Monday, January 6th 2025

AMD Debuts Radeon RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 Powered by RDNA 4, and FSR 4

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AMD at the 2025 International CES announced the Radeon RX 9070 XT and Radeon RX 9070 desktop performance-segment graphics cards. These will be the face of AMD's next generation of gaming graphics products, and will be powered by the new RDNA 4 graphics architecture. AMD hopes to launch both cards within Q1 2025. AMD changed the nomenclature of its gaming GPUs mainly because it has made a tactical retreat from the enthusiast graphics segment, its fastest products will compete in the performance segment. From the way AMD arranged the Radeon RX 9070 series and 9060 series product stack against the backdrop of the Radeon RX 7000 series, the GeForce RTX 4000 series, and the anticipated GeForce RTX 5000 series, the RX 9070 XT will offer performance roughly similar to the Radeon RX 7900 XT in raster, with the RX 9070 being slightly faster than the RX 7800 XT. The RX 9060 XT will beat the RX 7700 XT, while the RX 9060 beats the RX 7600 XT.

With RDNA 4, AMD claims generational SIMD performance increase on the RDNA 4 compute units. The 2nd Gen AI accelerators will boast of generational performance increase, and AMD will debut a locally-accelerated generative AI application down the line, called the AMD Adrenalin AI, which can generate images, summarize documents, and perform some linguistic/grammar tasks (rewriting), and serve as a chatbot for answering AMD-related queries. This is basically AMD's answer to NVIDIA Chat RTX. AMD's 3rd Gen Ray accelerator is expected to reduce the performance cost of ray tracing, by putting more of the ray tracing workload through dedicated hardware, offloading the SIMD engine. Lastly, AMD is expected to significantly upgrade the media acceleration and display I/O of its GPUs.

AMD also announced FidelityFX Super Resolution 4 (FSR 4), which has been developed for RDNA 4 (not sure if it will work on older generations of Radeon). It introduces a new machine learning (ML) based upscaling component to handle Super Resolution. This will be paired with Frame Generation, and an updated Anti-Lag 2, to make up the FSR 4 feature-set. Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 is confirmed to be one of the first titles to utilize FSR 4.

Nearly all AMD add-in board partners (AIBs) are ready with Radeon 9070 series graphics cards, including Acer, ASRock, ASUS, GIGABYTE, Sapphire, PowerColor, XFX, Vastarmor, and Yeston. MSI seems to have discontinued being an AMD AIB.

We also got our first peek at what the "Navi 48" GPU powering the Radeon RX 9070 series looks like—it features an unusual rectangular die with a 2:1 aspect ratio, which seems to lend plausibility to the popular theory that the "Navi 48" is two "Navi 44" dies joined at the hip with full cache-coherency. The GPU is rumored to feature a 256-bit GDDR6 memory interface, and 64 compute units (4,096 stream processors). The "Navi 44," on the other hand, is exactly half of this (128-bit GDDR6, 32 CU). AMD is building the "Navi 48" and "Navi 44" on the TSMC N4P (4 nm EUV) foundry node, on which it is building pretty much its entire current-generation, from mobile processors, to CPU chiplets.

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318 Comments on AMD Debuts Radeon RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 Powered by RDNA 4, and FSR 4

#151

Dr. Dro

Neo_MorpheusAt this point it's clear, being pro consumer is not paying off for AMD, even in the form of positive mindshare.

They were never pro-consumer. They were always favorable to their own interests and nothing more.

#152

Hecate91

Neo_MorpheusYet it was ok when dlss 3.whatever required a 40 series.

At this point it's clear, being pro consumer is not paying off for AMD, even in the form of positive mindshare.

The reactions are as expected, its fine when Nvidia does it, but when AMD does it they're anti-consumer.

Marcus Ljust seems like both care less about the bread and butter that created their brands which is PC gamers and dGPU's :rolleyes:

More so Nvidia than AMD, Nvidia has the profits and marketshare to sell both to consumers and business for AI. Nvidia got to where they are off the backs of gamers, yet has mostly ignored their gamer customers unless they pay up for an xx90 card. I think it's understandable AMD wants to target consoles and APU's over dGPU, especially when everyone buys Nvidia regardless of AMD pricing their dGPU's lower.

#153

Dr. Dro

Hecate91The reactions are as expected, its fine when Nvidia does it, but when AMD does it they're anti-consumer.

More so Nvidia than AMD, Nvidia has the profits and marketshare to sell both to consumers and business for AI. I think it's understandable AMD wants to target consoles and APU's over dGPU, especially when everyone buys Nvidia regardless of AMD pricing their dGPU's lower.

Don't spin this around, if it's anti-consumer when Nvidia does it, warranting years of rhetoric and scorn, it's anti-consumer when AMD does it. Where is all the outrage of AMD going back on their word and "betraying the trust of the loyal Radeon customer"? It's simple, really, it's pure hypocrisy. You people never once cared for it being closed source software, you only ever cared that it was better and you couldn't use it.

#154

oxrufiioxo

Dr. DroThey were never pro-consumer. They were always favorable to their own interests and nothing more.

idk the 4870 felt pro consumer at the time and the 7970 with 50% more vram than it's direct competitor felt pretty nice. Even Nvidia use to be more pro consumer when thier 70 class would either match or beat the previous flagship.

The difference is neither of them actually care about us they definitely aren't our friends but that doesn't mean they haven't done pro consumer things... Ryzen was pretty pro consumer for a while....

#155

Visible Noise

igormpThis post by Ian Cutress was a bit insightful, and made it clear that AMD is indeed waiting for Nvidia to reveal their pricing so that they can properly position their stack:
morethanmoore.substack.com/p/where-was-rdna4-at-amds-keynote

It's not like a company owns any favors to customers, but rather they'll just follow the money.

Michael from TechPowerUp asked about the top priorities for RDNA4 were. David gave a top 3:
Improving performance in the areas that gamers care about most - ray tracing, ML Ops for FSR4 and ML Super Resolution

But….But…. Nobody cares about those. I read it here in every article about video cards.

/s

#156

Dr. Dro

oxrufiioxoidk the 4870 felt pro consumer at the time and the 7970 with 50% more vram than it's direct competitor felt pretty nice. Even Nvidia use to be more pro consumer when thier 70 class would either match or beat the previous flagship.

The difference is neither of them actually care about us they definitely aren't our friends but that doesn't mean they haven't done pro consumer things... Ryzen was pretty pro consumer for a while....

Those cards were just under the heat of competition. And they had their merits which made them successful products.

And the CPU question... yes, for a while, until Intel chips lost momentum and they started charging $300 for a 6 core Ryzen 5. Then the 12400F happened and suddenly even motherboards that had "technical limitations" supported it all right quick alongside a nice price cut.

#157

Neo_Morpheus

Dr. DroThey were never pro-consumer. They were always favorable to their own interests and nothing more.

Regardless of who gets the benefit, I will choose FSR over DLSS because it supports all GPUs and that's just one sample that it's conveniently ignored.

#158

Hecate91

Dr. DroDon't spin this around, if it's anti-consumer when Nvidia does it, warranting years of rhetoric and scorn, it's anti-consumer when AMD does it. Where is all the outrage of AMD going back on their word and "betraying the trust of the loyal Radeon customer"? It's simple, really, it's pure hypocrisy. You people never once cared for it being closed source software, you only ever cared that it was better and you couldn't use it.

I'm not spinning anything, just stating the facts of how people, including yourself, are reacting to a feature only being on the latest card. I'm not going to judge anything before these cards launch and will wait and see what FSR4 is before being negative about it. But I'm sure the media will crap on it while continuing to insist DLSS is better while showing 10X zoomed still images. However I really couldn't care less about some AI whatever bullshit upscaling, I don't use or care about any version of upscaling.
The majority of consumers and reviewers aren't reacting with scorn or disdain, but instead hype up features and criticize the competition for not somehow supporting a proprietary feature.
I cared about the software being closed source and voted with my wallet.

#159

oxrufiioxo

Hecate91I'm not spinning anything, just stating the facts of how people, including yourself, are reacting to a feature only being on the latest card. I'm not going to judge anything before these cards launch and will wait and see what FSR4 is before being negative about it. But I'm sure the media will crap on it while continuing to insist DLSS is better while showing 10X zoomed still images. However I really couldn't care less about some AI whatever bullshit upscaling, I don't use or care about any version of upscaling.
The majority of consumers and reviewers aren't reacting with scorn or disdain, but instead hype up features and criticize the competition for not somehow supporting a proprietary feature.
I cared about the software being closed source and voted with my wallet.

I think if this improves to the point that it's equal or better than DLSS they'll be fine but if it still sucks especially at 1440p and below while needing dedicated hardware they'll have some problems... The PS5 pro implementation has been pretty mixed so far even being worse than FSR at times so only time will tell.

#160

Dr. Dro

oxrufiioxoI think if this improves to the point that it's equal or better than DLSS they'll be fine but if it still sucks especially at 1440p and below while needing dedicated hardware they'll have some problems... The PS5 pro implementation has been pretty mixed so far even being worse than FSR at times so only time will tell.

My thoughts exactly. I'm not offended by them closing it, in fact I wish them the best with improving their products. That has always been the case.

#161

Marcus L

oxrufiioxoI think if this improves to the point that it's equal or better than DLSS they'll be fine but if it still sucks especially at 1440p and below while needing dedicated hardware they'll have some problems... The PS5 pro implementation has been pretty mixed so far even being worse than FSR at times so only time will tell.

Who is using DLSS/FSR at 1440p or BELOW? you should not have to use upscaling at 1080p/1440p (debatable) if you need to then you are using a budget/entry range GPU 4060/7600 and should be tuning the game settings accordingly, thinking you can run Ultra settings in 2024+ games with a entry level GPU is wishful thinking, this is why they should do different performance options in games when benchmarking GPU's, if I buy the bottom of the rung GPU from AMD/NV I am not going to think I can run the latest 2024/UE5 titles at ultra presets which brings even the best high end GPU's to their knees

#162

oxrufiioxo

Dr. DroMy thoughts exactly. I'm not offended by them closing it, in fact I wish them the best with improving their products. That has always been the case.

Yeah I just hope they continue to improve FSR upscaling on RDNA3 and older or at least trying to.... 20 series has gotten updates to the upscaling portion of DLSS for 6 years now.....

Marcus LWho is using DLSS/FSR at 1440p or BELOW? you should not have to use upscaling at 1080p/1440p (debatable) if you need to then you are using a budget/entry range GPU 4060/7600

If i could only afford a 4070/7800XT how I game I would need it at 1080p...

Blanket statements are never a good thing everyone games differently.

#163

RedelZaVedno

There is just no comparison. DLSS, especially 3.8, is way better than FSR3. I play a lot of flat games in VR via Praydog's UEVR injector. I mostly play at 3160x3160p*2 resolution so upscaling is a must on my poor 4070TIS and DLSS hands down beats FSR every time if it's implemented as intended (not like EA/Codemasters' incompetent devs implement it). While DLSS has some artefacting but is generaly acceptable tradeoff in quality mode, FSR looks like shit no matter the settings. But I'd love to see FSR4 offer the same quality so we'd have more options.

#164

AusWolf

OnasiI wouldn’t say that this can be used as an indictment, really, that I usually see it used as. The “people” want GPUs to be cheaper. It’s an understandable want. They also see AMD as a second place player, a distant second at that, which is objectively true. As such, they of course make the observation that, theoretically, if AMD wants to be competitive they would need a similar product to NV, but priced lower since they don’t have the luxury of a market leader premium. Not saying it’s a good approach these “people” are taking, but it’s a mostly logical one. So yes, the DO indeed want Radeon to be a cheaper NV GPU. I mean, of course they do. What else can or should they be, waffle makers?

No, it's not logical. A GPU costs so much to make and offers so much performance. Why should it be cheaper than the competing product?

#165

Marcus L

The expectation is to buy a low tier GPU and run the latest 2024/5 games at ultra settings, I mean how fucking entitled have people become to think this should be a right? you buy a low tier GPU and you run games at med settings, it's not rocket science

Oh you have a low end GPU and a high end 1440p/4K monitor and you're upset you can't run games at ultra preset, it's quite frankly retarded

#166

freeagent

Neo_MorpheusAssuming that's honest, then you are a minority

So negative.

#167

Neo_Morpheus

freeagentSo negative.

Realistic and honest, there's a difference. ;)

#168

Scattergrunt

freeagentYeah.. I know how you feel. The day we lost ATi to AMD.

I'm not a AMD fan personally (I wouldn't call myself a fan of anything, besides competition), but I do enjoy my underdogs. This is my WWF / WWE of the modern day. Mankind vs The Undertaker.

Neo_MorpheusRealistic and honest, there's a difference. ;)

Don't get lost in the sauce there..

#169

freeagent

Scattergrunt'm not a AMD fan personally (I wouldn't call myself a fan of anything, besides competition), but I do enjoy my underdogs. This is my WWF / WWE of the modern day. Mankind vs The Undertaker.

I have no problem running AMD hardware, have been on and off for 23 years :)

Just like I would have no problem running Intel hardware.

I think ATi was in trouble anyways, just like AMD was, so they saved each other.

#170

SMH777

but was it really though?

two reasons for this:
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1. They didn't want to get mogged by Nvidia immediately
2. They are playing chicken with Nvidia when it comes to the pricing of their GPUs

If you wanna be really biased you could say something like,

"At the last minute it finally dawned on AMD that (Nvidia - 10%) was probably not the best way to announce the pricing on their GPUs.

#171

Scattergrunt

freeagentI have no problem running AMD hardware, have been on and off for 23 years :)

Just like I would have no problem running Intel hardware.

Certainly agreed. My hardware choice just comes down to price and what I like in features. Mostly price.

#172

Onasi

AusWolfNo, it's not logical. A GPU costs so much to make and offers so much performance. Why should it be cheaper than the competing product?

Again, perception matters and for majority it makes no sense for a “second rate” player to ask for the same price point as the leader. I agree it might not be “fair” and whatever, but this IS the majority perception. You say it’s not logical, but for them - it is. And it’s absolutely showing in Radeons ever dwindling market share. Getting outraged on behalf of AMD does not help them, unfortunately.

#173

freeagent

ScattergruntCertainly agreed. My hardware choice just comes down to price and what I like in features. Mostly price.

A few guys here helped me piece together the original bones of this system, coming from Z77 I had no idea, and it looked like 10th gen sucked, 11th gen was still a year away I think. Its been good to me.

AusWolfA GPU costs so much to make and offers so much performance.

Does it though? If you have the infrastructure laid, supply chain at the ready, they really don't cost much. Heck sell X amount and it pays for the hardware that built it, for the guys on the software end, and with a little profit on top, or a lot of profit depending on how efficient your operation is..

#174

TheinsanegamerN

80-watt HamsterI'll admit to not taking full inventory of to whom my comment applied, but you I believe. What galls me (an owner of multiple cards from both camps, plus an ARC card) is the amount of negativity every AMD launch article generates. It's like 80%* of commenters want them to fail.

*Hyperbole, don't @ me

I think most of that comes from a consistent decade of coming up short. In the last decade, there was precisely once AMD was competitive, and that was the RX 6000s. The last time that was true was 2013 with the 290x.

We always hear about all the "improvements" that AMD is making yet they never seem to pan out, and people get fed up with an underdog that doesnt seem to ever get ahead. Even the Cubs managed to win the world cup a few times.

Hecate91High end buyers are going to buy from Nvidia anyway, why waste R&D on cards the media and everyone will just bash on?

AMD could have all the confidence in a presentation, doesn't mean s%^& if people will just go "eww it doesn't compete with nvidia it doesn't have DLSS hard pass AMD is dead".
I think AMD needs to keep quiet about their GPU's especially if they have something competitive, they can't win a price war against Nvidia.

As opposed to AMD with significant discounts losing money and still in a distant second place. The only reason a majority of people in this thread want AMD to compete is so they can hope Nvidia cards will be cheaper, but they won't be.

Have a source for this?

Hey look it's another one. RX 6800xt/6900XT/7900XT/X cards were impossible to get for months after launch. Surely that wasnt because they didnt make any, right?

freeagentKeep telling yourself that.

I want AMD to compete so I don't have to keep spending on Nvidia.

Try not to sound so defeated. AMD is doing ok, they are pulling their balls together.

Right now its David vs Goliath, and Dave's socially awkward, mildly autistic cousin Irwin.

I want david to get that slingshot round off but he's gotta actually load it first.

#175

AusWolf

OnasiAgain, perception matters and for majority it makes no sense for a “second rate” player to ask for the same price point as the leader. I agree it might not be “fair” and whatever, but this IS the majority perception. You say it’s not logical, but for them - it is. And it’s absolutely showing in Radeons ever dwindling market share. Getting outraged on behalf of AMD does not help them, unfortunately.

It is not logical, period. If a GPU can do 100 FPS, and another one also does 100 FPS, then there is no reason for them to be priced differently. You don't pay for "second or first rate players", you pay for a product.

Some people say jumping off a bridge is logical if your life sucks. Would you say yeah, it's logical for them? No. It is not logical.

Edit: With that logic, Intel's B580 should cost $100.

freeagentDoes it though? If you have the infrastructure laid, supply chain at the ready, they really don't cost much. Heck sell X amount and it pays for the hardware that built it, for the guys on the software end, and with a little profit on top, or a lot of profit depending on how efficient your operation is..

That's the same for the whole industry, not just for one company.

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