Thursday, November 3rd 2022

AMD Announces the $999 Radeon RX 7900 XTX and $899 RX 7900 XT, 5nm RDNA3, DisplayPort 2.1, FSR 3.0 FluidMotion

AMD today announced the Radeon RX 7900 XTX and Radeon RX 7900 XT gaming graphics cards debuting its next-generation RDNA3 graphics architecture. The two new cards come at $999 and $899—basically targeting the $1000 high-end premium price point.
Both cards will be available on December 13th, not only the AMD reference design, which is sold through AMD.com, but also custom-design variants from the many board partners on the same day. AIBs are expected to announce their products in the coming weeks.

The RX 7900 XTX is priced at USD $999, and the RX 7900 XT is $899, which is a surprisingly small difference of only $100, for a performance difference that will certainly be larger, probably in the 20% range. Both Radeon RX 7900 XTX and RX 7900 XT are using the PCI-Express 4.0 interface, Gen 5 is not supported with this generation. The RX 7900 XTX has a typical board power of 355 W, or about 95 W less than that of the GeForce RTX 4090. The reference-design RX 7900 XTX uses conventional 8-pin PCIe power connectors, as would custom-design cards, when they come out. AMD's board partners will create units with three 8-pin power connectors, for higher out of the box performance and better OC potential. The decision to not use the 16-pin power connector that NVIDIA uses was made "well over a year ago", mostly because of cost, complexity and the fact that these Radeons don't require that much power anyway.

The reference RX 7900-series board design has the same card height as the RX 6950 XT, but is just 1 cm longer, at 28.7 cm. It is also strictly 2.5 slots thick. There's some white illuminated elements, which are controllable, using the same software as on the Radeon RX 6000 Series. Both cards feature two DisplayPort 2.1 outputs, one HDMI 2.1a and one USB-C.
This is AMD's first attempt at a gaming GPU made of chiplets (multiple logic dies on a multi-chip module). The company has built MCM GPUs in the past, but those have essentially been the GPU die surrounded by HBM stacks. The new "Navi 31" GPU at the heart of the RX 7900 XTX and RX 7900 XT features seven chiplets—a central large graphics compute die (GCD), surrounded by six memory control-cache dies (MCDs). The GCD is built on the TSMC 5 nm EUV silicon fabrication process—the same one on which AMD builds its "Zen 4" CCDs—while the MCDs are each fabricated on the TSMC 6 nm process.

The GCD contains the GPU's main graphics rendering machinery, including the front-end, the RDNA3 compute units, the Ray Accelerators, the display controllers, the media engine and the render backends. The GCD physically features 96 RDNA3 Unified Compute Units (CUs), for 6,144 stream processors. All 96 of these are enabled on the RX 7900 XTX. The RX 7900 XT has 84 out of 96 unified compute units enabled, which works out to 5,376 stream processors. The new RDNA3 next-generation compute unit introduces dual-issue stream processors, which essentially double their throughput generation-over-generation. This is a VLIW approach, AMD does not double the rated shader count though, so it's 6144 for the full GPU (96 CU x 64 shaders per CU, not 128 shaders per CU).

Each of the six MCDs contains a 64-bit wide GDDR6 memory interface, and 16 MB of Infinity Cache memory. Six of these MCDs add up to the GPU's 384-bit wide memory interface, and 96 MB of total Infinity Cache memory. The GCD addresses the 384-bit wide memory interface as a contiguous addressable block, and not 6x 64-bit. Most modern GPUs for the past decade have had multiple on-die memory controllers making up a larger memory interface, "Navi 31" moves these to separate chiplets. This approach reduces the size of the main GCD tile, which will help with yield rates. The Radeon RX 7900 XTX is configured with 24 GB of GDDR6 memory across the chip's entire 384-bit wide memory bus, while the RX 7900 XT gets 20 GB of GDDR6 memory across a 320-bit wide memory bus (one of the MCDs is disabled). The disabled MCD isn't not "missing", but there's some dummy silicon dies there to provide stability for the cooler mounting.

Each CU also features two AI acceleration components that provide a 2.7x uplift in AI inference performance over SIMD, and a second-generation RT accelerator that provides new dedicated instructions, and a 50% performance uplift in ray tracing performance. The AI cores are not exposed through software, software developers cannot use them directly (unlike NVIDIA's Tensor Cores), they are used exclusively by the GPU internal engines. Later today AMD will give us a more technical breakdown of the RDNA3 architecture.
For the RX 7900 XTX, AMD is broadly claiming an up to 70% increase in traditional raster 3D graphics performance over the previous-generation flagship RX 6950 XT at 4K Ultra HD native resolution; and an up to 60% increase in ray tracing performance. These gains should be good to catch RTX 4080, but AMD was clear that they are not targeting RTX 4090 performance, which comes at a much higher price point, too.
AMD is attributing its big 54% performance/Watt generational gains to a revolutionary asynchronous clock domain technology that runs the various components on the GCD at different frequencies, to minimize power draw. This seems similar in concept to the "shader clock" on some older NVIDIA architectures.
AMD also announced FSR 3.0, the latest generation of its performance enhancement, featuring Fluid Motion technology. This is functionally similar to DLSS 3 Frame Generation, promising a 100% uplift in performance at comparable quality—essentially because the GPU is generating every alternate frame without involving its graphics rendering pipeline.
The new dual-independent media-acceleration engines enable simultaneous encode and decode for AVC and HEVC formats; hardware-accelerated encode and decode for AV1, and AI-accelerated enhancements. The new AMD Radiance Display Engine introduces native support for DisplayPort 2.1, with 54 Gbps display link bandwidth, and 12 bpc color. This enables resolutions of up to 8K @ 165 Hz with a single cable; or 4K @ 480 Hz with a single cable.
The "Navi 31" GPU in its full configuration has a raw compute throughput of 61 TFLOPs, compared to 23 TFLOPs of the RDNA2-based Navi 21 (a 165% increase). The shader and front-end of the GPU operate at different clock speeds, with the shaders running at up to 2.30 GHz, and the front-end at up to 2.50 GHz. This decoupling has a big impact on power-savings, with AMD claiming a 25% power-saving as opposed to running both domains at the same 2.50 GHz clock.
AMD claims the Radeon RX 7900 XTX to offer a 70% performance increase over the RX 6950 XT.

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336 Comments on AMD Announces the $999 Radeon RX 7900 XTX and $899 RX 7900 XT, 5nm RDNA3, DisplayPort 2.1, FSR 3.0 FluidMotion

#201
Hxx
HxxNvidia has not released a competitor to the 7900xt. The 4080 is not out . A 4090 is faster and logically amd will not show a bunch of graphs with 4090 being faster and it’s also not even in the same price tier. So they showed a bunch of fluff and compared against their prior lineup.nothing new or unusual .
ARFHow do you know? The TPU performance chart clearly shows that RTX 4090 is only 53% faster than the RX 6950 XT, while AMD's slide shows up to 70% performance increase.
With the same success I can tell you that RX 7900 XTX will be faster than RTX 4090 and RTX 4090 needs a 50% price reduction, otherwise no one will buy it except the diehard core nvidia fanboys/girls.
Don’t get me wrong I wish the 7900xtx will be faster than a 4090 . that would be like a tech Christmas gift to gamers and a big middle finger to nvidia but I don’t see it .. especially with dlss and nvidia grabbing gamers with ray tracing benchmarks etc.
the bigger point is that the 7900xtx doesn’t need to beat a 4090. It’s way cheaper and if its consistently faster than a 4080 then that’s a win for amd
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#202
AusWolf
mahoneyThey barely showed them this time and when they did they used RT+FSR ffs. THAT'S MY POINT
What are they hiding and are not willing to show us?
We'll see on 13th December. ;)
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#203
medi01
mahoneyNo idea why you mentioned the 4080.
Which of the two?

The 12 GB 4080 that was "unlunched" thanks to AMD? :D
Or the 16GB 4080 that is slower, yet has MSRP of $1200 (and god knows what hidden markup via AIBs)?

Should I instead mention a card with a street price of 2300 Euro instead? Why? :D
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#204
mahoney
Yeah like the AMD cards are gonna sell at their MSRP prices right? You really are deluded
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#205
neatfeatguy
mahoneyYeah like the AMD cards are gonna sell at their MSRP prices right? You really are deluded
The 4090s are selling at MSRP. Inventory trickles in and goes out. Why won't AMD's sell for MSRP?

If the cards launch and they don't list at the MSRP price range, then you can make this claim. If you're talking about people scalping, then that's your own fault for paying those scalper prices.
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#206
mahoney
neatfeatguyThe 4090s are selling at MSRP. Inventory trickles in and goes out. Why won't AMD's sell for MSRP?

If the cards launch and they don't list at the MSRP price range, then you can make this claim. If you're talking about people scalping, then that's your own fault for paying those scalper prices.
Where is the 4090 selling for MSRP? They're over 2300€ in Europe
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#207
neatfeatguy
mahoneyWhere is the 4090 selling for MSRP? They're over 2300€ in Europe
Boo-hoo. Sucks to be you then. They're at MSRP in the States. If I want to sit outside a MicroCenter on their delivery days I could get one for MSRP, but I'm not senile enough to waste my money on one.
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#208
mahoney
neatfeatguyBoo-hoo. Sucks to be you then. They're at MSRP in the States. If I want to sit outside a MicroCenter on their delivery days I could get one for MSRP, but I'm not senile enough to waste my money on one.
No they're without added tax in the States
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#209
80-watt Hamster
mahoneyNo they're without added tax in the States
MSRP in the Sates means MSRP plus applicable taxes. We who live here accept that's how it works. If I buy a thing with a $100 MSRP for $100, I pay $105 in North Dakota (perhaps more depending on city and/or county). That does not mean I bought the thing for more than MSRP.
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#210
Vayra86
mahoneyNo they're without added tax in the States
They're not, their VAT is just a lot lower. In EU, 20+% is the norm.

We're stuck on a continent that isn't producing its own shit and isn't the home turf for all the brands we want to buy from. If we get MSRP, the market is well seeded and inventory must go. Its not right now. And we have too much money regardless, so inflated pricing still sells, that's the long and short of it. We're our own problem, really.

Our first world problems are our problems, it has nothing to do with MSRP/actual GPU value/store pricing, so just take MSRP and don't add your own sauce over it. Every locale has its issues. For our high tax pressure, we get those tiny bonuses in life like working and effective health insurance/healthcare, much better social security, now in two layers as the EU also has an opinion (and executive power) on that, and a few more pieces of protection here and there.

Hey and there's another side of the coin for not producing our own chips, we also don't have massive lakes of black sludge filled with toxic waste & chemicals. At least, not quite as many as they do elsewhere. Be careful what you wish for.
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#211
revanoctis
At this price will we have any supply issues? The 4090s are still selling out at $1800+. I assume lots of people will go for the $999 7900 XTX.
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#212
AusWolf
mahoneyOh so the 4090 wasn't the rival ? Oh ok because it seems all the bullshit speculations just a few days ago from Adored - said the performance leap was gonna be generational and Moore's Law is dead who also bs'ed the big performance gains...
Also TPU benchmarks are flawed since Wizzard used the 5800x. There's almost a 7% difference between the 5800x and the 12900k at 4k
www.techpowerup.com/review/rtx-4090-53-games-ryzen-7-5800x-vs-core-i9-12900k/2.html
It's clear as day how many amd fanboys there are can't even see how sus the whole presentation was.


I've shown you proof that in the last 5 years they've ALWAYS shown their cherrypicked benchmarks. But ok
The 4090 isn't the rival here. It was clear right from the point when they revealed the $999 starting price. Or do you seriously think AMD would miss out on $600 profit for every single card sold for no reason?

Also:
1. Forget about Moore's Law Is Dead. That channel is all speculation and no facts. Utter rubbish.
2. Why are you still hung up on a frekkin' presentation? It was that: a presentation. What more do you want?

No product launch presentation has revealed any usable benchmark number compared against anything. Ever.
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#213
Braegnok
neatfeatguyI forget how easy it is for one side to get triggered when these presentations or possible leaks come out. This is some good shit here, listening to hardcore fans of Nvidia trying hard to defend the 4090 and then seeing what the hardcore AMD fans are rebutting with.

Wish I had some popcorn.

I like the more realistic pricing provided by AMD here, but I'm not thrilled about pricing still being so high when compared to just a few generations back. I know technology advances and that prices go up (inflation, scarcity, demand, wage increases, etc), but when we were all seeing high end cards such as the 980Ti at MSRP of $650 or the AMD R9 Fury X MSRP of $649.
How about the GTX 1080 MSRP of $599 (and the 1080Ti MSRP of $$699) or the Vega 64 MSRP of $499.

Oh well, I guess I just dwell on the old pricing of better days and keep hoping things will settle down more. At least AMD isn't trying to rake people over the coals with extreme pricing like Nvidia is doing now.

I truly hope the 7900 cards put's Nvidia to shame. Even if they can't quite match the 4090, but if they can kick the crap out of the 4080 16GB and do it for $200-300 less, that would be awesome.
I'll be on-line shopping Dec 13th hoping to buy the RX 7900 XTX reference card,.. along with thousands of bots, scalpers, and others like me,.. lol

After doing some quick napkin mathematics,.. the 7900 XTX is indeed faster than my RTX 3090 Ti,..

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#214
medi01
mahoneyAMD cards are gonna sell at their MSRP prices right?
I don't know (and that was not the point).

The point was to stop referring to 2300 Euro card as "$1600".

Whatever AMD does, we'll see soon enough. And then we can compare. Something tells me, that 300mm2+37*6mm2 that has already DOA-ed 12GB 4080, might not stop the bloodbath and finish 4080 16GB too.


The fine detail of how DRASTIC the drop from 4090 to 4080 is, is quite telling.
No RT whining (7950XTX beats 3090Ti at RT, lol) and no levels of FUD can fix that.

MCM, motherf*cker!!!
neatfeatguyThey're at MSRP in the States.
Oh, sure, John.

Across bestbuy and newegg, the only stuff in stock is $2300+ (wait, where have I seen that figure? Mm)




www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/amd-announces-the-999-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-and-899-rx-7900-xt-5nm-rdna3-displayport-2-1-fsr-3-0-fluidmotion.300632/page-9#post-4874248


Or as part of pre-built PC that costs 4000+.

"The more you pay buy, the more you save" (c) The Leather Man
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#215
ARF
AusWolfThe 4090 isn't the rival here. It was clear right from the point when they revealed the $999 starting price. Or do you seriously think AMD would miss out on $600 profit for every single card sold for no reason?
This is assuming that nvidia dictates the prices and there is no free market influence from the competition and the customers who both have an interest to lower the prices, because obviously no one buys RTX 4090 for that insane abnormally high pricing.

RTX 4090 is literally a garbage card.
- low DP 1.4 support
- ultra heavy - can cause breakages in one's case
- hot
- power hungry
- super ultra expensive
- wrong software - no proper modern user interface, lock-in the users to log-in in order to use some more functionality
- EVGA that held 40% of the US market for nvidia cards said no and left the partnership with nvidia
- low quality power connector which burns and causes electrical issues
- something else that I missed?
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#216
medi01
What 7900XTX did to 12GB 4080, before the latter was "unlaunched"

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#217
THU31
BzucoWhat is the correct number of shader units? 6144 according official AMD site, or 12288?
This is kind of interesting. They did mention something about double instructions per clock. But the die size and 61 TFLOPS definitely suggest 12288, at least effectively.
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#218
neatfeatguy
medi01Oh, sure, John.

Across bestbuy and newegg, the only stuff in stock is $2300+ (wait, where have I seen that figure? Mm)

Nice find there on Newegg!
So nice of you to post a picture of a 4090 that's not listed at MSRP because it's being sold by someone that is not newegg. It's just someone that has a 4090 is trying to hook a sucker into paying almost $1k over MSRP.

I'll leave this picture here for you, I highlighted in yellow and added a couple of red arrows to show you who the seller is. Clearly it's not newegg. I'm glad you're basing your thoughts that these cards are not being sold at MSRP due to what scalpers are hoping you'd pay.



As I said before, the cards are selling at MSRP. Just because you can't find one in your neck of the world or even with relative ease here in the States, doesn't mean they are not selling at MSRP.
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#219
ARF
What's the difference between $2535 and $1599? Scalper tax?

BTW, how will they sell the Radeon RX 7900 XT 24 GB for 1195 euro and the RX 7900 XT 20 GB for 1075 euro if they still keep these prices?:

Radeon RX 6900 XT - 749 euro
Radeon RX 6950 XT - 899 euro - lowest price currently available in Germany.
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#220
medi01
neatfeatguybecause it's being sold by someone that is not newegg
This is the right time for you to shine and link 4090 at newegg sold for $1600.

Oh, you can't? Hm, why could that be... what a mystery...
ARFWhat's the difference between $2535 and $1599? Scalper tax?
Remember how 2080Ti had "MSRP" of "$999"?
That is, with some nuances, the same way 4090 has "MSRP" of "$1600".
ARFBTW, how will they sell the Radeon RX 7900 XT 24 GB for 1195 euro and the RX 7900 XT 20 GB for 1075 euro if they still keep these prices?:
That is a good question and AMD could well start to get into playing the Leather Man's filthy game.

The key here is that we don't know, if it will (it well might).
But we know FOR SURE that NV definitely was lying about $1600 being 4090's MSRP.
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#221
neatfeatguy
medi01This is the right time for you to shine and link 4090 at newegg sold for $1600.

Oh, you can't? Hm, why could that be... what a mystery...
Once you find a legitimate retailer for the Nvidia 4090 (not a third party seller) and they have it listed for above MSRP, please let us know. But, I'll go a head and post sites that are selling 4090s, sure, it sucks they're currently out of stock, but they do list and sell them at MSRP and at the suggested price the AIBs have made clear when they have inventory.

Here's newegg. I see them all at their suggested price.....no card being sold by newegg is over any MSRP or suggested AIB pricing.


Let's try....best buy! Nothing above MSRP or listed AIB price for these cards.


How about we look at Micro Center?


Dang it....they have all their listings at MSRP or suggested AIB pricing! I don't understand..... You said the cards aren't selling for their listed pricing, but I can't seem to corroborate your findings. I can, however, find listings for RTX 4090 cards from places that are third party sellers and they have their card(s) listed for way above MSRP.

If someone wants to buy a card from a scalper/third party and spend more than MSRP or suggested AIB pricing, then that's on them.

Thankfully, the ignore function on the TPU forums here are wonderful. I do hope you enjoy the rest of your day and hopefully you don't let all the pricing and leaks of future GPUs continue to sour your time on the forums.
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#222
mahoney
And they're all sold out. While those in stock have insane markup prices
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#223
medi01
neatfeatguyLet's try....best buy! Nothing above MSRP or listed AIB price for these cards.
Oh.
neatfeatguy.they have all their listings at MSRP
Ah.
neatfeatguyIf someone wants to buy a card
Uh.

They can buy it right?
Or wait, t hey can NOT buy it, right?
Since it's sold out?

But at least they can see that "the price is real"?
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#224
wheresmycar
nguyenMight as well grab a 6800XT for 550usd now if you don't care about RT, upscaling, video encoding, etc...
6800 XT doesn't cut it for me.... i prefer a wider performance gap over my existing card for a couple of graphically intense games which im invested in (1440/144). The 7800** sounds like a plan for a devised ~$800 budget but unfortunately it wasn't announced for release which sucks. Anyway, it looks like the GPU upgrade plan of action has shifted from 2022 to 2023. Actually i'm kinda proud of myself too... finally drew a line by setting a budget with realistically meaningful performance targets in mind.
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#225
mahoney
So AMD confirmed. The 7900xtx is a 4080 competitor that's why they didn't show the benchmarks :roll:
[Radeon RX 7900 XTX] is designed to go against 4080 and we don’t have benchmarks numbers on 4080. That’s the primary reason why you didnt see any NVIDIA compares. […] $999 card is not a 4090 competitor, which costs 60% more, this is a 4080 competitor.
— Frank Azor to PCWorld
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