AusWolfARM in PC, and the whole AI thing was always going to be a failure, as long as there isn't any benefit to a Regular Joe. Is "know your customer base" not a thing anymore?

clopeziAI would be, for sure. ARM can be a game changer for laptops, x86 has been failing for years to make responsible battery use and proper suspension states.

AusWolfARM in PC, and the whole AI thing was always going to be a failure, as long as there isn't any benefit to a Regular Joe. Is "know your customer base" not a thing anymore?

john_Battery life is an important reason for people constantly on the go. With more apps getting native ARM versions and compatibility improving, I see ARM getting a good slice of windows market in the near future. Also some big OEMs like Dell seem to be friendlier to Qualcomm than AMD, so I am expecting them to promote ARM based laptops more than AMD based laptops. That will also help ARM in the laptop market. And that's before Mediatek getting in the game, meaning cheaper ARM based laptops and Nvidia getting in the game, meaning more powerful in gaming ARM based laptops.
I can see a 20% market share by 2027.

AusWolfBattery life is an important factor you can sell a laptop by, I'll give you that. But AI isn't, especially when there is no way any home user could or would want to use AI for anything.

john_While Microsoft and Qualcomm will be pushing AI in marketing, many consumers will be going in the store asking simply for a windows laptop with the best battery life. Many of them will be ending with an ARM based laptop at hand.
AI marketing affects as mostly, by breaking our nerves for now, but it might sell to typical consumers who will be amazed by it, even not knowing what exactly is.

Another think I remembered from a Linus sponsored review is the quality of the webcam on ARM based laptops. That could also sell a few.

john_While Microsoft and Qualcomm will be pushing AI in marketing, many consumers will be going in the store asking simply for a windows laptop with the best battery life. Many of them will be ending with an ARM based laptop at hand.
AI marketing affects as mostly, by breaking our nerves for now, but it might sell to typical consumers who will be amazed by it, even not knowing what exactly is.

Another thing I remembered from a Linus sponsored review is the quality of the webcam on ARM based laptops. That could also sell a few.

JWNoctisAt least AI actually does something.

AusWolfLike what?

AusWolfARM in PC

clopeziuse and proper suspension states.

JWNoctisArguably not quite a real problem, when both major x86 CPU manufacturer's mobile offerings idle well below 5W and with the cores fully parked and powered down,

john_Also some big OEMs like Dell seem to be friendlier to Qualcomm than AMD

JWNoctisRemember when they sold "64-bit" Pentium 4 systems installed with 32-bit Windows XP, back when there was zero driver support for a lot of things if you actually went 64-bit? At least AI actually does something.

That's marketing for you. :oops:

AusWolfLike what?

Snapdragon X CPUs account for a mere 0.3% of submissions in the past 30 days. This is a massive contrast to the 99.7% share held by traditional x86 processors from Intel and AMD, which raises questions about the immediate future of ARM-based PCs. The underwhelming adoption comes despite bold predictions from industry leaders. Qualcomm CEO Cristiano Amon had projected that ARM-based CPUs could capture up to 50% of the Windows PC market by 2029.

Lew ZealandSo after 1.8% of the time predicted it's 0.6% of the way there. As these things are never linear, that seems a reasonable market penetration in all of a month. But of course that kind of analysis rarely grabs headlines and eyeballs so we get the copy above.

Lew ZealandSo after 1.8% of the time predicted it's 0.6% of the way there. As these things are never linear, that seems a reasonable market penetration in all of a month. But of course that kind of analysis rarely grabs headlines and eyeballs so we get the copy above.

persondbThe thing is that there were thousands to ten of thousand of units shipped to reviewers. And reviewers are the kind of users that are heavily biased into running benchmark software such as Passmark, which likely mean that the current rate is over represented due to the large portion of reviewers. This happen in a lot of product cycles, specially ones that have more limited stock, i.e. paper launch or didn't have good initial sales(think similarly if it was the MSI claw, wouldn't it be more likely that the benchmarks are done by reviewers considering that people barely brought into it?).

So this does paint a very bad look into early market penetration and that in my opinion it seems like it's not selling well.

There might also be an argument that early users might also be more biased to run benchmark software due to this being the 'new class of hardware'(windows on arm) that promised great performance. There is no proof for that though, but you might think it makes sense. If true to some extent, it could make up for an even worse picture.

phanbueyNew products usually see an initial spike in first adopters - unless it flops like the apple VR headset. This is a hard flop.

If you look at most 'new' tech that's good it moves alot of initial volume. The initial intel macs and the M1 sold like hotcakes, ipod, iphones, AMD Zen (couldn't keep mobos in stock), the list goes on. Very rarely does a product ease into market penetration without that initial excitement - this is more like an Intel ARC or a microsoft Zune.

I have some friends who work at dell and best buy -- the sales on these are abysmal, and the return rates are also very high. I don't see this gaining share.

JWNoctisArguably not quite a real problem, when both major x86 CPU manufacturer's mobile offerings idle well below 5W and with the cores fully parked and powered down, unless we are talking about tablets and netbooks. But it's true that more battery life is always welcome.

Neo_MorpheusI wonder who's fault is it here, hardware or MS?

Lew ZealandBunch of assumptions and guesses there but no data. I'll stick with the data and we'll see how it goes over the next 6 months or so.

I don't think it'll proceed very quickly because WOA doesn't have the money behind it that Apple did for the transitions you mention but you can also use Apple to argue just the opposite: The transition from OS 9 to OS X was very slow in penetration and happened while Apple was at an ebb and many saw bankruptcy looming. All the decks were stacked against success. I certainly didn't think they were gonna go anywhere and it took a long time before they did. But they did.

Lew ZealandBunch of assumptions and guesses there but no data. I'll stick with the data and we'll see how it goes over the next 6 months or so.

I don't think it'll proceed very quickly because WOA doesn't have the money behind it that Apple did for the transitions you mention but you can also use Apple to argue just the opposite: The transition from OS 9 to OS X was very slow in penetration and happened while Apple was at an ebb and many saw bankruptcy looming. All the decks were stacked against success. I certainly didn't think they were gonna go anywhere and it took a long time before they did. But they did.