesthetic Design
The EliteMini AI370 is not just about raw power; it's also beautifully designed. Crafted from premium, durable plastic, its sleek 5-inch form factor makes it perfect for any environment, whether professional or leisure. Its exquisite details and eye-catching aesthetics ensure it stands out, while its compact size makes it incredibly portable.

Ultimate Gaming Experience
Equipped with AMD Radeon 890M integrated graphics, the EliteMini AI370 offers a 3A gaming experience with 60+ frames per second (FPS) and a 30% performance boost. This, coupled with an exceptional 32 GB of lightning-fast 7500 MHz memory, usually found in high-end workstations, enables seamless multitasking and an unparalleled user experience.

Blazing-fast NVMe SSD
Further enhancing its performance, the EliteMini AI370 includes an agile NVMe SSD for incredibly fast load times, ensuring games and applications spring to life instantly. With up to 4 TB of PCIe storage, users can easily expand their gaming library and enjoy uninterrupted gaming adventures wherever they go.

Release and Price
The EliteMini AI370 is a testament to our commitment to innovation and performance, by integrating top-tier processing capabilities with a compact and stylish design, it delivers a mini PC that exceeds expectations in functionality and form.

We are thrilled to announce the pre-launch of the EliteMini AI370. Visit the pre-launch page at https://minisforum.com/AI370_US/AI370_US.html and take advantage of a $50 discount available from October 10th to 28th.
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27 Comments on Minisforum Unveils the EliteMini AI370 With AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 CPU

#1
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
I guess this would be good for mame
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#3
Timbaloo
TumbleGeorge$50 discount from... unknown price?
You can expect not less than the Beelink SER9... Disappointment in 3... 2... 1...
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#4
igormp
I'm really eager to see how such miniPC with strix halo will perform like.
Double the memory bandwidth, big Zen 5 desktop cores, hefty iGPU, it'll be an interesting product for sure.
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#5
CosmicWanderer
Only one USB4 port? Certainly the platform can provide more?
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#6
utmode
TimbalooYou can expect not less than the Beelink SER9... Disappointment in 3... 2... 1...
been using ser5 max for 4 months, finiding it fantastic noise wise.
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#7
Dr. Dro
eidairaman1I guess this would be good for mame
This thing is going to be quite expensive. It'll no doubt make for a great emulation box, but for MAME and retro emulation specifically, I'd personally go with a 2010 to 2012 Mac mini. Those are affordable, fast enough to handle MAME and also many other high-accuracy emulators and support analog video out, I use a 2010 mini hooked up to a CRT monitor for that. I have a thread on it
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#8
Chaitanya
For some unknown reasons only AI365 based laptops have been available so far from Shitsus and rest have been suspiciously missing.
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#9
JWNoctis
Rather than more performance NUC-likes, there might be a market for an N100/N200 replacement from AMD, maybe with 4xZen5c mobile, the same iGPU cluster desktop Zen 4s had, a small NPU to feed investors, single channel memory to keep things small and cheap, some useful connectivity like 1x m.2 with 4x PCIe 4.0, two SATA ports, provision for a useful NIC or two, and half a dozen USB 10Gbps and 2.0 ports, cheap enough to target =<$150 without memory and SSD, in a similar form factor.

Unlikely, but one could dream.
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#10
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
Dr. DroThis thing is going to be quite expensive. It'll no doubt make for a great emulation box, but for MAME and retro emulation specifically, I'd personally go with a 2010 to 2012 Mac mini. Those are affordable, fast enough to handle MAME and also many other high-accuracy emulators and support analog video out, I use a 2010 mini hooked up to a CRT monitor for that. I have a thread on it
Yeah, it's most likely going to be around the $1000 to $1250 range.

Currently the Beelink SER9 is at $1,250, with a current launch sale at $1000. The problem is that all current devices with HX 370 are all embedded LPDDR5X so no DDR5 SO-DIMMs just yet. Also no Oculink port and only one USB4v1 port (at least on the SER9).



EDIT: Forgot to note that the numbers above are in US dollars.
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#11
Timbaloo
utmodebeen using ser5 max for 4 months, finiding it fantastic noise wise.
I'm not questioning the quality of the hardware, but the price for something like this is beyond pricey.
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#12
The Quim Reaper
ChaitanyaFor some unknown reasons only AI365 based laptops have been available so far from Shitsus and rest have been suspiciously missing.
It's not a mystery, Asus were given a 2-3 mth exclusivity deal for the new AMD chips.

We will see many more Strix laptops unveiled at CES 2025, from the other OEMs.
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#13
Neo_Morpheus
I dont see a good reason why it needs 2 ethernet ports.

Too expensive to be used as a router.

I would gladly swap one of those port for another USB C 4 port or even an Oculink port.
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#14
Chaitanya
The Quim ReaperIt's not a mystery, Asus were given a 2-3 mth exclusivity deal for the new AMD chips.

We will see many more Strix laptops unveiled at CES 2025, from the other OEMs.
Even with that "exclusivity" all I have seen is single 14" Vivobook for sale nothing else. Ai370 based laptops are all shown as "Pre Release" even seen some MSI laptops up to preorder. What AMD is doing with these chips is stupid and quite damaging to their reputation.
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#15
Dr. Dro
ChaitanyaWhat AMD is doing with these chips is stupid and quite damaging to their reputation.
Is it really? I'd wager most people don't actually care, myself
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#17
Dr. Dro
CosmicWandererConfirmed to be $849.

x.com/Hi_MINISFORUM/status/1845674555165254096
$849 is a hella nice price for this machine. A lot less than what I expected, that's for sure. Best of all is that this thing is probably as powerful as someone who doesn't do heavy gaming or something with high GPU requirements will ever need their computer to be.

My original point kinda stands though, an older Mac mini for MAME is gonna set you back with $100 tops, often less.
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#18
gurusmi
I don't need that AI-Sh*t. I own enough NI. So compared to a Ryzen 9 8945. What is a faster CPU in non-AI workloads? I could be in need of a miniPC for Office loads, classical development and the ability to drive a dual-monitor (2*1440p) setup.
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#19
igormp
gurusmiI don't need that AI-Sh*t. I own enough NI. So compared to a Ryzen 9 8945. What is a faster CPU in non-AI workloads? I could be in need of a miniPC for Office loads, classical development and the ability to drive a dual-monitor (2*1440p) setup.
Given how that CPU is pretty much a 7840HS with a 100MHz clock bump, you can easily use that as a baseline to compare to the new 370 model:
www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen-ai-9-hx-370/3

It's either equal and up to ~30% better, depending on the application. Average is 10% better with way less power consumption.

Keep in mind that this is a hybrid CPU with 4 Zen 5 big cores + 8 Zen 5c cores, instead of the regular 8 Zen 4 big cores.

Memory is also always soldered, since it's LPDDR5X (so way higher frequencies, but higher latency as well).
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#20
Minus Infinity
igormpMemory is also always soldered, since it's LPDDR5X (so way higher frequencies, but higher latency as well).
Just curious why phones can leverage much higher LPDDR5X clocks. I believe some new phones coming out will be using 10066MT/s LPDDR5X memory, far higher than 8533 being used in laptops like Lunar Lake and Strix. Halo is going to need much faster meory to feed 40 CU's and 16 cores properly.
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#21
Dr. Dro
Minus InfinityJust curious why phones can leverage much higher LPDDR5X clocks. I believe some new phones coming out will be using 10066MT/s LPDDR5X memory, far higher than 8533 being used in laptops like Lunar Lake and Strix. Halo is going to need much faster meory to feed 40 CU's and 16 cores properly.
The timings tend to be comparably sky high and some additional limitations apply, such as the data bus width (and thus, bandwidth) being limited to half of what you'll find in regular DDR5. LPDDR5X-10066 is only as fast as DDR5-5033 which is still a helluva lot bandwidth for any given device.
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#22
igormp
Minus InfinityI believe some new phones coming out will be using 10066MT/s LPDDR5X memory,
AFAIK those memories are really recent. PC world usually lags a bit in the latest technologies/nodes when compared to mobile, since it's a lower volume market that can pony up the extra power consumption.
Minus InfinityHalo is going to need much faster meory to feed 40 CU's and 16 cores properly.
Remainder that Halo is going to have a 256-bit memory bus, double of what we usually see in the x86 world.
Dr. Drosuch as the data bus width (and thus, bandwidth) being limited to half of what you'll find in regular DDR5. LPDDR5X-10066 is only as fast as DDR5-5033 which is still a helluva lot bandwidth for any given device.
Where did you get this from? The bus from those devices using LPDDR memory is still 128-bit (4x 32-bit channels, just like DDR5).
In fact, the mobile chips from both Intel and AMD usually deliver higher memory bandwidth when compared to their desktop versions:

source

The 9950x in that test used DDR-6000, with a max theoretical bandwidth of 96GB/s. The HX 370 was on LPDDR5-7500, with 120GB/s theoretical speed (so the CPU was pretty much capped by the infinity fabric), and similar clocks for the Cure Ultra.

Lunar Lake can achieve even higher speeds using LPDDR5X-8533 (max bandwidth of ~136GB/s):

The SD elite X has a really good memory subsystem, has a memory controller that supports similar frequencies do LNL and can achieve almost all of its theoretical bandwidth.

Latencies on LPDDR5X are awful, but that's a different issue altogether. Strix halo with its 256-bit bus and LPDDR5X-8533 memory can achieve a theoretical bandwidth of ~274GB/s, which is actually higher than the 4070 mobile with its 128-bit GDDR6 bus.
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#23
Dr. Dro
igormpAFAIK those memories are really recent. PC world usually lags a bit in the latest technologies/nodes when compared to mobile, since it's a lower volume market that can pony up the extra power consumption.

Remainder that Halo is going to have a 256-bit memory bus, double of what we usually see in the x86 world.


Where did you get this from? The bus from those devices using LPDDR memory is still 128-bit (4x 32-bit channels, just like DDR5).
In fact, the mobile chips from both Intel and AMD usually deliver higher memory bandwidth when compared to their desktop versions:

source

The 9950x in that test used DDR-6000, with a max theoretical bandwidth of 96GB/s. The HX 370 was on LPDDR5-7500, with 120GB/s theoretical speed (so the CPU was pretty much capped by the infinity fabric), and similar clocks for the Cure Ultra.

Lunar Lake can achieve even higher speeds using LPDDR5X-8533 (max bandwidth of ~136GB/s):

The SD elite X has a really good memory subsystem, has a memory controller that supports similar frequencies do LNL and can achieve almost all of its theoretical bandwidth.

Latencies on LPDDR5X are awful, but that's a different issue altogether. Strix halo with its 256-bit bus and LPDDR5X-8533 memory can achieve a theoretical bandwidth of ~274GB/s, which is actually higher than the 4070 mobile with its 128-bit GDDR6 bus.
A DDR5 module necessarily has the two 32-bit channels, while this is optional in LPDDR5X configurations. There's lots of changes to encoding (the memory works differently, despite the name). I read on it some time ago. LPDDR5 and DDR5X support essentially the same encoding schemes, with some small changes and a higher data rate in the X revision.

www.anandtech.com/show/13084/samsung-announces-first-lpddr5-64gbps-data-rates

www.anandtech.com/show/16851/jedec-announces-lpddr5x-at-up-to-8533mbps
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#24
TumbleGeorge
Dr. DroThe timings tend to be comparably sky high and some additional limitations apply, such as the data bus width (and thus, bandwidth) being limited to half of what you'll find in regular DDR5. LPDDR5X-10066 is only as fast as DDR5-5033 which is still a helluva lot bandwidth for any given device.
This. You is right. Citation from Wikipedia about Dimensity 9400 bandwidth with lpddr5x 10667:
4 × 16-bit (64-bit) LPDDR5X-10667 @ 5333.5 MHz (85.3 GB/)
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#25
igormp
Dr. DroA DDR5 module necessarily has the two 32-bit channels, while this is optional in LPDDR5X configurations.
Yeah, but for desktop/laptop level it's pretty safe to assume that at least 128-bit is being used, this the sabe width as your regular dual-channel desktop config.
TumbleGeorgeThis. You is right. Citation from Wikipedia about Dimensity 9400 bandwidth with lpddr5x 10667:
Do keep in mind that this is a device with only 64-bit, similar to using a DDR5 stick in single-channel.
All laptops you see around with LPDDR5(x) are 128-bit or more, so you can double that bandwidth number.
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