Thursday, January 30th 2025

AMD Radeon 9070 XT Rumored to Outpace RTX 5070 Ti by Almost 15%

It would be fair to say that the GeForce RTX 5080 has been quite disappointing, being roughly 16% faster in gaming than the RTX 4080 Super. Unsurprisingly, this gives AMD a lot of opportunity to offer excellent price-to-performance with its upcoming RDNA 4 GPUs, considering that the RTX 5070 and RTX 5070 Ti aren't really expected to pull off any miracles. According to a recent tidbit shared by the renowned leaker Moore's Law is Dead, the Radeon RX 9070 XT is expected to be around 3% faster than the RTX 4080, if AMD's internal performance goals are anything to go by. MLID also notes that RDNA 4's performance is improving by roughly around 1% each month, which makes it quite likely that the RDNA 4 cards will exceed the targets.

If it does turn out that way, the Radeon RX 9070 XT, according to MLID, should be roughly around 15% faster than its competitor from the Green Camp, the RTX 5070 Ti, and roughly match the RTX 4080 Super in gaming performance. The Radeon RX 9070, on the other hand, is expected to be around 12% faster than the RTX 5070. Of course, these performance improvements are limited to rasterization performance, and when ray tracing is brought to the scene, the performance improvements are expected to be substantially more modest, as per tradition. Citing our data for Cyberpunk 4K with RT, MLID stated that his sources indicate that the RX 9070 XT falls somewhere between the RTX 4070 Ti Super and RTX 3090 Ti, whereas the RX 9070 should likely trade blows with the RTX 4070 Super. Considering AMD's track record with ray tracing, this sure does sound quite enticing.

Of course, it will all boil down to pricing once the RDNA 4 cards hit the scene. If AMD does manage to undercut its competitors from NVIDIA by a reasonable margin, there is no doubt that RDNA 4 will be the better choice for most people. However, with NVIDIA's undeniable lead in ray tracing, paired with DLSS 4, will presumably make things more complicated than ever before. It is unclear what AMD has up its sleeve with FSR 4. Recent rumors do point at pretty good compatibility, but as with all rumors, be sure to accept any pre-release whispers with a grain of salt.
Source: MLID via YouTube
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112 Comments on AMD Radeon 9070 XT Rumored to Outpace RTX 5070 Ti by Almost 15%

#101
3valatzy
chrcolukAMD for years are behind on the software side, they may have had a eye candy control panel, but things like SGSSAA lacking, FSR inferior to DLSS, and not so great DX9/11 performance.
Rumours are FSR4 will be exclusive to the new cards, whilst Nvidia are pushing out a DLSS update for 7 year old cards, AMD has to address these sort of things, in the mean time they have to do what they did with Zen1, heavily subsidise price for market share. 5-10% here and there, is not enough if they serious about it. A 20-30% under cut at minimum.
And the computing performance of Radeons is extremely low.






This is greed in its poorest form.

I don't think they have time to save the graphics business. Even today the Radeon department is on an artificial life-saving breathing by other niches which are included in the financial sheets in order to be not so obvious that Radeon will be dead soon.

Next news soon - AMD to stop producing Radeon cards and exit the market altogether!
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#102
Vya Domus
3valatzyNo one in their right mind would buy a slow 16GB card for so much. It's 2025 already. Give us 24 or 32 GB VRAM !
Nvidia when they charge 2000$ for more VRAM : wholesome chungus

AMD should give us 32GB for 2$ :mad::mad::mad::mad:
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#103
AusWolf
Jtuck9For the people who care amount numbers its an improvement. I imagine for people who have use cases outside of gaming (per se) it's also an improvement.
Improvement... I keep asking: what is? You can't keep saying that "it's an improvement" without saying what aspect of it is.
Jtuck9"If AMD does manage to undercut its competitors from NVIDIA by a reasonable margin, there is no doubt that RDNA 4 will be the better choice for most people."
That's just the typical "AMD is cheap shit and should act like it" crap I don't agree with. If AMD produces a solid product, I won't mind paying a reasonable amount for it, even if it's just a little under Nvidia - just enough to call it sane. I'm not expecting them to give anything away for free and to beg for me to buy their card.
Jtuck9Also, didn't Nvidia get kudos for making DLSS 4 was backwards compatible?!
Yes, kudos for that (it should have been like that with all previous versions), but not for the 5080.
3valatzyAnd the computing performance of Radeons is extremely low.






This is greed in its poorest form.
How about this?
www.techpowerup.com/331776/amd-details-deepseek-r1-performance-on-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-confirms-ryzen-ai-max-memory-sizes
3valatzyI don't think they have time to save the graphics business. Even today the Radeon department is on an artificial life-saving breathing by other niches which are included in the financial sheets in order to be not so obvious that Radeon will be dead soon.

Next news soon - AMD to stop producing Radeon cards and exit the market altogether!
How about consoles?
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#104
3valatzy
Vya DomusAMD should give us 32GB for 2$ :mad::mad::mad::mad:
:roll:

32GB for 500$ is called revolution and progress. Natural selection - you adapt or disappear.
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#105
rattlehead99
The Norwegian Drone PilotDoesn't help AMD anything at all on having 15% more performance here when AMD lacks all of the great features the NVIDIA GPU have. I would gladly have 10-15% lower performance in trade for the awesome features the NVIDIA GPUs comes with.

The awesome feature set is one of the reasons why NVIDIA sells like hot cakes.
According to rumors RDNA4 should rival Blackwell in both Ray Tracing and upscaling.
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#106
jesdals
Is that Nvidia 15% value or AMD 15% value? Or perhaps real world value 15% - nah thats impossible - will wait for TPU review
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#107
Denver
3valatzyAnd the computing performance of Radeons is extremely low.






This is greed in its poorest form.

I don't think they have time to save the graphics business. Even today the Radeon department is on an artificial life-saving breathing by other niches which are included in the financial sheets in order to be not so obvious that Radeon will be dead soon.

Next news soon - AMD to stop producing Radeon cards and exit the market altogether!
Nah.. in reality, AMD consistently outperforms its direct competitors across all segments in terms of raw computing power. While CUDA optimization does offer an advantage by enhancing weaker hardware, the tests referenced above were conducted under suboptimal conditions.
TPU utilized outdated software and unrealistic scenarios, such as employing small models that run efficiently even on iGPUs to measure the performance of high-end GPUs. Furthermore, the larger, more realistic models typically used to evaluate GPUs' capabilities do not fit within the VRAM limits of most NVIDIA GPUs, with the exception of the RTX 4090 and RTX 3090. Therefore, it is evident that these tests present a biased perspective.(Even if it's not intentional)


**Constructive criticism:** It would be more effective to use larger LLMs. KoboldCPP (YellowRoseCx/koboldcpp-rocm) could be utilized for the image generation test, providing a straightforward way to ensure that the API operates under the same conditions. Additionally, Blender could be updated to the latest version to leverage better optimization and, maybe explore EEVEE Next, offering a more balanced comparison.
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#108
Hiner101
mkppoThe other thing I noticed is in the nvidia 5xxx reviews TPU had that strange, unexpected and frankly unnecessary line about not being sure if AMD will be in the GPU space in a couple of years. Didn't really expect it from them as it was...idk something the trashy rumor sites would post and i'll stop at that
Don’t worry, you’re not alone!
It’s the first thing I noticed, and I’m sure everyone else did too. A totally unnecessary personal comment from a fanboy not a reviewer. It stood out so much while reading that it felt completely out of place, like it was just stuck there on purpose. The review, lacking impartiality, was completely ruined. It could have said anything, and I’m sure every negative aspect was avoided or even removed.

If I were the editor-in-chief, there would definitely be a serious talking-to! In your free time, you’re free to express whatever you want on leak and rumor sites, but when you work for us, since our job is to provide reviews, there are "rules" to follow. Otherwise, our credibility is worth zero. People need to see us as credible and unbiased or they go elsewhere. What a fall TPU!
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#110
AusWolf
Hiner101Don’t worry, you’re not alone!
It’s the first thing I noticed, and I’m sure everyone else did too. A totally unnecessary personal comment from a fanboy not a reviewer. It stood out so much while reading that it felt completely out of place, like it was just stuck there on purpose. The review, lacking impartiality, was completely ruined. It could have said anything, and I’m sure every negative aspect was avoided or even removed.

If I were the editor-in-chief, there would definitely be a serious talking-to! In your free time, you’re free to express whatever you want on leak and rumor sites, but when you work for us, since our job is to provide reviews, there are "rules" to follow. Otherwise, our credibility is worth zero. People need to see us as credible and unbiased or they go elsewhere. What a fall TPU!
The reviewer is the editor-in-chief in this instance.
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#111
Jtuck9
Hiner101Don’t worry, you’re not alone!
It’s the first thing I noticed, and I’m sure everyone else did too. A totally unnecessary personal comment from a fanboy not a reviewer. It stood out so much while reading that it felt completely out of place, like it was just stuck there on purpose. The review, lacking impartiality, was completely ruined. It could have said anything, and I’m sure every negative aspect was avoided or even removed.

If I were the editor-in-chief, there would definitely be a serious talking-to! In your free time, you’re free to express whatever you want on leak and rumor sites, but when you work for us, since our job is to provide reviews, there are "rules" to follow. Otherwise, our credibility is worth zero. People need to see us as credible and unbiased or they go elsewhere. What a fall TPU!
"The rumor mill also churns out something on graphics. Depending on how the Radeon RX 9000 series and RDNA 4 fare in the market, AMD could revisit the enthusiast segment with its next generation UDNA architecture that the company will make common to both graphics and compute. The company's next-generation discrete GPUs will be built around the TSMC N3E foundry node."

www.techpowerup.com/331230/amd-to-build-zen-6-ccd-on-tsmc-3nm-process-next-gen-ciod-and-siod-on-4nm
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#112
mkppo
Hiner101Talking about raw power from AMD see this published last week, raw power is the one thing that has never been lacking in AMD architectures:

chipsandcheese.com/p/sizing-up-mi300as-gpu
Yeah MI300X/A are compute monsters and it's no secret that in many benchmarks it slaps the Nvidia H100 around. Problem is, leveraging the power isn't a small feat so it's mostly the largest hyperscalers and the like who end up utilizing these. Meanwhile if you're anyone smaller, it's just a lot easier to deploy Nvidia clusters because of the support you get.

The 300A is an APU too, but the sheer size is such that 24 Zen 4 cores are sitting in one corner and the complexity is astonishing. Seeing Turin, Instinct etc always makes me think of what AMD can do, and what crumbs they feed the client side. But it is what it is.
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