Thursday, August 4th 2022

Potential Ryzen 7000-series CPU Specs and Pricing Leak, Ryzen 9 7950X Expected to hit 5.7 GHz

It's pretty clear that we're getting very close to the launch of AMD's AM5 platform and the Ryzen 7000-series CPUs, with spec details and even pricing brackets tipping up online. Wccftech has posted what the publication believes will be the lineup we can expect to launch in just over a month's time, if rumours are to be believed. The base model is said to be the Ryzen 5 7600X, which the site claims will have a base clock of 4.7 GHz and a boost clock of 5.3 GHz. There's no change in processor core or thread count compared to the current Ryzen 5 5600X, but the L2 cache appears to have doubled, for a total of 38 MB of cache. This is followed by the Ryzen 7 7700X, which starts out a tad slower with a base clock of 4.5 GHz, but it has a slightly higher boost clock of 5.4 GHz. Likewise here, the core and thread count remains unchanged, while the L2 cache also gets a bump here for a total of 40 MB cache. Both these models are said to have a 105 W TDP.

The Ryzen 9 7900X is said to have a 4.7 GHz base clock and a 5.6 GHz boost clock, so a 200 MHz jump up from the Ryzen 7 7700X. This CPU has a total of 76 MB of cache. Finally the Ryzen 9 7950X is said to have the same base clock of 4.5 GHz as the Ryzen 7 7700X, but it has the highest boost clock of all the expected models at 5.7 GHz, while having a total of 80 MB cache. These two SKUs are both said to have a 170 W TDP. Price wise, from top to bottom, we might be looking at somewhere around US$700, US$600, US$300 and US$200, so it seems like AMD has adjusted its pricing downwards by around $100 on the low-end, with the Ryzen 7 part fitting the same price bracket as the Ryzen 7 5700X. The Ryzen 9 7900X seems to have had its price adjusted upwards slightly, while the Ryzen 9 7950X seems to be expected to be priced lower than its predecessors. Take these things with the right helping of scepticism for now, as things can still change before the launch.
Source: Wccftech
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277 Comments on Potential Ryzen 7000-series CPU Specs and Pricing Leak, Ryzen 9 7950X Expected to hit 5.7 GHz

#51
phanbuey
TheLostSwedeOutside of the US, almost all countries bake VAT into retail pricing.
MSRP in US$ never includes sales tax / VAT.
Which to this day, I still don't understand why. This and the expected tipping to vendors who you have a contract with... just put the $(*&%& real price on the paper.

It's pointlessly convoluted.
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#52
Valantar
phanbueyWhich to this day, I still don't understand why. This and the expected tipping to vendors who you have a contract with... just put the $(*&%& real price on the paper.

It's pointlessly convoluted.
Yeah the US "there might be sales tax, but we won't tell you until the second before you're paying" thing is incredibly shady and misleading.
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#53
Nordic
phanbueyWhich to this day, I still don't understand why. This and the expected tipping to vendors who you have a contract with... just put the $(*&%& real price on the paper.

It's pointlessly convoluted.
It is deeply rooted as well. In the US, business who have expected tipping perform better than business that do not.
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#54
btk2k2
phanbueyIPC and DDR5 doesn't really matter for games as much as cache hits and latency. I would be willing to bet the 5800X3D on par with zen4 in gaming, or so close that it's indistinguishable. 7900 4 X3D w/ DDR5 and an IPC lift, now that will be something.

That's not to say zen 4 is bad -- but that the x3d is just such an insane gaming chip.
I expect Zen 4 to win but the margin probably won't be that great. Also the performance profile will be very different as I see the 5800X3D keeping the crown in stuff like MSFS, ACC etc but in some of the standard AAA fare I expect Zen 4 to do well.
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#55
fevgatos
Bomby569It's actually more a heat issue, not power consumption. Prebuilds and those included coolers with a new cpu, it will all go terrible wrong. And i guess people with stuff like the 212 (me) that was perfectly fine will probably need a new cooler. And if they don't yet another terrible experience.
You know you can power limit your cpu to whatever watts your cooler can handle, right?
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#56
mahirzukic2
fevgatosYou know you can power limit your cpu to whatever wants your cooler can handle, right?
Not only CAN you limit it, but the cpu is by DEFAULT limited by both the power and thermal envelope. If you happen to have a lower thermal cooling capacity cooler, the cpu will adapt to it and lower the voltage and clocks subsequently to cope with the thermals.
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#57
HD64G
Just a guess that the base all-core clocks are without the boosting and when TDP=power limit. The real all-core boost will be much closer to the single core boost when PBO on and the cooler is capable enough. That's why AMD demonstrated gaming at an all-core boost @5,5GHz without oc.
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#58
neatfeatguy
phanbueyWhich to this day, I still don't understand why. This and the expected tipping to vendors who you have a contract with... just put the $(*&%& real price on the paper.

It's pointlessly convoluted.
Hard to put a sweeping price on something in the US since taxes vary from state to state and even from county to county and even city to city.

Saying something is $500 (MSRP) is easier because sales tax may or may not apply to your living location. Or maybe certain items aren't taxed and others are.
An example: Wisconsin has sales tax on clothing. Minnesota does not.
In MN the county/city I live in, the sales tax is 7.38%.
If I were to drive into Minneapolis (roughly 30 minutes, depending on weather & traffic), the sales tax there is 8.03%.
If I go into Hennepin county - which Minneapolis happens to be in - (depending on the direction I go from where I live, about 5-10 minutes for me to cross the county lines) the sales tax is 7.53%

Easiest way to think of MSRP for the US would be to add at least 10% to the cost. If something shows a MSRP of $500, assume most people will pay upwards of $550 after taxes.
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#59
efikkan
LifeOnMarsNice. I've loved my AMD setups for the past few years and had no issues. If they keep it up I'll be staying with them. I may even go higher end as well, will give it a year and see how they pan out for people.
Zen 2 and 3 turned out well eventually, but had a bumpy ride with BIOS/firmware issues for several months (I believe it was 4+ months for Zen 3).
After maturity, they've been great though. My system which was built nearly one year ago has had zero crashes (if I recall correctly), and I run my computers for many months without reboot.
RedelZaVednoIt seems like AMD has adjusted its pricing downwards by around $100

Recession incoming:
With the current level of inflation we (as consumers) should be happy if we see prices anywhere close to this. And if we do, and AMD can supply enogh chips, then they should move a huge volume of products.
LionheartThose base clock speeds seem too good :wtf:
Achieving something like this would require very good engineering on top of an unusually well performing node.
Do you remember the Zen 2 rumors? At some point the >5 GHz hype was extreme, yet it turned out to be nonsense from a YouTube channel. So we'll see if the details of this article is true or not.
phanbueyIPC and DDR5 doesn't really matter for games as much as cache hits and latency. I would be willing to bet the 5800X3D on par with zen4 in gaming, or so close that it's indistinguishable. 7900 4 X3D w/ DDR5 and an IPC lift, now that will be something.

That's not to say zen 4 is bad -- but that the x3d is just such an insane gaming chip.
IPC is just the average instructions per clock. There are many changes to CPUs which can improve IPC, yet it varies from workload to workload (sometimes even application) whether these improvements translates into increase performance. Typically, increases in execution units, SIMD, etc. have little impact on games but massive impact on video or software rendering, while improvements to prefetcher, cache, etc. typically have more impact on games, yet both of these impact IPC.

I believe Zen 4 will also increase L2 cache, so a matchup here will be quite interesting.

But as for 5800X3D being an "insane gaming chip", that's more than a little exaggerated. There are some games where the gains are very large, but for most of them the gains are marginal in realistic resolutions. We don't know whether this kind of boost from increased L3 will continue with future games, but we do know that software which exhibit this kind of behavior is caused by instruction cache misses, and any good programmer could tell you that misses in instruction cache is primarily due to software bloat. So my point is that designing a CPU with loads of L3 is a double-edged sword; it will "regain" some performance lost due to bad code, but it may also "encourage" bad software design?

I'm more interested in what AMD may use this stacking technology for in the future. If it's just to add more L3 cache, then it's almost a gimmick in the consumer space. But if this someday leads to a modular CPU design where you can have e.g. 8 cores, but you can choose between a "base" version for gaming or one with extra SIMD for multimedia etc., but seamlessly integrated through multi-layer chiplets, then I'm for it.
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#60
Bomby569
fevgatosYou know you can power limit your cpu to whatever watts your cooler can handle, right?
then what's the point in paying for lobster and eating chicken?
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#61
Prima.Vera
TheLostSwedeDDR5 isn't really expensive any more. The prices are coming down almost daily.
Funny guy. You should check APAC prices :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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#62
TheLostSwede
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Looks like AMD or at least select partners will offer special DDR5 memory deals come September.
Prima.VeraFunny guy. You should check APAC prices :laugh::laugh::laugh:
Huh? That's what I am checking. DDR5 is really coming down in price here. AU and NZ doesn't apply.
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#63
phanbuey
neatfeatguyHard to put a sweeping price on something in the US since taxes vary from state to state and even from county to county and even city to city.

Saying something is $500 (MSRP) is easier because sales tax may or may not apply to your living location. Or maybe certain items aren't taxed and others are.
An example: Wisconsin has sales tax on clothing. Minnesota does not.
In MN the county/city I live in, the sales tax is 7.38%.
If I were to drive into Minneapolis (roughly 30 minutes, depending on weather & traffic), the sales tax there is 8.03%.
If I go into Hennepin county - which Minneapolis happens to be in - (depending on the direction I go from where I live, about 5-10 minutes for me to cross the county lines) the sales tax is 7.53%

Easiest way to think of MSRP for the US would be to add at least 10% to the cost. If something shows a MSRP of $500, assume most people will pay upwards of $550 after taxes.
While true, the rest of the world has figured this out -- the stores just put the actual price after taxes. The store knows where it is and if there's tax applied well ahead of you trying to buy something.

And yes, I too automatically calculate 10% overcharge when buying anything.
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#64
fevgatos
Bomby569then what's the point in paying for lobster and eating chicken?
You are assuming the CPU would be cheaper if it had a lower TDP. It wouldn't, so you are paying for chicken regardless of the power limit
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#65
Blaeza
fevgatosYou are assuming the CPU would be cheaper if it had a lower TDP. It wouldn't, so you are paying for chicken regardless of the power limit
I won't power limit my CPU as you are not getting what you pay for. I'd upgrade my cooler as you want to use it at it's full potential if I had say a 7600X... Hmm, going to have to have a meeting with the Mrs.
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#66
Wirko
efikkanI'm more interested in what AMD may use this stacking technology for in the future. If it's just to add more L3 cache, then it's almost a gimmick in the consumer space. But if this someday leads to a modular CPU design where you can have e.g. 8 cores, but you can choose between a "base" version for gaming or one with extra SIMD for multimedia etc., but seamlessly integrated through multi-layer chiplets, then I'm for it.
I was imagining additional L2 cache ... if 4 clock cycles of additional delay don't destroy performance too much. What's the L2 latency in Zen 3?
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#67
Bomby569
fevgatosYou are assuming the CPU would be cheaper if it had a lower TDP. It wouldn't, so you are paying for chicken regardless of the power limit
fair, looking at things that way, i guess it's a win.
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#69
Bomby569
BlaezaI won't power limit my CPU as you are not getting what you pay for. I'd upgrade my cooler as you want to use it at it's full potential.
but that was the issue i was mentioning, most people won't, they will just use a underpowered pc, this happens a lot, pre builds or even assembled builds by someone else, most people eally don't know much about pc's besides using them, it's definetely getting better but we are still a minority
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#70
fevgatos
BlaezaI won't power limit my CPU as you are not getting what you pay for. I'd upgrade my cooler as you want to use it at it's full potential if I had say a 7600X... Hmm, going to have to have a meeting with the Mrs.
If you think about it for more than a second, that statement is absolutely ridiculous. Youd pay the same amount regardless of the power limit. The 5600x had a lower power limit yet it cost more than the 3600x did at launch. And following your logic - since electricity costs money - your CPU users double the power at 125w instead of 65 but only performs 20% better, therefore you are not getting what you paid for the electricity.
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#71
TheLostSwede
News Editor
Prima.Verawww.amazon.co.jp/-/en/DDR5-6400-Domestic-OVERCLOCK-Purchase-F5-6400J3239G16GX2-TZ5RK/dp/B09R96GHDV/ref=sr_1_3?crid=OQYV1ZWAO2SO&keywords=ddr5-6400&qid=1659626000&sprefix=ddr5-6400%2Caps%2C183&sr=8-3

This is both ridiculous and callous price in Japan.
Ah, forgot to add Japan to that list. For some reason, all non Japanese products seem to be stupidly overpriced and many Japanese products are also stupidly overpriced there.
Can't see any pricing for that from here though.
Time to come visit isla formosa...
Basic 4800 MHz modules have been on sale here for as little as US$67 for 2x 8GB.
A pair of 6200 MHz V-Color Manta CL36 16 GB modules retail for US$263, which is about the same some 3600 MHz DDR4 low latency G.Skill modules are going for locally.
24h.pchome.com.tw/prod/DRAC0O-A900F2DCH?fq=/S/DRACC6
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#73
igralec84
Why does G.skill Trident Z 2x16gb 6400 cost almost double the 6000 version :confused: It's 290-350 eur for more or less any 6000 kit or 550-600 eur for the 6400 lol.
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#74
Blaeza
fevgatosIf you think about it for more than a second, that statement is absolutely ridiculous. Youd pay the same amount regardless of the power limit. The 5600x had a lower power limit yet it cost more than the 3600x did at launch. And following your logic - since electricity costs money - your CPU users double the power at 125w instead of 65 but only performs 20% better, therefore you are not getting what you paid for the electricity.
I'm a ridiculous kind of guy. :rockout: And I boil a full kettle, JUST FOR ME! :peace:
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#75
efikkan
WirkoI was imagining additional L2 cache ... if 4 clock cycles of additional delay don't destroy performance too much. What's the L2 latency in Zen 3?
If WikiChip is accurate, ≥12 cycles.
I have no idea about the latency on Zen 4 though. It is possible to maintain comparable latencies with good design and a good node, but we'll see.
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