UTVOL06You must not even have a clue when it comes to the overclocking potential of a good 13900KS or good 14900K CPU.

That's because i don't have to. X3D performance the best out of the box. I dont have to OC, validate stability and purchase and learn a custom loop just to keep up with X3D at triple the power draw.

UTVOL06The stock P core frequency for when there are 3-8 active P cores is 5.6Ghz on the 13900KS and E cores are set to 4.3Ghz.

So a 300-400Mhz overclock at even more increased power draw that requires a custom loop?
That some "amazing" OC headroom there.

UTVOL06Efficiency matters only to a certain degree when it comes to a gaming desktop CPU. If you have a custom water loop you can cool a lot more wattage/power consumption on the CPU.

At what cost? Custom loop is not cheap, nor is it easy to get into for most people.

UTVOL06you AMD fanboys are all the same...all I see out of them is arguing about efficiency.

Im not an AMD fanboy. I owned i5-2500K OC'ed to 4.7Ghz from 2011 to 2019. 2500K had stock base 3.3Gnz and boost 3.7Ghz. That's a whole extra 1Ghz of OC. Back when OC actually mattered and did not require expensive custom loop and could be cooled by a simple HSF tower cooler, not at triple the power draw.

From 2019 i went to 3800X and now 5800X3D from 2022. I fail to see how that makes me a fanboy. I always buy that which makes most sense for my needs at any given moment. Right now it's AMD. In the future it could be Intel again, but first they have to produce something that does not require OC and custom loop to reach peak performance at the cost of efficiency. Electricity is very expensive where i live so even with a desktop PC it matters a lot to me.

UTVOL06I'm sick and tired of AMD fans bashing on intel.

As if Intel fans did not bash AMD during the Bulldozer era? Now you know how AMD users felt at the time.
Intel is a multi billion dollar megacorporation. They dont need people defending them in forums and social media.
I much prefer the products themselves do the talking. Make a good product and people will buy it.

UTVOL06but this blind AMD fanboyism and bandwagon loyalty has got to stop

You're framing the argument as to say AMD users are stupid. I hope I read that wrong.
Also, as we have a climate crisis on our hands, saving energy should 2nd nature no matter what situation you're in.
My computer sits right next to me on the table, and I can't hear it while gaming, that has to count for something as well. #noise

So, back on-topic, I mainly play Cyberpunk lately at 1920*1200 with full ray tracing and ray reconstruction and so on.
As a photographer with an eye for shadows, I love what they have done to the game and I can't play without maxing out the settings.
My 4060Ti handles things fine with frame generation, enough so that I can under-volt my card as well only using 120 watts in game.
So, now that I've explained how and why I play it like this, do you hate me?

You guys can argue all you please but in Cyberpunk 2077, it doesn't matter what CPU you rock, both Intel and AMD systems crash in this game because it's a cesspool of bugs. Deal with it.

FietserI mainly play Cyberpunk lately at 1920*1200

FietserAs a photographer with an eye

These two don't line up together. You are losing A LOT of details due to running this game at such a low resolution. CP2077 was meant to run at 4K.

FietserYou're framing the argument as to say AMD users are stupid. I hope I read that wrong.
Also, as we have a climate crisis on our hands, saving energy should 2nd nature no matter what situation you're in.
My computer sits right next to me on the table, and I can't hear it while gaming, that has to count for something as well. #noise

So, back on-topic, I mainly play Cyberpunk lately at 1920*1200 with full ray tracing and ray reconstruction and so on.
As a photographer with an eye for shadows, I love what they have done to the game and I can't play without maxing out the settings.
My 4060Ti handles things fine with frame generation, enough so that I can under-volt my card as well only using 120 watts in game.
So, now that I've explained how and why I play it like this, do you hate me?

No I definitely didn't mean to seem like I was calling AMD owners stupid at all. It's just the extremists of the brand that cause the issues. Also, with a custom water loop like I recently installed it allows you to run your radiator fans a lot more quiet than with what you would on a fan cooler or AIO. There is absolutely no animosity towards you or any other member on here so please don't take it that way. We should have a right to pick which CPU brand we feel fits us best and not crap on one another's choices. All I was venting about was that there has been an awful lot of flack on the internet and youtube from AMD fans where they just repeatedly bash and dump on anyone that likes intel's product offerings. I think we should respect each other's choices. Thanks

UTVOL06There is absolutely no animosity towards you or any other member on here so please don't take it that way.

Thanks, that's good to hear. On the internet and the way you wrote it, that was hard to guess.
So, what do you think of this Cyberpunk update? (I always try to stay on-topic in my posts)

FietserThanks, that's good to hear. On the internet and the way you wrote it, that was hard to guess.
So, what do you think of this Cyberpunk update? (I always try to stay on-topic in my posts)

I had stuttering issues with the new Hybrid CPU performance option that is now available in this update that supposedly tells Cyberpunk to exclusively use the Intel 13900/14900k P cores instead of the e cores, but there must be some sort of conflict with the built in hardware scheduler. I set it back to "Auto", which basically makes it run like it did before the update and turns the P core priority feature off. We shall have to wait until they get the issues worked on in this specific feature they just added.

My next chip was going to be the 8800x3d or 9800x3d anyway, but this is still pretty cool of them.