Thursday, January 30th 2025
AMD Radeon 9070 XT Rumored to Outpace RTX 5070 Ti by Almost 15%
It would be fair to say that the GeForce RTX 5080 has been quite disappointing, being roughly 16% faster in gaming than the RTX 4080 Super. Unsurprisingly, this gives AMD a lot of opportunity to offer excellent price-to-performance with its upcoming RDNA 4 GPUs, considering that the RTX 5070 and RTX 5070 Ti aren't really expected to pull off any miracles. According to a recent tidbit shared by the renowned leaker Moore's Law is Dead, the Radeon RX 9070 XT is expected to be around 3% faster than the RTX 4080, if AMD's internal performance goals are anything to go by. MLID also notes that RDNA 4's performance is improving by roughly around 1% each month, which makes it quite likely that the RDNA 4 cards will exceed the targets.
If it does turn out that way, the Radeon RX 9070 XT, according to MLID, should be roughly around 15% faster than its competitor from the Green Camp, the RTX 5070 Ti, and roughly match the RTX 4080 Super in gaming performance. The Radeon RX 9070, on the other hand, is expected to be around 12% faster than the RTX 5070. Of course, these performance improvements are limited to rasterization performance, and when ray tracing is brought to the scene, the performance improvements are expected to be substantially more modest, as per tradition. Citing our data for Cyberpunk 4K with RT, MLID stated that his sources indicate that the RX 9070 XT falls somewhere between the RTX 4070 Ti Super and RTX 3090 Ti, whereas the RX 9070 should likely trade blows with the RTX 4070 Super. Considering AMD's track record with ray tracing, this sure does sound quite enticing.
Of course, it will all boil down to pricing once the RDNA 4 cards hit the scene. If AMD does manage to undercut its competitors from NVIDIA by a reasonable margin, there is no doubt that RDNA 4 will be the better choice for most people. However, with NVIDIA's undeniable lead in ray tracing, paired with DLSS 4, will presumably make things more complicated than ever before. It is unclear what AMD has up its sleeve with FSR 4. Recent rumors do point at pretty good compatibility, but as with all rumors, be sure to accept any pre-release whispers with a grain of salt.
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MLID via YouTube
If it does turn out that way, the Radeon RX 9070 XT, according to MLID, should be roughly around 15% faster than its competitor from the Green Camp, the RTX 5070 Ti, and roughly match the RTX 4080 Super in gaming performance. The Radeon RX 9070, on the other hand, is expected to be around 12% faster than the RTX 5070. Of course, these performance improvements are limited to rasterization performance, and when ray tracing is brought to the scene, the performance improvements are expected to be substantially more modest, as per tradition. Citing our data for Cyberpunk 4K with RT, MLID stated that his sources indicate that the RX 9070 XT falls somewhere between the RTX 4070 Ti Super and RTX 3090 Ti, whereas the RX 9070 should likely trade blows with the RTX 4070 Super. Considering AMD's track record with ray tracing, this sure does sound quite enticing.
106 Comments on AMD Radeon 9070 XT Rumored to Outpace RTX 5070 Ti by Almost 15%
Nothing is a coincidence in this space. Its easy to figure out what's really happening: just look at who benefits most. Clearly its MLID. Ergo its bullshit. And here we have TPU reposting this drivel.
Its also the usual way of an AMD launch: radio silence from AMD, lots of speculation, always someone overhyping the product somewhere at some point and the community following suit, and then it drops and we're all disappointed because we expected more.
"However, with NVIDIA's undeniable lead in ray tracing, paired with DLSS 4, will presumably make things more complicated than ever before."
I personally think that high end competition is reserved for UDNA (or whatever follows this generation)
www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidia-neural-rendering-deep-dive-full-details-on-dlss-4-reflex-2-mega-geometry-and-more
www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/amd-research-suggests-plans-to-catch-up-to-nvidia-using-neural-supersampling-and-denoising-for-real-time-path-tracing
It would certainly be interesting to see a benchmark regarding how this scales. Supposedly Microsoft are unsure about using 3D VCache on their new X-Box and with their DX12 neural rendering and Phil Spencer saying he'd like more hardware innovation as a differentiator going forward it will also be interesting to see what they having cooking.
$400 for the 9070 and hopefully $300 for the 9060XT and $220 for the 9060.
With that logic, the 7600 would have deserved one, too, as it succeeded the 6600 XT which was a good card.Like what?That's what I call empty marketing talk. Let's look at that "undeniable lead in ray tracing".
Yeah, massive improvement there. A whole 7 percent! :rolleyes:
Or should I say zero percent?
www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-xt-pulse/31.html
Cost per RT is subjective, not everyone is willing to pay more for a feature,especially one that won't run well on a midrange card without upscaling and fake frames.
The launch price and marketing is what AMD keeps screwing up on, though launch price doesn't bother me much as I don't buy anything on launch day. The 4070Ti is pure "the more you buy the more you save" greed since $800 was stupid for an xx70Ti card and it still is, even more so when Nvidia sandbags on it and released a refresh a year later.The editors choice award isn't the same as highly recommended, highly recommended means the reviewer personally recommends the card and I'm sure plenty of readers take the highly recommended award seriously. And the only cards I would've given editors choice to would be the xtx and the 4080 Super, the 7900XT was too expensive at launch, and so was the 4080.
But I could care less what the review recommends personally, too many are biased for Nvidia when they get the product for free. I care about the objective performance of the card. The only conclusion I pay attention to is the one from Gamers Nexus, he's the only reviewer who isn't in love with Nvidia.The 5080 got the recommended badge because the reviewer claimed its the "only GPU to buy". Even though someone could easily buy a used 4080 or 4090. As others have said TPU is nvidia flavored, a good way to put it lol, so the conclusion is expected.
Didn't you also mention how you don't care about frame gen etc?
I think every review is amd biased since they get amd cards for free.
If it's true, then someone give me unlimited access to that 5-star wellness, and I'll say that the current Nvidia flagship is humanity's best invention since beer and sex every time a new one comes out. :roll:
"If AMD does manage to undercut its competitors from NVIDIA by a reasonable margin, there is no doubt that RDNA 4 will be the better choice for most people."
I'm personally wondering if the frame generation numbers are a portent or an indication of relative neural rendering performance. It's something I've mentioned about factoring in to my next GPU purchase.
Also, didn't Nvidia get kudos for making DLSS 4 was backwards compatible?!
But as per the usual you'll hear nvidia does this when amd does the exact same thing, lol.
Rumours are FSR4 will be exclusive to the new cards, whilst Nvidia are pushing out a DLSS update for 7 year old cards, AMD has to address these sort of things, in the mean time they have to do what they did with Zen1, heavily subsidise price for market share. 5-10% here and there, is not enough if they serious about it. A 20-30% under cut at minimum.