Wednesday, September 21st 2022

EVGA Announces Cancelation of NVIDIA Next-gen Graphics Cards Plans, Officially Terminates NVIDIA Partnership

Towards the latter half of August, multiple EVGA employees involved in technical marketing and engineering had let us know privately that they were leaving the company for other ventures. When pushed further, several hinted towards some decisions being made by EVGA's management, including CEO Andrew Han, that would jeopardize their future. Some even went far enough to say they would share more in a few weeks time about how they felt exactly about their time there, the various issues that kept them from doing their best, and also that at least a couple of ex-employees were let go. TechPowerUp was doing due diligence in collecting the facts while keeping emotions aside from contacts who were understandably not in the best of moods, and one thing common across the board was there was something major coming up dealing with the EVGA GPU product line.

Today EVGA decided to throw a massive curve ball by formally announcing the company is canceling its plans to carry the next generation of graphics cards. Given EVGA's revenue sheets point to nearly 80% contribution from being an NVIDIA add-in card partner, this effectively also means an end to a long partnership with NVIDIA. The company's CEO confirmed as much to a few media channels citing poor margins and a challenging, stressful relationship that was no longer fruitful. There are no plans for EVGA to partner with AMD or Intel at this time when it comes to graphics cards and the company stressed they will continue to sell and support current-gen GPUs having retained enough units for RMA purposes too.
Jon Peddie Research also speculates EVGA is going to shift its priorities towards power supplies and motherboards instead that allow for higher margins and a more uniform, predictable sales pattern. Time will tell how EVGA, and indeed NVIDIA too who now has to re-distribute its GPU allocation among other partners and retail solutions, will come out of this split. It certainly does not seem to be an amicable one and we do not expect the partnership to resume anytime soon. This also affects companies who were no doubt planning on accessories for EVGA-branded GPUs, such as custom watercooling blocks from the usual suspects such as EKWB, Alphacool, and Bitspower.
What About Existing Customers
All existing owners of EVGA graphics cards will remain fully covered by warranties, including full replacements if needed. The company has withheld inventory of EVGA graphics cards from retailers (and will probably recall some perfectly-functional cards), so it has buffer stock to serve existing customers in need of total replacements or RMA.

What EVGA's Future Looks Like
EVGA CEO Andrew Han stated that the company has no plans as of now to partner with another GPU manufacturer like AMD or Intel, and the exit from the graphics card business will trigger an "imminent downsizing" of the company (to shed employees associated with the graphics card business). This could also be a subtle hint to AMD and Intel that if they're looking to work with EVGA, they should express interest right now.

Graphics cards made up over three-quarters of EVGA's revenue, and so we're not sure what the company could do next. If one were to speculate, the company could increase its presence in the prebuilt notebook and gaming peripherals businesses, and probably even ride the growth-cycle in the power-supply market with ATX 3.0 and PCIe Gen 5. Next-generation high-end graphics cards are expected to trigger upgrades among those with PSUs 4 years or older, as older PSUs, particularly mainstream ones, will find it hard to deal with the power excursions (spikes) of high-end PCIe Gen 5 graphics cards. The company could also retain its PCB engineering team to further develop its motherboard business. But all these are just speculation. Unless EVGA significantly invests in its other businesses, it's done.

How does this affect NVIDIA in the North American market?
EVGA was particularly popular in the North American market, among DIY PC enthusiasts. Other NVIDIA partners such as ASUS, could attempt to fill its void, but the distinct industrial design of EVGA will be lost, as would features such as iCX; and EVGA-exclusive customer programs such as trade-in upgrades. NVIDIA may also attempt to bring in new partners to the North American market to fill EVGA's void, such as GALAX (Galaxy), or Colorful, which are both major graphics card OEMs in the Chinese market. It will now fall on them to match the design and quality standards EVGA established. EVGA's exit will have minimal impact on NVIDIA's bottom-line, as those in the market for a GeForce graphics card will ultimately buy one from whichever brand.

NVIDIA's first reaction to this development is as follows:
"We've had a great partnership with EVGA over the years and will continue to support them on our current generation of products. We wish Andrew and our friends at EVGA all the best."
EVGA's full statement is as follows:
EVGA CEO Andrew HanEVGA has terminated its relationship with NVIDIA. EVGA will no longer be manufacturing video cards of any type, citing a souring relationship with NVIDIA as the cause (among other reasons that were minimized). EVGA will not be exploring relationships with AMD or Intel at this time, and the company will be downsizing imminently as it exits the video card market. Customers will still be covered by EVGA policies, but EVGA will no longer make RTX or other video cards. The company already made, 20 EVT samples of EVGA RTX 4090 FTW3 cards, but will not be moving to production and has killed all active projects pertaining to cards, including KINGPIN cards.
According to JPR, EVGA was the best-selling NVIDIA AIB in the US market, with a market-share of nearly 40%. NVIDIA would have lead its board partners to take its place.

Update Sep 21st: KINGPIN, a long time associate of EVGA, behind some of their fastest boutique graphics cards and motherboards, posted a note of gratitude for all the fans of EVGA + KINGPIN, and stated that KINGPIN Hardware may continue in some form.
I'm thankful for all the industry friends, old colleagues, etc. that reached out. It means a lot and I appreciate it. The news isn't received well ofc, and I'm mostly sorry for the fans and people that are passionate for our brand and everything that we have done here over the years at EVGA. If the KP hardware is meant to continue on in one way or another, I'm sure that it will :). The EVGA and PC hardware enthusiast community have been great to me and my teams here over the years, THANK YOU.
Update Sep 21st: Jensen Huang responded to a question about his thoughts on EVGA in a Q&A session today:
Jensen HuangYou know, Andrew (EVGA CEO) wanted to wind down the business, and he's wanted to do that for a couple of years. Andrew and EVGA were, are great partners and we're great partners, and I'm sad to see them leave the market. But, he's got other plans and he's been thinking about it for several years, so I guess that's about it. The market has a lot of great players and it will be served well after EVGA, but I'll always miss them, they were an important part of our history, Andrew is a great friend. I think that it was just time for him to go do something else."
Sources: Jon Peddie Research, Gamers Nexus, EVGA, Tae Kim (Twitter)
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536 Comments on EVGA Announces Cancelation of NVIDIA Next-gen Graphics Cards Plans, Officially Terminates NVIDIA Partnership

#126
R-T-B
RedBearThis one? Even after reading it, I'm still left wondering: what does it say then?
You are missing context at the end that is not posted.

Essentially, the adapters are a fire hazard if used improperly outside their intended use case. That's the context you are missing.
shovenoseI really would love it if they’d partner with Intel Arc. They need a strong AIB partner.
I would too, but first ARC has to be worth buying. Hopefully it will get there.
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#127
Dr. Dro
AusWolfNvidia is being hated by more and more people for their shady business practices. When it's all confirmed by their partners leaving them, they'll have to see that something has to change (I know it won't).
Unfortunately, much like amongst the Apple patronage, the average joe doesn't really care about their anti-competitive practices or their black box approach that is extremely hostile to user-modification and open-source development. As for me, it's safe to say this RTX 3090 may very well be the last NVIDIA GPU I will own in the foreseeable future.
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#128
RandallFlagg
trparkyEspecially if AMD comes out with APUs with RDNA3 onboard.
Yes, that's what I'm thinking, from both Intel and AMD.

But AMD is already going to deal a blow to the dGPU market with Zen 4. Consider, for like 12+ months every single Zen 3 sold *had* to have a dGPU. And even now, all the high performance 'X' Zen 3 *have* to have a dGPU.

Not everyone cares about GPUs, in fact *most* PC users don't care about that. I think dGPU market penetration hit 30-35% at its recent height during Covid lockdowns, and it is normally more like 20-25%. So basically, if we say AMD gets 20% of the desktop market, that's roughly 50M PCs.

If just half of those people who buy AMD do not buy a dGPU because they are fine with the iGPU, then that is 25M fewer dGPUs that will sell in the next year. And I'd bet it will be more than half.
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#129
R-T-B
lexluthermiesterHoly meadow muffins Batman! What the actual hell EVGA? You make the best cards in the industry! What the hell are we going to do now?
I'm going to be looking at another vendor to shortlist, that's for sure. Any advice on a good partner nvidia side? I already have my "whitelist" AMD side. And of course I always consult reviews.

EVGA actually shipped me a few cards that were outright awful, I won't lie. One of them killed PCIe sockets. But they made up for it by paying for the damage and issuing a hefty store credit. Rare to see a company own up to it's mistake like that. I for one will miss them.

The majority of their products have not caused me any issues.
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#130
AusWolf
R-T-BI'm going to be looking at another vendor to shortlist, that's for sure. Any advice on a good partner nvidia side? I already have my "whitelist" AMD side. And of course I always consult reviews.

EVGA actually shipped me a few cards that were outright awful, I won't lie. One of them killed PCIe sockets. But they made up for it by paying for the damage and issuing a hefty store credit. Rare to see a company owe up to it's mistake like that. I for one will miss them.

The majority of their products have not caused me any issues.
I will miss them too. They were probably the most user-friendly bunch of all. The rest could learn from them how to do RMA and sales (direct order and queuing on their own website during the shortage).

This leaves my whitelist with Asus only, unfortunately. MSi has a few decent cards, but it's kind of a hit-and-miss and their software is awful. Zotac and Palit cards seem to be pretty basic, which is nice in the low/mid-tier, but I'm not sure I would trust them in the high-end. Gigabyte is a big no-no for me. That's it for the UK partners, I'm afraid.
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#131
cerulliber
american EVGA done, means chinese Colorful iGame Kudan will be the fastest nVidia card period.
untill another company will emerge.
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#132
matar
What:eek: No way... this is like XFX back in the days i used to by Nvidia XFX like 8800GTX then they stopped Nvidia but they went to ATi now its AMD and now EVGA just completely Stopped :banghead:
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#133
nguyen
AusWolfI will miss them too. They were probably the most user-friendly bunch of all. The rest could learn from them how to do RMA and sales (direct order and queuing on their own website during the shortage).

This leaves my whitelist with Asus only, unfortunately. MSi has a few decent cards, but it's kind of a hit-and-miss and their software is awful. Zotac and Palit cards seem to be pretty basic, which is nice in the low/mid-tier, but I'm not sure I would trust them in the high-end. Gigabyte is a big no-no for me. That's it for the UK partners, I'm afraid.
Asus GPU are nice, even the cheapest models from Asus use better VRM components than EVGA high-ends
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#134
AusWolf
nguyenAsus GPU are nice, even the cheapest models from Asus use better VRM components than EVGA high-ends
True. Although, I liked Evga for their simplicity. They were probably the last to force RGB onto every card they sold, and even then it was discreet.

I was thinking about selling my Evga 2070 as it's only been collecting dust for months, but considering this news, I'll keep it as a memento.
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#135
R0H1T
Dr. DroUnfortunately, much like amongst the Apple patronage, the average joe doesn't really care about their anti-competitive practices or their black box approach that is extremely hostile to user-modification and open-source development. As for me, it's safe to say this RTX 3090 may very well be the last NVIDIA GPU I will own in the foreseeable future.
Their (loyal) user base isn't that big, Apple's got at least 10x more sheep behind their piper! If gaming goes to the gutter you'll see the (same) kinds of length Intel went to, to now compete with AMD. That one line, from Nvidia, Steve mentioned in one of his videos was quite telling ~ We don't compete on price.

Well you effin do, you just haven't realized accepted that yet :rolleyes:
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#136
AusWolf
R0H1TTheir (loyal) user base isn't that big, Apple's got at least 10x more sheep behind their piper! If gaming goes to the gutter you'll see the (same) kinds of length Intel went to, to now compete with AMD. That one line, from Nvidia, Steve mentioned in one of his videos was quite telling ~ We don't compete on price.

Well you effin do, you just haven't realized accepted that yet :rolleyes:
That depends on the person. For me, it's true (they don't compete on price) as I wouldn't buy an Apple product for 1 quid. ;)
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#137
Dr. Dro
R0H1TTheir (loyal) user base isn't that big, Apple's got at least 10x more sheep behind their piper! If gaming goes to the gutter you'll see the (same) kinds of length Intel went to, to now compete with AMD. That one line, from Nvidia, Steve mentioned in one of his videos was quite telling ~ We don't compete on price.

Well you effin do, you just haven't realized accepted that yet :rolleyes:
Perhaps in absolute numbers, but in our PC realm, GeForce holds the overwhelming majority of the market share and has an unparalleled mindshare.

Radeon's fight is still very much uphill, even after the strides and inroads made by AMD with the exceptional performance of the RDNA 2 series, the commercial success of Ryzen and the "AMD Ryzen | Radeon" program. I know quite a few people that won't touch a red team graphics card with a barge pole, and yet these people are actually rather open-minded towards Intel, likely by association with their traditionally strong CPU lineup.

I don't think our gaming hobby is going to the gutter, though some rough seas might be ahead. :D
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#138
TechLurker
I'm half-expecting that their threat to terminate their GPU employees is mostly an attempt to get AMD or Intel to the negotiation table with favorable terms or they'd lose out and have to invest more to get EVGA to reclaim the staff.

Regardless, I'd like to see EVGA actually host both AMD and Intel; as their tuning division did lead to some pretty impressive projects both on the mobo side and the GPU side, and both AMD and Intel could stand to benefit from having an experienced team of OC'ers pushing their cards to the limit.

Personally, I'm a bit biased, and would love for EVGA to mostly become another AMD-exclusive GPU partner, especially one that can put out halo cards (KINGPIN) that rival that of GALAX' and Colorful's most extreme offerings (HOF and Kudan respectively), as well as further deepen their mobo support for AMD. The rest of AMD's GPU partners don't really go that extreme with their offerings (Sapphire's Toxic comes close), and neutral partners like ASUS are biased towards NVIDIA (their hybrid Matrix cooler being NVIDIA-only instead of both NVIDIA and Radeon).
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#139
64K
For those looking to replace EVGA I can recommend MSI cards. My last 4 cards have been MSI and they all lasted a long time. They generally get favorable reviews with the possible exception of the Ventus line.
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#140
Chomiq
Well I've been stuck in their queue since the Ampere launched, so that explains it.
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#141
Zubasa
thesmokingmanThat's the kind of thinking that led to this lmao.
Unfortunately this is the kind of mind set the vast majority of the GPU market shares.
Dr. DroPerhaps in absolute numbers, but in our PC realm, GeForce holds the overwhelming majority of the market share and has an unparalleled mindshare.

Radeon's fight is still very much uphill, even after the strides and inroads made by AMD with the exceptional performance of the RDNA 2 series, the commercial success of Ryzen and the "AMD Ryzen | Radeon" program. I know quite a few people that won't touch a red team graphics card with a barge pole, and yet these people are actually rather open-minded towards Intel, likely by association with their traditionally strong CPU lineup.

I don't think our gaming hobby is going to the gutter, though some rough seas might be ahead. :D
At least someone gets it.
It takes a lot to make nVidia budge at all at their current dominance.
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#142
R0H1T
Dr. DroI don't think our gaming hobby is going to the gutter, though some rough seas might be ahead.
Not necessarily PC gaming per se but a lot of GeForce "gaming" cards were sold to miners & that well has dried up, at least till the next mining boom which I hope never comes! As a percentage of the total spent on (computing) hardware that pie is also shrinking, though spends on electronics in general is going down as well in part because of market saturation. Basically IMO people are spending less on "discretionary" spends like gaming (hardware) than they used to & I believe this is going to be a trend going forward.
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#143
Bwaze
If it's Nvidia's fault, we will see other partners struggling too - EVGA was one of the biggest, healthiest.

Maybe they gambled, took a very, very large order of high end Ampere cards when the crypto buying wave was high, and then Nvidia pressured them to sell that in a market without buyers, but bound their hands with high minimum card price?
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#144
R0H1T
ZubasaIt takes a lot to make nVidia budge at all at their current dominance.
Right so let's stop buying their products unless you really have no alternative, speak with your vote wallet. Companies don't change on their own ~ never have & never will, you need to make them change!
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#145
watzupken
This news says a lot about partnering with Nvidia. And it shows it is not easy working with the likes of Nvidia. Given that EVGA sells GPU, and specifically Nvidia GPUs as their main product, throwing in the towel on Nvidia GPU also means that they lose a huge chunk of sales. To me, ending the partnership is a drastic move, and irrational if it is not for compelling reasons. I am not sure if EVGA partnering with the likes of AMD and Intel will ever help them recover sales like they did with Nvidia cards.
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#146
claes
I still can’t believe they made a public announcement before letting their employees know. Sure, they say they’re not going to lay people off, but good luck with that.
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#147
ypsylon
Wow, seriously. Just WOW!

Overwhelming majority of my GPUs are still EVGA and until Threadripper all my motherboards were exclusively from EVGA, but to be honest there was something in the air for past couple years.

EVGA basically abandoned EU market which in itself is suicidal if you care about profit margins. All replacements and new things are sent from Taiwan which added ridiculous amount of red tape. Recently EVGA ceased the EVGA bucks without any explanation why. Well now connecting the dots its pretty obvious why all of that happened.

Well, all I can say. Best of luck chaps and gals. You were sole beacon of light of the corporate IT World where consumer was paramount value. Never, ever experienced product support like EVGA. In one case guys even replaced my ESD dead X99 Classified for free (except 15Euro S&H) despite the fact it was couple months after the warranty period. Love you guys. :love:
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#148
HTC
R0H1TRight so let's stop buying their products unless you really have no alternative
I did that many years ago when i found out about "their business practices": i refuse to support a company that engages in such practices, and i enforce such opinion "with my wallet" by buying from their competition.
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#149
AusWolf
A little something to remember Evga cards by...

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#150
bket007
it's crazy already that nvidia is shooting itself in the foot with the prices of gpus being too expensive and losing their best gpu company plus rtx everyone doesn't care nvidia is just dead
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