Friday, July 26th 2024
Intel Will Not Recall Failing 13th and 14th Gen CPUs
It's official, Intel will not issue a recall for its failing 13th and 14th gen CPUs, despite the problem being much bigger than initially thought. The company was approached by The Verge and the answers to the questions asked, are not looking great. First of all, it appears that at least all 65 W or higher base power Intel 13th and 14th gen CPUs are affected—regardless of SKU and lettering—by the so-called elevated Voltage issue. To be clear, it doesn't mean all these CPUs will start to fail and Intel claims that its microcode update will solve the issue for CPUs that haven't shown any signs of stability issues. However, Intel is not promising that the microcode update will solve the stability issues of CPUs that are experiencing problems, but rather state that "It is possible the patch will provide some instability improvements", but it's asking those with stability issues to contact customer support. The patch is on the other hand expected to solve it for new CPUs, but that doesn't help those that are already experiencing stability issues.
Intel does appear to be swapping out degraded chips, but there's no guarantee that the replacement CPUs will come with the microcode update installed, as Intel is only starting to apply it to products that are currently being produced. The company has also asked all of its OEM partners to apply the update before shipping out new products, but this isn't likely to happen until sometime in early to mid-August according to Intel. It's also unclear when BIOS/UEFI updates will be available for end users from the motherboard manufacturers, since this is the only way to install the microcode update as a consumer. Intel has not gone on record to say if it'll extend the warranty of the affected products, nor did the company provide any details about what kind of information consumers have to provide to their customer support to be able to RMA a faulty CPU. Intel will not halt sales of the affected CPUs either, which means that if you're planning to or are in the middle of building a system using said CPUs, you might want to wait with using it, until a BIOS/UEFI with the microcode update in it, is available for your motherboard. There are more details over at The Verge for those that want to read the full questions and answers, but it's clear that Intel isn't considering the issue as anything more than a regular support issue at this point in time.
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The Verge
Intel does appear to be swapping out degraded chips, but there's no guarantee that the replacement CPUs will come with the microcode update installed, as Intel is only starting to apply it to products that are currently being produced. The company has also asked all of its OEM partners to apply the update before shipping out new products, but this isn't likely to happen until sometime in early to mid-August according to Intel. It's also unclear when BIOS/UEFI updates will be available for end users from the motherboard manufacturers, since this is the only way to install the microcode update as a consumer. Intel has not gone on record to say if it'll extend the warranty of the affected products, nor did the company provide any details about what kind of information consumers have to provide to their customer support to be able to RMA a faulty CPU. Intel will not halt sales of the affected CPUs either, which means that if you're planning to or are in the middle of building a system using said CPUs, you might want to wait with using it, until a BIOS/UEFI with the microcode update in it, is available for your motherboard. There are more details over at The Verge for those that want to read the full questions and answers, but it's clear that Intel isn't considering the issue as anything more than a regular support issue at this point in time.
270 Comments on Intel Will Not Recall Failing 13th and 14th Gen CPUs
I will NEVER trust any corporation over them. At least some of the bigger tech tubers. Obviously i cant speak for every smaller one.Imagine trusting Intel (of all corporations) over people who do this as a living and have their viewers, instead of sponsors and shareholders as income source.The contact frame is a solution to Intel's shoddy engineering. It offers real benefits in terms of temperatures. GN did not debunk it's usefulness but the implementation matters and not all contact frame options are created equal. I fail to see how mounting it in home conditions is difficult. People do far more complex stuff of delidding, using liquid metal etc and unless it's user error then it's mostly fine.
ESD risk these days sis pretty small unless the user literally puts the motherboard on a carpet or runs the system without a case.
Proper work mats and cases are cheap these days.Last year when Intel internally likely already knew that 13th gen were failing? maybe.
And it wont have AVX-512 because that's a workstation upsell feature now nor an useless NPU that no one has figured out a good use case yet.
This is at the Intel "performance" profile, which is the baseline 253W one for my KS processor.
Even ignoring degradation, power consumption and all that, in TPU's latest 8500G review the 7950X sits slightly above the 14900K in overall application performance. Most reviews point to the same, they're pretty equal depending on the applications. In games they're not substantially faster either, and i'm talking about the non X3D parts.
If a consumer CPU sees 6 hours of full load every day, it'll roughly degrade 4 times less quickly. So the server CPU's that are seeing degradation after 6 months would see the same degradation two years later. It hasn't been two years since these have been launched.I was talking about the 8500G review because that's the latest CPU review from TPU, obviously i'm not comparing 8500G to any of the high end CPU's. That's where the 7950X sits above 14900K in overall application performance so I was confused what CPU you were referring to that's substantially faster than the 7950X.
www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-14900ks/
AVX-512 makes it notably outperform Raptor Lake in advanced emulation and applications such as V-Ray
Overall it's a bad look if a CPU degrades the most with use. All silicon degrades with use and always has but not to this extent.
Normally the voltage has been the number one reason for degradation.
In all seriousness though, I wish both of them the best of luck with their new HW launches whether it's ARL or Z5X3D.
This Q4 will be an exciting one, for sure.
I have an original 12700K with AVX-512 stashed away. Even the 12600K outperformed it for A/V work and that 13600KF was in a totally different class of performance than either Alder Lake. At least the 12600K is good for 5.3GHz, the 12700K won't overclock at all. My 5.8-5.9GHz 14700K rig is stashed away for the moment until the chaos here subsides as is my 5.6GHz 13700K PC. At the moment I'm using my old Asus Sabertooth X79 with a 1680 V2 in it as my daily driver. 64GB of DDR3 2100 and running at 4.5GHz it's amazing at how well it works considering its age. It may not be as blistering fast as my Z690 & Z790 PC's but it's easy to cool and always works.
Sapphire Rapids I don't know, did not hear anything about it
www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/amd-zen-5-recall-caused-by-a-typo.325011/