Uhm, hasn't the 7nm node been delayed a lot more than just a year by now?

Intel fixed its 7nm node yet the first 7nm processors won't be launched for at least 2 more years. This is the weirdest fix ever. (NB back in 2019 Intel's 7nm processors were also only 2 years away.)

Progress!

havnt we been here before ?. smoke n mirrors me thinks :) . fingers crossed anyways.

I don't see a "have fixed" somewhere in the article or in news. What we understand from Intel's comments, is that there are no delays, at least nothing bad happened those last 3 months.

You have to consider 7nm not only delivers a new node, but also the next processes Intel foundries will develop on. When you lose one, you lose the other. You cannot adopt another foundry without banishing your own.
This is good news. Production will continue. Intel has to give the right signals in order to continue as an independent manufacturer.

I feel the lack of fabs goes far beyond Intel. Wherever you look, it seems there's only shortages and inflated prices :(
Of course, Intel just happens to have hit a low within an industry-wide low, which doesn't really help.

bugI feel the lack of fabs goes far beyond Intel. Wherever you look, it seems there's only shortages and inflated prices :(
Of course, Intel just happens to have hit a low within an industry-wide low, which doesn't really help.

There are plenty fabs, the issue is that most of those fabs are not producing at small enough nodes, nor do they use large enough wafers to produce the kinds of chips that there is a shortage of.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants

Number of open fabs currently listed here: 529

TheLostSwedeThere are plenty fabs, the issue is that most of those fabs are not producing at small enough nodes, nor do they use large enough wafers to produce the kinds of chips that there is a shortage of.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants

Yes, that's what I meant. I know "old" fabs stick around for a while because not everything needs to be built on cutting-edge nodes.
Tbh, I'm not even sure if there are too few cutting edge fabs available or demand has just soared. Either way, it still sucks for end-users.

Edit; Going over that list, I didn't realize there are so many fabs states-side. Also, where does Taiwan put all those fabs? Do they expand Dutch-style? :P

TheLostSwedeThere are plenty fabs, the issue is that most of those fabs are not producing at small enough nodes, nor do they use large enough wafers to produce the kinds of chips that there is a shortage of.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants

If only there is a way to easily standardize and make design more portable between fabrication node, I am sure plenty of people and AIB willing to take on Ampere/Navi fabricated on Intel 14nm, Glofo 12nm or, god forbid, some ancient 28nm node only suitable for a 3050(ti), considering the persistent shortage and prices.

VerpalIf only there is a way to easily standardize and make design more portable between fabrication node, I am sure plenty of people and AIB willing to take on Ampere/Navi fabricated on Intel 14nm, Glofo 12nm or, god forbid, some ancient 28nm node only suitable for a 3050(ti), considering the persistent shortage and prices.

Sorry, but that's impossible. You can't jump node sizes like that without re-doing the entire chip layout.

TheLostSwedeSorry, but that's impossible. You can't jump node sizes like that without re-doing the entire chip layout.

That's what I tried deliberating, without a present node, there is no development for a future node. It is done, the costs are too high to start over.

I think people should realise that there is a serious mis-reporting issue going on at Intel, where someone down the line is feeding top management some serious bullshit and then things derail. Gelsinger might've read a report about the 7nm health and recovery, but to what extent is this not a totally bogus report?

LemmingOverlordI think people should realise that there is a serious mis-reporting issue going on at Intel, where someone down the line is feeding top management some serious bullshit and then things derail. Gelsinger might've read a report about the 7nm health and recovery, but to what extent is this not a totally bogus report?

Well, Murthy was kicked to the curb, so they're probably getting reliable information again, fortunately.

I totally believe you, Intel :D

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You sure it's not Sunlake?

[URL='https://www.techpowerup.com/277579/intel-has-fixed-its-7-nm-node-but-outsourcing-is-still-going-to-happen']Intel Has Fixed its 7 nm Node[/URL]

Nope...

Setting up the new blood for delayed failure, but at least giving them time to fail.

Also very misleading title, Intel has NOT fixed their 7nm nde as if there were a power switch somewhere that someone forgot to turn on, its more of, they are promising to have their node operational if not profitable by 2023

Steevothey are promising to have their node operational if not profitable by 2023.

They are essentially the same thing, a process develops as it is scaled.

Isn't it strange that almost everybody can make 7nm for some time but Intel, well, everybody meaning Samsung and TSMC.
Maybe Intel wanted to buy back some shares and they couldn't do that at a reasonable price so they keept stalling with the " we can't make 7/10nm " and eventually or already bought some shares back.

LuminescentIsn't it strange that almost everybody can make 7nm for some time but Intel, well, everybody meaning Samsung and TSMC.
Maybe Intel wanted to buy back some shares and they couldn't do that at a reasonable price so they keept stalling with the " we can't make 7/10nm " and eventually or already bought some shares back.

It would be strange if 7nm meant the same for everyone. As it is, it's not strange at all.

That's why i said "we can't make 7/10nm", i know about the density and all that.
But it's strange they can't make anything close to what Samsung and TSMC makes, even if they lowered the density.
This could be just bull...it, biggest semiconductor company in the world stuck at the same node for 6 years, no progress in 6 years!

"Everything is fine"

LuminescentThat's why i said "we can't make 7/10nm", i know about the density and all that.
But it's strange they can't make anything close to what Samsung and TSMC makes, even if they lowered the density.
This could be just bull...it, biggest semiconductor company in the world stuck at the same node for 6 years, no progress in 6 years!

Intel 10nm is equivalent to TSMC 7nm and is much better than Samsung 8nm. Intel has been making 10nm for over a year now and and at this point I would bet that there are a lot more x86 Intel 10nm in people's possession than there are x86 TSMC 7nm (AMD). So no, they haven't been on the same node for 6 years.

Intel makes volume that at least right now, TSMC and Samsung can't match. If you're not aware, about half of TSMCs nodes are larger than 12nm while Samsung's 8nm is only 60% the density of Intel 10nm / TSMC 7nm.

Intel 7nm is expected to be not just equivalent to TSMC 5nm, but about 20% more dense. There are no AMD 5nm chips out and reportedly Apple has 80% of TSMCs 5nm capacity for 2021 booked up. That leaves 20% for *everyone else*.

AMD will have to compete for that 20% of 5nm capacity in 2021 with Broadcom, Qualcomm, and potentially Intel - among others I'm sure.

This effectively means you won't see an x86 5nm until 2022. It's actually quite likely that, outside of maybe a low volume paper launch, the first one to actually supply the x86 market with meaningful volume of 200MT/mm "Intel 7nm / TSMC 5nm" chips will be - Intel.

Edit: I should throw in, the real threat to Intel right now is probably Apple. I said x86 for a reason. Apple is clearly well supplied with 5nm M1 and A14. AMD is basically going to be getting scraps of what's left from TSMCs capacity on 5nm for at least another year, so regardless of their performance they most likely just won't have much product to sell. Based on Gelsinger's comments, he seems quite aware that Apple is the real threat.