demian_viYou not saying AMD is in any way at fault but with your very first message you are mocking them instead of Asus. You are just biased and it shows. Every untrue statement and reality mention doesn't hide that.

Vayra86Note that the time between the release of Zen and Zen 3 is a mere 2,5 ~3 years now. One could question the practical use of switching hardware yearly or even bi-yearly, especially with the baby steps we're getting gen to gen.

Vya DomusBuy our new motherboards so we can make more money, eh ?

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Haile SelassiePEG gen4 works as intended on top two slots on Crosshair VII Hero (both M.2 and x16 PEG). Signal coherence is nominal. This is a dick move to say the least.

marcin2468And now rest of motherboard vendors likely do the same announcement, no support for ryzen 5000 on x470 top boards. Probably now it's good time to sell x470 when they worth something.

iuliugAll other manufacturers are silent on this subject. MSI will probably support their 400 series chipsets as they are legally liable after the promises they made. Others who knows - but you can bet they will not invest a lot to make that compatibily easy if they will do it.

ador250AMD will officially give AGESA binary update for B450 and X470 chipset to all manufacturers. There is no AMD fault here, AMD keep their promises. Now it's up to the manufacturers if they want cash grab or long term loyalty.

Chrispy_The only fault here lies with Asus for using the smallest, cheapest, most underspecced FLASH ROM they could find for a $250 motherboard. Even some cheap MSI B450 boards have 32GB ROMs for future CPU model support.

ASUS are becoming the Nvidia/Apple of the DIY PC building scene; High prices for average products that they enforce built-in-obsolescence on.

Vote with your wallet people, Asrock and Gigabyte make great hardware too and MSI would get a green light if they weren't morally/ethically in deep doodoo at the moment for 'shenanigans'.

TheLostSwedeI don't think you understand the complexities of this. PCIe standards have to be certified with the PCI SIG and this means that you need to meet certain standards. For one, this wasn't possible across all X470 and B450 boards. Even the best X470 boards apparently couldn't quite meet the PCIe 4.0 spec and at 99% compliance, you're sadly not compliant. This would've mean version 2.x boards, but it seems like this idea was dropped in favour of selling X570 boards, both from the board makers side and AMDs side. And how do you know it worked as "intended" on that board? Yes, there was a beta UEFI that enabled PCIe 4.0, but was it really working as intended?
Just saying it's a dick move without understanding the underlaying reasons, is a dick move imho.


Or not. Gigabyte is apparently planning support for most, if not all of their X470 and B450 boards at some point after AMD releases the correct AGESA for them.


Because they haven't gotten the final AGESA from AMD yet and until they have it, they can't actually promise anything, hence why it's been quiet.


In all fairness though, AMD only agreed to this after a few hundred thousand virtual pitchforks came out on the internet, as initially they weren't going to support those platforms. Without the backlash they got, this wouldn't even be a thing.


32GB ROM? I think you need to check your specs...
It's 32MB at most.

Chrispy_Typo, Captain Pedantic, but yes.

robbdoes seem kind of crappy for a mobo that was released just 2.5 years ago and many people bought those up until the x570 in July of last year. that said if you are not happy with whatever cpu that you are using in that mobo then I would think that you would also want to upgrade to a more modern platform. just sell your mobo and cpu together which is what i do when I upgrade.

TheLostSwedeI don't think you understand the complexities of this. PCIe standards have to be certified with the PCI SIG and this means that you need to meet certain standards. For one, this wasn't possible across all X470 and B450 boards. Even the best X470 boards apparently couldn't quite meet the PCIe 4.0 spec and at 99% compliance, you're sadly not compliant. This would've mean version 2.x boards, but it seems like this idea was dropped in favour of selling X570 boards, both from the board makers side and AMDs side. And how do you know it worked as "intended" on that board? Yes, there was a beta UEFI that enabled PCIe 4.0, but was it really working as intended?
Just saying it's a dick move without understanding the underlaying reasons, is a dick move imho.

Haile SelassieYou're putting words in my mouth. C7H has official support for PEG gen4 on the two top most slots as the signal attenuation is within standard limits (-28dB).

But to put it more to point, PEG gen4 support has nothing to do with ASUS removing support for next gen CPUs, even though the X570 and X470 motherboards use exactly the same size EEPROM chip (256Mbit). The chip is pin compatible, the ucode is compatible as well since A520, B550 and X470 are more or less the same MCU with certain functionality disabled. Remember that storage and PEG gen4 controller is in CPU, not in PCH. The only major difference between X470 and B550 boards is the more strict signal attenuation tolerance for PEG gen4 - but again, this has nothing to do with new CPU support as PEG gen4 can easily be disabled on all X470 motheboards when used with 5000 series CPU. By default.

So please, refrain from calling people names and defend the shitty company.

And, if we're precise, PCI SIG doesn't qualify the motherboards, they are merely the top governing body for the PCI standard. Like JEDEC for DRAM.

It's like saying USB IF qualifies every USB product. Get real.

the54thvoidAMD might not be happy about that. I wonder if the ensuing uproar will prompt them to have a word in Asus ear?

Vya DomusAM4 made any platform Intel ever put out look like a joke.

marcin2468And now rest of motherboard vendors likely do the same announcement, no support for ryzen 5000 on x470 top boards. Probably now it's good time to sell x470 when they worth something.

TheLostSwedeThat's a pretty major typo...
It's hardly being pedantic, as it makes your post factually incorrect, despite the rest of it being more or less right.

HellfireI'd argue the generational changes between each gen are more than baby. 48% increase in speed between two generations (c20)... hardly babysteps.

3 slides sure but the rest continue in the same way....
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TheLostSwedeNo it doesn't, as no X470 or B450 board has official PCIe 4.0 support, end of discussion.
It was not possible for any of the board to pass the PCI SIG certification, so AMD removed support in the AGESA.
The PCI SIG does test all PCIe implementations, as if you want to be able to sell your product as PCIe compliant, you have to go through the certification.
That's also why there's a searchable database of all approved products.
pcisig.com/developers/integrators-list

The USB IF also has a certification program, so no, I'm not going to "get real" as I actually work with these things, unlike you, who clearly make shit up as you go along.
www.usb.org/compliance

Did I say it had anything to do with Asus support for next gen CPUs? I was simply explaining that you didn't understand the issue of PCIe 4.0 support on the X470 and B450 boards. The rest, is something you made up by clearly not understanding my reply.

I am not defending Asus, seriously dude, your reading comprehension is severely lacking.

As a n00b here, you should also consider your manners, as some of us here have decades long industry experience and actually know what we're talking about.

Vayra86Yes you make a good point in that sense. its not baby. But still, upgrading multiple times in the time frame of just 3 years now is pretty exceptional for most users. Not for enthusiasts... but as you can see by the approach of ASUS we're not a big enough group to give two flying *f*s about... And its not the first time, and its not just ASUS either.

More importantly though, do you get my point now? AMD is letting the market push decide whether their promise of support for boards/sockets is ongoing or not. AMD's just saying 'run with whatever you like' apparently, and not 'you must, you shall, provide support like we say'. The latter would be a true move towards customers and not companies. Right now its 'up in the air' and this is a mutually beneficial business decision for AMD and board partners, but not for end users. And AMD can just pass the blame to ASUS (rightly so -mind) but a better agreement with them would be a true solution.