Looks like we're looking at +40% perfomance increase on a regular basis,even bigger in ones that use async and other vulkan/dx12 features, and HDR is fixed. About +50% over 1080 taking all into account.
I really expected less, about +30%, basically 1080Ti level of performance. Looks like it's going to be faster than 1080Ti, 5-10% in most games, close to 20% in games that use async and stuff.


They claimed 1.7x over 980 with 1080, while TPU only shows 66-69%, liars.....

btw lol at people who don't understand 1080 performance is 1.0x (100%) of 1080 performance :roll::roll::roll:


Also,if they can achieve +50% on a 2944 CUDA 256-bit 12nm card, then Vega 7nm better be at least 1.75x of Vega 10, or else 7nm nvidia cards will come a year late with $700 for 3070.

rtwjunkieAlthough I do find Jay to be entertaining, the thing to keep in mind is Jay is somewhat Nvidia biased. He even said last year he would no longer accept AMD review samples. So, just take what he says with “two cents” worth of salt.

Absolutely, I take anything I see with a pinch of salt these days... Most of what you hear and read until reviews come out are bs anyways and simply, I ain't got time for that :D :laugh:
I think he's one of the better ones, but I do believe he's got rather big like Linus and that kinda goes to your head, or anyones for that matter I'd guess...

phillUnimpressed with the price, that's enough to really put me off.. Must be due to the mining maybe that the prices are so high or is it because they've gone from GTX to RTX?? Maybe the bosses who thought that up needed a bigger bonus or something..

Either ways, I'll stick with my first word of the post, unimpressed....

No doubt it is primarily a mix of getting their money back for all of the years of R&D as well as still being the king of the hill.

Minus InfinityWhy are they comparing 2080 to 1080, when 2080 is essentially 1080 Ti replacement and 2080 Ti is Titan replacement. They should be comparing 2070 to 1080. Sure it'll still be better but nowhere near as much as they are claiming. Cynical attempt to fool people with absurdly priced cards with features most people don't need. Who the hell needs Tensor cores for gaming? That should be a Ti and Quadro feature only. Even the ray tracing is a gimmick at this stage and should also be eclusive to the Ti. The lower models could have been much smaller chips without RTX and tensor cores and much cheaper. GTX 2080 and 2070 to directly replace 1080 and 1070 and RTX 2080 Ti replaces 1080Ti and Titan. AMD can make a killing if they get the 7nm update pricing and performance right.

This is a very interesting point that people seem to miss! At least with current prices. If RTX 2080 is going to cost $699 why should I compare it to much cheaper 1080? The price of 2080 is in the same price segment that 1080 Ti is and as a consumer If I'm willing to spend that much money on a card I'm not interested in comparing it to much cheaper 1080. I would compare it to a card that is in the same price range and in this case it's 1080 Ti. If NVIDIA were to release 2060 for $699 I don't think anybody sane would compare it to 1060 because of the ridiculous price.

What NVIDIA did is they changed the price segment of their cards, a simple yet effective strategy that make people believe that that their products are much better than they really are. People will compare RTX 2080 to GTX 1080 forgetting that now they need to pay as much as for a 1080 Ti card. I don't think this is fair. That is why I also consider 2080 Ti to be an upgrade to Titan, 2080 to 1080 Ti and 2070 to 1080 and I think it's best to compare them in this way.

2070 is the same 75% of 104 die that 1070 was to 1080, but this time with the same bandwidth as 2080, so I'd say it's an upgrade this time. 2080 is TU104 cut by 4.17%, but with the same memory that 1080Ti has, unlike 1080 (10Gbps) vs 1080Ti later (11.4Gbps).

VallThoreThis is a very interesting point that people seem to miss! At least with current prices. If RTX 2080 is going to cost $699 why should I compare it to much cheaper 1080? The price of 2080 is in the same price segment that 1080 Ti is and as a consumer If I'm willing to spend that much money on a card I'm not interested in comparing it to much cheaper 1080. I would compare it to a card that is in the same price range and in this case it's 1080 Ti. If NVIDIA were to release 2060 for $699 I don't think anybody sane would compare it to 1060 because of the ridiculous price.

What NVIDIA did is they changed the price segment of their cards, a simple yet effective strategy that make people believe that that their products are much better than they really are. People will compare RTX 2080 to GTX 1080 forgetting that now they need to pay as much as for a 1080 Ti card. I don't think this is fair. That is why I also consider 2080 Ti to be an upgrade to Titan, 2080 to 1080 Ti and 2070 to 1080 and I think it's best to compare them in this way.

Let’s try and school you on this outside of the realm of cards.

Let’s use a Mercedes C class car. Next year they make a new c class and it is faster, accelerated faster, handles faster and brakes faster than the previous year’s E class. Naturally it costs a lot more also.

Does that make it a replacement for the E class? No, it doesn’t, it is just a better C class, because the E class also improved by the same margins.

In the same way, the cards, which all fall into the same product stack at the same places as the previous year only replace their own model. It is completely based upon the chips used. Price and performance have nothing to do with it. We expect them to always improve.

If 2080 is 50% over 1080, then what do you think 2070 will be, considering it's got 14gbps ddr6 as well ? 1070 was 25% slower than 1080, this time there might be as little as 15% between them.

rtwjunkieLet’s try and school you on this outside of the realm of cards.

Let’s use a Mercedes C class car. Next year they make a new c class and it is faster, accelerated faster, handles faster and brakes faster than the previous year’s E class. Naturally it costs a lot more also.

Does that make it a replacement for the E class? No, it doesn’t, it is just a better c class, because the e class also improved by the same margins.

In the same way, the cards, which all fall into the same product stack at the same places as the previous year only replace their own model. Price and performance have nothing to do with it. We expect them to always improve.

I understand what you mean. If NVIDIA says that RTX 2080 is a successor to GTX 1080 then so be it. I'm not trying to neglect that. They have the right to choose whatever the successor is and whatever performance it should have, it's purely their decision. But I can't agree on the price expectations. I don't expect the price of the successor to be much greater than that of the predecessor on release day. And looking at the poll on the frontpage 58% of people think the same. People prefer to have more performance for the same price.

My comment was strictly from the consumer standpoint and not from general technological advancement in the field. What I care as a consumer is that right now I need to spend a lot more for a successor than I expected. I anticipated that the price for RTX 2080 would be more or less the same as GTX 1080 on release day. That is not the case and RTX 2080 costs a lot more - in fact it costs as much as a more expensive model from previous generation. Now, let's say that I want to buy a new card and I can spend $700 on it. Right now I have two options: RTX 2080 or GTX 1080 Ti. Which one should I buy? Let's say that as a consumer I want the best performance for the buck. Why would I be interested in comparing RTX 2080 to plain GTX 1080? It's not in the same price range anymore. From the buyers perspective my reference point becomes GTX 1080 Ti because it costs about the same. That's what I tried to convey; if I'm spending money on a new card I'm going to compare it to a card in the same price range. Therefore I'm more interested in comparing RTX 2080 to GTX 1080 Ti because for me it's strictly a matter of cost-effectiveness. Yes, the price is higher because NVIDIA needs to get their money back for R&D and probably it's more expensive to manufacture the whole chip. But frankly, as a consumer, I don't give a damn.

@VallThore I sure do understand your desire to not have to go broke. Unfortunately you will never be able to get more performance for the same price while staying at the same GPU tier.

However, as you have pointed out correctly, the price difference this time is such a huge increase, it is forcing people to buy down one model tier or more, just to be able to buy a new card.

I feel your pain!

TBH 2070 looks like a much better buy this time. Last time GTX 1080 was clearly a lot better choice if you could afford it over 1070, it had full gp104 and ddr5x, it had 33% more cuda and 25% more memory bandwidth.Now 2080 has a cut die and same memory, and that results in 28% more cuda (5% decrease) and same bandwidth. It's gonna be a lot closer to 2080 than 1070 was to 1080, probably similar to 970 and 980 situation.

I worry about how this pricing may damage the PC market, these new technologies sound interesting, but it seems the mass majority of gamers will not be able to enjoy them.

TheOneI worry about how this pricing may damage the PC market, these new technologies sound interesting, but it seems the mass majority of gamers will not be able to enjoy them.

You're not alone.

What was that mystery code name Ampere, is that possibly a GTX 2080 without RT/tensor.

xorbeWhat was that mystery code name Ampere, is that possibly a GTX 2080 without RT/tensor.

More likely a 7nm successor to Volta in HPC,if anything.

Yawnn... not interested in stock performance ratios ... Are we seeing 30+ % overlcocks like we saw with 9xx series or single digit OCs like we see with AMD cards ? Kinda matters.

rtwjunkie@VallThore I sure do understand your desire to not have to go broke. Unfortunately you will never be able to get more performance for the same price while staying at the same GPU tier.

However, as you have pointed out correctly, the price difference this time is such a huge increase, it is forcing people to buy down one model tier or more, just to be able to buy a new card.

I feel your pain!

We better hope the price doesn't increase like this or pretty soon no one will be able to afford XXXX50.

I laugh at the idea that nearly the best GPU in the stack can barely use these new features at 1080@60

moproblems99We better hope the price doesn't increase like this or pretty soon no one will be able to afford XXXX50.

I laugh at the idea that nearly the best GPU in the stack can barely use these new features at 1080@60

Nvidia won't price themselves out of the market, no matter how shit the competition is.

cucker tarlsonYou're not alone.

Put me into that mix with you guys. I'm to the point I'll be making $100k a year soon but still...I'm not going to pay those prices. It's ridiculous what they're turning 'PC Gaming' into. Even the mid tier cards are going to be super expensive. Where does it end? Like most have said, if this trend continues people will (I won't) be paying $3,000 for their flagship cards.

I still see a light at the end of the tunnel, 2070 is going to be a much better offering than 1070 was, it's using same 14gbps as 2080, and it's the same 75% of the full 104 die while 2080 is cut. Price difference between the two is $20 more than 1070 to 1080, but seems marginal given 2070 will be much closer to 2080 now.
I too could afford 2080Ti easily,but it's not even about the price,rather about the card itself. I'm not buying such a huge die on 12nm in 2018, better get a placeholder like 2070 with good price/perf ratio that will still be +20-30% over my 1080 (allegedly) and then go big in 2020 when new consoles drop and nvidia is out with 7nm.
If 2070 doesn't deliver that +20-25% though, I'll not buy any RTX card most likely,maybe a 1080Ti but only if price plummets below 2070 level. I'd like a new card though, cause next year I won't get any good money for my gtx 1080 when it's out of warranty.

cucker tarlsonI still see a light at the end of the tunnel.

The proverbial light at the end of the tunnel isn't there until ray tracing doesn't cripple the top card down to only being able to run 1080@60hz. Personally, I think they should have held off on blowing RTX out of proportion until next generation. Whooptydoo if RTX allows you see a muzzle flash in a soldiers eye. You probably aren't going to see it anyway when your frame rate is a whopping 25 because you dared try 1440.

moproblems99Whooptydoo if RTX allows you see a muzzle flash in a soldiers eye.

"Enhance!"

VallThoreYes, the price is higher because NVIDIA needs to get their money back for R&D and probably it's more expensive to manufacture the whole chip. But frankly, as a consumer, I don't give a damn.

That isn't really how it works. They aren't "trying to get their money back" but rather maximize profits. Nvidia prices are based on what the market will bear and competition. Competition at this level is lacking. They may be trying to capture more of future crypto frenzy as well. They can always discount the cards to increase sales if necessary.

rruffThat isn't really how it works. They aren't "trying to get their money back" but rather maximize profits. Nvidia prices are based on what the market will bear and competition. Competition at this level is lacking. They may be trying to capture more of future crypto frenzy as well. They can always discount the cards to increase sales if necessary.

Nvidia hardly ever discounts

DigiTimes: NVIDIA Forced AIBs to Absorb Glut of 10-Series GPUs

NVIDIA being NVIDIA, they have turned this from failure to opportunity for profit. They are instead, passing that failure to calculate market demand down to their partners.

Partners who want to have sufficient supply of the next generation GPUs would have to take on the massive 10-series inventory says DigiTimes.

Good! Bring on the cheap 1080s!

cucker tarlsonThey claimed 1.7x over 980 with 1080, while TPU only shows 66-69%, liars.....

You probably wanted to say 660-690%



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