crazyeyesreaperat 400 watts on the PSU i would likely opt for the Intel system its more efficient surprisingly meaning less strain on the PSU. the AMD chip can and will use more overall power. But in terms of actual gaming the Intel system should performance about the same, but run cooler / quieter / and more efficiently.

crazyeyesreaperoverall system power draw on the AMD chip is higher more often than not from what I have seen. Furthermore its a 4060, the extra CPU performance wont matter as the system will be GPU limited long before CPU.

That said, yeah the AMD system is the far better overall CPU option hands down, but for pure gaming. The Intel system is likely a better option because the 400 watt PSU is not confidence inspiring.

The 7940HX can if not limited hit 200-220 watts vs the 12900HK at around 170-180 watts. that's half the 400 PSU's capacity. A desktop 4060 can pull 115 watts. So the AMD system in theory can peak at around 340 watts not counting transient spikes and with multiple storage drives etc. While the difference between the two is small in terms of price. that extra headroom is good to have for longevity.

If opting for a barebones and trying to add a different GPU without overloading the CPU that changes things a bit.

Looking at the various options it really depends on how one plans to use the system.

yfn_ratchetMost of this is a total nothing burger. These are still laptop chips, and more importantly stuffed into a mini-PC chassis. It's highly doubtful either chip could avoid a TJmax ceiling at those power targets, and in this field AMD sustains lower power under high/full load while remaining consistently performant across the board on Zen 4 and even Zen 3/3.5 systems.

The 12900HK I would expect has more multithreaded muscle due to having more physical cores, which is a consideration for some, but the vast majority of the market for mini-PC users are gamers and casual users, and neither would noticeably appreciate the low-load efficiency of an Intel chip nor its decent multithreading performance which belongs more in homelab duties (especially with the transcoding beast that is Quick Sync Video).

Not to mention that the 400W PSU that's all so wimpy is a standard form factor, TFX, and can be replaced by high-power options from the likes of Silverstone [TX700] if that's your perogative.

JohH1. It does actually have fine temperature at 100W. It runs Prime 95 for 1 hour and at no point did it trip PROCHOT or throttle. Fan does get loud.
2. 7940HX has 16 cores and 32 threads. 12900HK only has 14 cores and 20 threads. 12900HK has much less MT muscle.
3. 400W PSU is sufficient for 100W CPU + 115W GPU. But more probably wouldn't hurt.

1. I was noting crazyeyesreaper's numbers for fully unlocked PLs, so far above 100W. Rather impressive that the cooling kept up with that much power, though.
2. Naming conventions strike again, I forgot that the HX is a different model entirely from the HS. My bad. Still, I would contest that Intel's a better option for homelab if not workstation.
3. Yeah, should be fine anyways, but it's worth bringing up that it's not like 400W is an absolute ceiling at these PSU sizes.

Expand Low-profile Graphics Card

Powered by the AMD Radeon™ 610M, it offers reliable performance and smooth operation, efficiently handling all your computing and multimedia tasks. Plus, it supports internal installation of a low-profile dedicated graphics card, such as the Gigabyte RTX 4060 OC-8GL, further enhancing graphics processing capability.

Note: Dedicated graphics card not included.

ChaitanyaAre they using standard FlexATX PSU? those are relatively "easy" to source compared to anything propiertary that most SFF PC OEMs tend to use. Another thing to note is front USB is USB 2.0 which is stupidly odd decision. with half height PCI slots available it should be easy to add fast networking capabilities as long as board used has a PCIe slot.
Edit: here is the image of board from product page.


Also Title suggests the GPU is included while it clearly is not and only comes with iGPU.

yfn_ratchetIt would have been good to mention in the title that it was a desktop 4060 to perk some ears, because I also initially thought it was a 4060 Mobile strapped to the board. You get a Gigabyte 4060 Low Profile if you buy the full package by the looks of it, with the barebones version leaving it out.

In any case, this looks like their BD products being repurposed into ready-made SFF PCs to get them moving. People probably don't buy the BDs all that often since it has Aliexpress franken-board compromises without the Aliexpress franken-board price, even if it's very nicely made. In that case, this should all be standard ATX so you can use any TFX PSU with these. FlexATX is a lot more narrow than the product pics of the PSU, so I'd say that's not what they're using.

crazyeyesreaperat 400 watts on the PSU i would likely opt for the Intel system its more efficient surprisingly meaning less strain on the PSU. the AMD chip can and will use more overall power. But in terms of actual gaming the Intel system should performance about the same, but run cooler / quieter / and more efficiently.

crazyeyesreaperoverall system power draw on the AMD chip is higher more often than not from what I have seen. Furthermore its a 4060, the extra CPU performance wont matter as the system will be GPU limited long before CPU.

That said, yeah the AMD system is the far better overall CPU option hands down, but for pure gaming. The Intel system is likely a better option because the 400 watt PSU is not confidence inspiring.

The 7940HX can if not limited hit 200-220 watts vs the 12900HK at around 170-180 watts. that's half the 400 PSU's capacity. A desktop 4060 can pull 115 watts. So the AMD system in theory can peak at around 340 watts not counting transient spikes and with multiple storage drives etc. While the difference between the two is small in terms of price. that extra headroom is good to have for longevity.

If opting for a barebones and trying to add a different GPU without overloading the CPU that changes things a bit.

Looking at the various options it really depends on how one plans to use the system.

bonehead123And I would have my doubts about running a 16 core CPU (regardless of brand) + a 4060 with a scrawny little 400w PSU to do anything significant, other than casual office work/surfin/email ect....nope, not doin that !

ChaitanyaAre they using standard FlexATX PSU? those are relatively "easy" to source compared to anything propiertary that most SFF PC OEMs tend to use. Another thing to note is front USB is USB 2.0 which is stupidly odd decision. with half height PCI slots available it should be easy to add fast networking capabilities as long as board used has a PCIe slot.
Edit: here is the image of board from product page.


Also Title suggests the GPU is included while it clearly is not and only comes with iGPU.

DavenUmm…wut!?!? I had to read this inane comment three times. Are you saying a 16 core CPU and a mid range desktop discrete graphics card can ‘only’ surf the web because of the 400W PSU?

Every laptop ever made just called and wants a word with you.

yfn_ratchetIt would have been good to mention in the title that it was a desktop 4060 to perk some ears, because I also initially thought it was a 4060 Mobile strapped to the board. You get a Gigabyte 4060 Low Profile if you buy the full package by the looks of it, with the barebones version leaving it out.

In any case, this looks like their BD products being repurposed into ready-made SFF PCs to get them moving. People probably don't buy the BDs all that often since it has Aliexpress franken-board compromises without the Aliexpress franken-board price, even if it's very nicely made. In that case, this should all be standard ATX so you can use any TFX PSU with these. FlexATX is a lot more narrow than the product pics of the PSU, so I'd say that's not what they're using.

bonehead123Aw shucks, I forgot the "/s" tag...oops, my bad :D

But I was being sarcastic of course, if for nothing else than just to preempt the inevitable onslaught of the gamr bois, who would start whining & moaning about how they couldn't possibly get 200fps+ out of these rigs because it would over-stress the psu.......

Hardware1906you can check ETA Prime review, the cpu rarely go higher than 90W in gaming and max at 100W while benchmarking with cpuz, also the 7940hx + rtx 4060 combo maxed out at 250W
btw, can you give me the source about "the 7940hx can hit 200W" please?

not too much review about it since its launch