Monday, April 10th 2023

Intel 14th Gen Core Lineup Confirmed to be Meteor Lake CPU Range

The Meteor Lake codename has been linked to the fourteenth generation of Intel's Core lineup for a while, following several significant leaks in 2022 and 2023. According to newly unearthed internal documentation and benchmark data, Intel has confirmed that the Meteor Lake family of CPUs will form its upcoming 14th Gen Core lineup - with laptop variations expected to arrive mid-2023 and heavily speculated desktop units in the fourth quarter, although a middle of the year refresh of Raptor Lake could push the entire Meteor Lake range's release window into 2024.

Meteor Lake is anticipated to be Intel's debuting of a "disaggregated" design - the most advanced laptop CPU variant features a top-of-the-line 6P+8E core configuration. Intel is solely responsible for fabrication of an IOE (I/O) tile (the company's own term for a chiplet) with PCIe 5.0 plus Thunderbolt 4, as well as an SoC tile. The GPU part of the design is rumored to be based on their own Arc Alchemist architecture, and TSMC has been contracted to manufacture this graphics tile - not a big surprise since Intel has also placed substantial manufacturing orders for discrete Arc cards with the Taiwanese foundry.
An internal document (published by Intel) was leaked on Twitter over the past weekend, and it lists hardware support for Intel Media SDK and oneVPL (Video Processing Library) GPU runtimes. On this chart the "Future: 14th Generation Intel Core" series is indicated as being part of the "MTL/Meteor Lake" category. "RPL/Raptor Lake" stays in the 13th Generation Intel Core lineup according to this information - industry insiders have speculated that a refresh of Raptor Lake would result in a jump into Intel's 14th generation.
Sources: momomo_us Tweet, Dell Inspiron 13 5330 Performance Results
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#26
Hxx
freeagentSo this is an LGA1700 part?

It will work on B660?

:rockout:
there are 2 series of chips discussed in this article. RL refresh coming out in Q3 will be on LGA 1700 and will presumably support b660 although nothing has been officially confirmed. Meteor Lake coming out next year will be on a brand new socket and chipset and will not be backwards compatible.
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#27
AusWolf
hs4That's not likely to happen. Rather, like Apple, more chips, such as memory, will be unified into the CPU package.
The latest bus standards have so much wiring that if the North Bridge were separated now, the PCB would not fit into the laptop chassis.
I know. I was only joking.
hs4The iGPUs up to the 13th gen are DG1 (Xe-LP) and Meteor lake is DG2 (Xe-LPG) based. mTL GT2 is basically Arc A370M with the tensor core (XMX) removed, and according to Techpowerup's GPU database, is twice as powerful as the 13 th gen iGPUs.

Intel Iris Xe Graphics 96EU Mobile
Pixel Rate: 33.60 GPixel/s
Texture Rate: 67.20 GTexel/s

Intel Arc A370M
Pixel Rate: 65.60 GPixel/s
Texture Rate: 131.2 GTexel/s
Ah, so by "Alchemist iGPU", they mean it's getting full RT and/or XMX support now? That's the only architectural difference between Alchemist and 11-12-13th gen Xe, as far as I know.
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#28
hs4
AusWolfI know. I was only joking.


Ah, so by "Alchemist iGPU", they mean it's getting full RT and/or XMX support now? That's the only architectural difference between Alchemist and 11-12-13th gen Xe, as far as I know.
There was a problem with my post. To clarify, the 14th gen iGPU (Xe-LPG) has RT and not XMX. The change from Intel7 to N5 is expected to improve the iso-power clock, and the separation of tiles will decouple it from the CPU's L3/ring bus system, resulting optimization on memory sharing.


The Xe version numbers are confusing.

The 11-12-13th gen iGPUs are:
Internal code DG1, Xe-LP, "0th gen ARC", dGPU is named Xe MAX.

The 14th gen iGPU is.
Internal code DG2, Xe-LPG, 1st gen ARC, dGPU is namedAlchemist.

The Lunar lake iGPU is:
Internal code DG3, Xe2-LPG, 2nd gen ARC, dGPU is named Battlemage.
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#29
AusWolf
hs4There was a problem with my post. To clarify, the 14th gen iGPU (Xe-LPG) has RT and not XMX. The change from Intel7 to N5 is expected to improve the iso-power clock, and the separation of tiles will decouple it from the CPU's L3/ring bus system, resulting optimization on memory sharing.


The Xe version numbers are confusing.

The 11-12-13th gen iGPUs are:
Internal code DG1, Xe-LP, "0th gen ARC", dGPU is named Xe MAX.

The 14th gen iGPU is.
Internal code DG2, Xe-LPG, 1st gen ARC, dGPU is namedAlchemist.

The Lunar lake iGPU is:
Internal code DG3, Xe2-LPG, 2nd gen ARC, dGPU is named Battlemage.
Apologies, my post might have been confusing as well. :ohwell:

What I mean is, I don't know about any architectural difference between Xe-LP and Xe-LPG apart from RT and XMX. The rest of the chip is a scaled-up version of Xe-LP, isn't it?
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#30
hs4
AusWolfApologies, my post might have been confusing as well. :ohwell:

What I mean is, I don't know about any architectural difference between Xe-LP and Xe-LPG apart from RT and XMX. The rest of the chip is a scaled-up version of Xe-LP, isn't it?
Yes. Theoretical Performance per clock per EU of DG1 and DG2 is exactly the same. The differences are following:

- Now supports RT.
- Unslice is updated, e.g. now it handles AV1 format.
- 1.5-2.0x performance is expected at the same power due to 1.3x EU count and higher clocks with the better node.
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#31
agent_x007
Dr. DroHaswell-E is 4th gen and Broadwell-E is 5th gen (despite the -5000 and -6000 nomenclature for these chips), and neither design has integrated graphics, which the media SDK seems to entirely rely upon. That's why only the mainstream desktop Core and Xeon E3 segments are serviced, they do have an iGPU.
Oh, so this isn't for Arc/Alchemist in general, but only for iGPUs ?
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#32
watzupken
SAINT ENZOThis sounds like its going to be great,
If i understand this correctly, its confirmed that 14th Gen intel processors will be Meteor Lake, 5nm/6nm process
11th gen intel was 14nm
12th gen intel was 10nm
This next generation finna be Fast AF Boii
As far as I recall, the replacement of Raptor Lake should be based on Intel 7nm, which is not to be confused with Intel 7 which is essentially Intel’s 10nm+++++. I actually lost track of the number of + behind. The first Intel 10nm product was actually the laptop only Cannon Lake, which was replaced by Ice Lake, and subsequently Tiger and Alder Lake.

To me, I am less optimistic about Meteor Lake because the way that Intel is limiting this only to laptop kind of sound similar to the failed Cannon and Ice Lake processors. It is mentioned that Meteor Lake is limited to mobile/ laptop. So if you are looking for a desktop version, then I think you may be disappointed. The other red flag is the regression in number of P-cores. Intel when releasing Alder and Raptor Lake is clearly aware that 8 P-cores is the sweet spot, and they can “fortify” their multithreaded performance through the spamming of E-cores. But yet the number of P-cores regressed. Perhaps they are trying to limit power draw for the mobile space, but considering existing Raptor Lake mobile processors are drawing record amount of power for a laptop, it is surprising why Intel will bother about dropping core count to “keep power in check”. Unless there is a real power or density crisis with their 7nm that is forcing them to take this design approach. It is all my speculation, but I think we will know soon.
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#33
Minus Infinity
R0H1TOr that MTL isn't coming to desktops, at least according to some rumors. TGL & first gen 7nm (don't remember the name) was never a desktop thing either so there's precedent in there.
It now appears ML for desktop will only be for i3 and i5. Arrow Lake will target i7 and i9, but that's 12-18 months away.
watzupkenAs far as I recall, the replacement of Raptor Lake should be based on Intel 7nm, which is not to be confused with Intel 7 which is essentially Intel’s 10nm+++++. I actually lost track of the number of + behind. The first Intel 10nm product was actually the laptop only Cannon Lake, which was replaced by Ice Lake, and subsequently Tiger and Alder Lake.
Yes ML is on Intel 4 which is their rebranded 7nm and Arrow Lake is on Intel 3, a more refined version of Intel 4.
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#34
hs4
watzupkenAs far as I recall, the replacement of Raptor Lake should be based on Intel 7nm, which is not to be confused with Intel 7 which is essentially Intel’s 10nm+++++. I actually lost track of the number of + behind. The first Intel 10nm product was actually the laptop only Cannon Lake, which was replaced by Ice Lake, and subsequently Tiger and Alder Lake.

To me, I am less optimistic about Meteor Lake because the way that Intel is limiting this only to laptop kind of sound similar to the failed Cannon and Ice Lake processors. It is mentioned that Meteor Lake is limited to mobile/ laptop. So if you are looking for a desktop version, then I think you may be disappointed. The other red flag is the regression in number of P-cores. Intel when releasing Alder and Raptor Lake is clearly aware that 8 P-cores is the sweet spot, and they can “fortify” their multithreaded performance through the spamming of E-cores. But yet the number of P-cores regressed. Perhaps they are trying to limit power draw for the mobile space, but considering existing Raptor Lake mobile processors are drawing record amount of power for a laptop, it is surprising why Intel will bother about dropping core count to “keep power in check”. Unless there is a real power or density crisis with their 7nm that is forcing them to take this design approach. It is all my speculation, but I think we will know soon.
When comparing the 4-core 1065G7 (Acer Swift 3⁑) and 1135G7 (Dell Inspiron 13⁑) at the same power consumption, the iso-power clock is improved by about 10%, and 17% higher performance including the IPC difference (7%).

Comparing the same 6-core 11400H⁑ (10nm Super Fin) and 12400⁂ (Intel 7), the iso-power clock is improved by about 10-15%, and including the IPC difference (18%), the latter has 30 % better performance.

Comparing 12900K⁂ and 13700K⁂ with the same 8P+8E configuration, the iso-power performance is improved by 10%.

Ice lake's 10nm and Raptor lake's Intel 7 have improved the iso-power clock by about 35%. It corresponds to the 1.5th generation progress (roughly equivalent to the performance difference between N7 and N4), considering that the iso-power clock improvement for an average node generation is around 20%. Strictly speaking, the initial 10nm was too unfinished.

⁑ notebook check
⁂Blog measuring current at EPS12V
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#35
AusWolf
hs4When comparing the 4-core 1065G7 (Acer Swift 3⁑) and 1135G7 (Dell Inspiron 13⁑) at the same power consumption, the iso-power clock is improved by about 10%, and 17% higher performance including the IPC difference (7%).

Comparing the same 6-core 11400H⁑ (10nm Super Fin) and 12400⁂ (Intel 7), the iso-power clock is improved by about 10-15%, and including the IPC difference (18%), the latter has 30 % better performance.

Comparing 12900K⁂ and 13700K⁂ with the same 8P+8E configuration, the iso-power performance is improved by 10%.

Ice lake's 10nm and Raptor lake's Intel 7 have improved the iso-power clock by about 35%. It corresponds to the 1.5th generation progress (roughly equivalent to the performance difference between N7 and N4), considering that the iso-power clock improvement for an average node generation is around 20%. Strictly speaking, the initial 10nm was too unfinished.

⁑ notebook check
⁂Blog measuring current at EPS12V
I love the way you include annotations in your post to indicate your sources. :toast:
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